Not to mention both have received the stimulus while their mother who is a teacher has not! Oh and the great thing at allows them to go to Hawaii because get this they have worked hard this year!
Not to mention both have received the stimulus while their mother who is a teacher has not! Oh and the great thing at allows them to go to Hawaii because get this they have worked hard this year!
So it’s easy to kick us hard working Republicans in the balls because we do not believe our hard earned money should be taxes to death and handed out to those that choose to make excuse after excuse for not working while they continue to destroy the foundation of what makes America Great HARD WORK!!!!!
From a strategic/messaging standpoint, what Trump is doing is not going to help. That is my overall point.
~Puma~
I totally agree, be a man and move on but we all know that is not in his DNA.
I am also trying to say it’s not all political.
Elections are bought and paid for.
It certainly isn’t strategic, it’s his bruised ego rearing it’s head.
Originally Posted by ukpumacat
Catman,
You have my sympathy. No wonder you have your political views. I can't defend and would not want to try based on what you described.
Fwiw, just saw a tweet by a Republican strategist: “Thanks Donald Trump”.
He was being sarcastic. Like I predicted a bit back, this is going to be a Dem Senate.
As a Dem, I have mixed feelings about that (think it will hurt in 2022). But, I’m for anything where voters reject the nonsense happening in DC right now.
Is it your daughter? If not I don’t feel sorry for you anymore lol. Lots of 50 year olds would love to live with under 25’s!
Go Cats!
Stepdaughter makes it worse, not very nice.
Puma, this I could have told you. the GOP is dead as of today. At least the GOP of old. It may go on but it will be a populism party, not a global market party. If not, there will be a large new party formed. That is my predictions. The typical R's will all be primaried.
Two VERY pro Trump candidates just lost in Georgia yesterday. And against two candidates that are not moderates. Georgia.
It will not take long before whatever the Republican Party becomes realizes MAGA candidates cannot win in these states.
~Puma~
Very good point. Wonder if that would have happened without a mail in vote process (just leave the regular absentee ballot process in place)? Who knows. We will never know.
I find it extremely interesting that the last time a runoff happened in GA only 2.7MM votes were cast. This time about 5 MM.
That the last election there was a 6.5% rejection rate of the actual absentee ballots that have a chain of control process but yet only a .007 rejection rate this time. That of 19 bell weather counties in GA, 18 went to Trump by a larger margin this time around than the last time.
Too many statistical anomolies in this election overall. Has to be explained.
Honestly, that is all I am asking for. Explain the anomolies. IF they can be explained, I think a lot of people like me will accept. But until that, Biden is not POTUS.
Cruz presented a very good option. I can live aith an Electoral Commission to look at the data and evidence and make a call. 5 from the house, 5 from the Senate, and 5 SCOTUS. They have 13 days to finish.
There was no hope of that committee happening before. And there is zero chance of that happening now. Biden will be our President (whether one calls him their own or not).
And the Republican Georgia Election officer tore those false accusation apart one by one yesterday in a video.
~Puma~
You are probably correct...but it would solve a lot of this. If they do not, buckel up, the next 4 years are going to be very violent.
I don't know what will happen. I can tell you that Trump's words and influence will have less and less power over time. Any violence will be shut down immediately (as it should with anyone). And conservatives/Republicans/MAGA will lose less and less power if that happens.
~Puma~
What happened in Washington and Oregon states? I seem to remember a lot of violent acts that were ignored by the local authorities.Any violence will be shut down immediately (as it should with anyone)
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seeya
dan
I'm just one stomach flu away from my goal weight.
If it was it shouldn't be. Ever.
~Puma~
The Trump shower has begun:
I just spoke with Vice President Pence. He is a genuinely fine and decent man. He exhibited courage today as he did at the Capitol on 9/11 as a Congressman. I am proud to serve with him.
Robert Obrien
~Puma~
Winners from the Republican Party today: every one of them that called Trump out before this.
Sasse is at the top of that list. Republicans would be lucky to choose him as their 2024 nominee (he won’t get my vote, just mean he would be a tough out)
His statement is strong:
https://twitter.com/sensasse/status/...206025730?s=21
I was posting about this a bit in the other thread but am curious what some of your thoughts are on how Republicans move forward.
