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10-05-2020, 12:48 PM #61
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China now has a huge financial piece of the US pie.
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10-05-2020, 01:31 PM #62
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Yes, Trump tends to like different opinions on his staff, and I do think that's part of the conflict.
And in foreign policy Trump wants to extract the US from these endless conflicts, and a lot of military and DC people don't like that idea, even though Trump is pro military. Bolton is a great example. I'm sure he was livid the US didn't retaliate for the oil field strikes.
There are a lot of different opinions in the White House, and they all use the media to try to manipulate things to their view.
Some of Trump is "loose cannon", but yes some of it is just not bending his knee to the establishment and their way of thinking.
I'm sure he's an ass to work for, but I respect that he campaigned on things like reducing US troop levels in these theaters and getting allies to pay more of the costs, and he's done that in multiple areas. The problem for him hiring in the foreign policy area is that most conservatives these days who would work for a GOP administration are neo-cons, and Trump is closer to Rand Paul than he is any typical Republican on foreign policy.
He's an ass, and his style is abrasive, combative, and internally competitive, which is everything insider Washington is not, but he's actually done OK with it. I think he would do better to tone it all down, but, as Dan pointed out, I know he's not taking 10s of millions from foreign nations like the Clintons and I know he hasn't sold out to the Chinese.
We're facing a deeply serious foreign threat in China, who is attacking us on every front including internally. There is absolutely no reason to think Biden will take that threat seriously or do anything about it, and a number of reasons to think he will completely capitulate.People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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10-05-2020, 01:38 PM #63
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And they're stunningly insidious. They are even funding groups to approach state level governments, local governments, city councils. It sounds insane, and it is, but they are still doing it.
They're deeply involved in spying in every area of technology and research in this country, but we now know they are funding BLM projects, etc.People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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10-06-2020, 08:48 PM #64
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By loose cannon I’m referring to him tweeting major decisions before he tells his staff and then everyone clamoring to cover the situation, or quitting because they can’t justify such a decision. And these seem like high ranking well respected individuals that he personally chose because they were such, over and over again. I guess that’s what I don’t understand.
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10-06-2020, 09:08 PM #65
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It's very much his style.
I'm not endorsing it, but some managers do like a very competitive style. It's not my style, but it can be effective.
IMO a LOT of what is in the books are from people in the administration who lost on their position. Trump has had a number of neo-cons in the foreign policy area, and he's not a neo-con. So he goes a different direction and they use the media, both before and after the decision, to try to sway things.
That's a tried and true Washington practice.
It doesn't mean Trump isn't impulsive, and often ignores his staff, but I think that has to be tempered somewhat in that everyone in Washington has an agenda.
I get that the style is not washington, it's "The Apprentice", but in the end in 4 years he has yet to take a policy position that is truly damaging, or anything out of bounds of what you would get in a lot of normal processes.
And I think a lot of his excess is intentional. Much as Reagan created an aura of a man who was willing to go much father in US response, playing the Cowboy, I think Trump's use of the "madman" in foreign policy can be effective.
It pays to have your enemies worry about you.
Now, i think Trump is that way whether it's wise or not, I don't think he can help it, but the net effect hasn't been negative IMO, even if it is disturbing.
I'd never work for the guy, it must be ugly in there every day, but he clearly likes it that way and wants it that way. After 4 years of predicting WWIII we're actually fine and in some ways better. Hard to believe, but so far so good, as long as you aren't working there, lol.People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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10-06-2020, 09:32 PM #66
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Makes sense I suppose. So explain to me the negatives about Biden and voting democrat. Do we really think he will make our country socialist? That seems to be an overreaction assuming we won’t turn around and vote the other way in four years which I think would happen. Is he really senile or is it a result of a childhood stutter and being older? I don’t really think his son funneling money is a big deal considering that’s why almost everyone goes to Washington and I’d be disappoint if trump wasnt benefitting more greatly than anyone in dirty ways. Do we think the dems will reform police to the point we lose control really? Honestly my biggest worry with them has always been that we would be owned by China and others in short order if we let them run the show, and trumps trade policy has been one of the few things I really have loved that he has done. I’ve made more money with trump I suppose but don’t think I’m benefitting from taxes that’s seems to be business owners and large corp? I really hate the fake racism call that’s out there, but then I see some awful things happening and question whether things are worse maybe because trump is inciting it with his talk or lack of compassion. He obviously doesn’t care much for black folks, regardless of what he’s done for them or not. All of this said it’s all just one persons observation and I’m the guy that they talk about who is in the middle and not real certain how to vote I suppose. I’m a conservative guy I suppose, I don’t like the liberal agenda, and I also think trump is awful for our country as a whole. I hate the idea of voting on fear of what the other party may do, whether it’s trump and his crazy or joe and his socialism. I did feel certain Hillary was going to take us down a path with no return, maybe I’m hear to see if you can convince me joe or dems will do the same this time.