Here is the heart of the issue after last week:
- Trump lost the election because he lost the suburbs. He ran behind many many Republicans on the same ballots in these specific areas.
- The events of last week were EXACTLY why he lost the suburbs. The rhetoric, division, buffoonery (Chuck's word), etc.
- After last week, any candidate that supports Trump or who is viewed as complicit will never get those suburbs back.
BUT...
- Trump brought out more voters for his party than any in history. He carried many to seats.
- Trump's supporters ARE the Republican base now. Most Republicans cannot win without them.
So, how do you make these two things work on a National level and in purple states?
Yes, this is not an issue in many local elections and in red states. But, Republicans already HAVE those seats.
To win back the Senate or House or Presidency, they have to compete in purple states for purple seats. How do they do this if Non-Trump Republicans can't get out of the primary and pro-Trump Republicans can never win in the general because of the suburbs?
~Puma~
I'm not sure they do, at least not until they can piece back together a viable coalition. With Trump allies in leadership at the RNC that might take awhile. Eventually they'll realize they need to change tactics but the Democrats probably keep the White House for the next 16 years unless they start fighting themselves.
changing my signature to change our luck.
Which is possible Because deep down, like a majority of Republicans who actually don’t like trump just the policies, the same can be said for Democrats and AOC
In sports, it’s really hard to repeat. One of the main reasons is because when you are struggling for that first title, you put away all selfish motives and do whatever it takes to get the team to win. You buy in.
Dems did that to defeat Trump.
Whether they keep doing that remains to be seen.
There has always been factions in both parties. That is the nature of a two party system.
Dems have been able to stay United because they have true party leadership in Clinton, Obama and now Biden. Almost all Dems respect them even if they don’t agree with them.
On the Republican side, they will need to do the same. They will need to get sick of losing before they are willing to put away party divisions and do what it takes to win.
But right now, they have no party leader. Trump is the closest thing but 25% or more of the party will never listen to him again (or anyone that helped him). That won’t get it done.
And Republicans are losing the popular vote by more every year and more states are becoming purple every election.
Now, does that mean they are done? No. Of course not.
Their anti-socialism message worked. And it can still work. In fact, their messaging has been demonstratively better than Dems.
If they can get past this Trump nonsense and truly coalesce around that, they could quickly start winning back some of those people.
A low tax, small government socially liberal platform is a winning platform (that isn’t my platform...just saying it’s a winning one).
But Trump has completely mucked that up. As Ben Sasse said a while back “he has coddled white supremacists” and spent worse than Obama.
If they get there, they can def win. But I’m not sure how they get there.
1. Condemn Wednesday’s insurrection.
2. Acknowledge that they’ve been lying about voter fraud and a “stolen” election.
3. Apologize for lying.
4. Stop attacking our democracy.
5. Congratulate Joe Biden.
If they could do these five things they could put out a viable candidate in four years but they’re going to have to reel back in the monster they’ve created. I don’t think there’s a chance in hell they’ll actually do it however.
changing my signature to change our luck.
This is just a reminder what Ben Sasse said about Trump before the election (and obviously before last week's insurgence on the Capitol):
"If young people become permanent Democrats because they've just been repulsed by the obsessive nature of our politics, or if women who were willing to still vote with the Republican Party in 2016 decide that they need to turn away from this party permanently in the future, the debate is not going to be, you know, 'Ben Sasse, why were you so mean to Donald Trump?' " he said. "It's going to be 'What the heck were any of us thinking that selling a TV-obsessed narcissistic individual to the American people was a good idea?' It is not a good idea."
~Puma~
Even the core MAGA supporters are having a hard time presenting a united front, as they can’t decide whether they’re proud patriots or if some bogeyman like antifa was responsible for what happened Wednesday. It’s going to be awhile before they start beating Democrats again.
changing my signature to change our luck.
All 50 capitals are having to prepare for ARMED riots..Its Civil War.. only Trump can throw out the first peace sign
Trump decided long ago that good or bad, he won’t be forgotten.
changing my signature to change our luck.
I said something very similar to this elsewhere.
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