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10-06-2020, 09:51 PM #67
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Just a small suggestion go listen to Candice Owens and she will tell you that the Democrats are the truly racist ones and that trump has done more for the blacks.
She has a great pod cast.
I honestly do think that the Democrats will drive towards a socialist government as they like the control it gives them over the mindless.
Health care for everyone? Who will fund that? Means higher taxes.
Portland, chicago, Seattle what do they have in common? Major riots and run by Democrats.
Minneapolis run by Democrats have already started to defund the police.
Do some research on Omar who is a Democrat who married her brother to keep him in the US.
Opening the boarders back up allowing anyone to come on in the US that is very taxing and overpopulating. Who pays for them we do with higher taxes.
Harris has stated she will force the gun buy back program which is really Democrats forcing Americans to give up their weapons.
She has also stated there will be health care for everyone, meaning higher taxes.
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10-07-2020, 10:31 AM #68
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If you have concerns over China, then you don’t want Biden near the White House. China now owns Biden and his family, and will leverage their financial interest in the Bidens.
Biden is a puppet for the far left. That was the trade off in getting the extremists to suddenly bow out of the race. Bernie and AOC are touting what they will do if the get Biden elected.
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10-07-2020, 10:35 AM #69
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It’s not just Candace Owens. Leo Terrell flipped to the GOP over racism on the left. Gianno Caldwell Now touts the GOP as actually helping blacks, while the Dems take them for granted. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9cCYRUaSH8
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10-07-2020, 11:50 AM #70
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I suppose the real tally on the "thoughts on the debate" are America's to make. Rasmussen (the very friendly Trump poll) has Biden +12 now. In this same poll, he has gone from +1 to +8 to +12. And the +12 includes his Covid/hospital/leaving debacle. I don't think any of us think Biden is going to win by +12 but Trump's numbers are simply sinking right now. And everything he is doing is making it worse. His numbers started falling with the Supreme Court situation and have gotten worse daily since.
P.S. These numbers do not include yesterday's "pulling out of negotiations on the Covid bill" (and an immediate Stock Market dive).
https://www.rasmussenreports.com/pub...se_watch_oct07Last edited by ukpumacat; 10-07-2020 at 11:53 AM.
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10-07-2020, 12:45 PM #71
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This issue with the covid relief bill is what have the Democrats throw in the 2.4 trillion and where will that money come from.
How is it actually broken down? I think knowing that would shock everyone.
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10-07-2020, 12:53 PM #72
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The rich...who apparently do not pay their fair share.
Biden claims only those making over $400,000 would see a tax increase, yet he is on record saying day 1 he will get rid of Trump's tax cuts. See the left does not see removing tax cuts as increasing taxes. Trumps tax cuts reduced the taxes, including those under $400K. But the semantics is, the word game played is that he isn't "raising taxes"....just removing the tax cuts.
Democrats love to point to the increasing debt yet want to spend, spend, spend. Not any different that the GOP did under Obama. Both sides need to QUIT SPENDING OTHER PEOPLES MONEY because its NOT THEIR money to spend.Aging is an extraordinary process where you become the person you always should have been.--David Bowie.
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10-07-2020, 03:59 PM #73
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Investors got over the “yesterday’s pulling out of negotiations” pretty quickly. Market rallied today Dow+ 530, S&P +58
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10-07-2020, 04:09 PM #74
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10-07-2020, 04:14 PM #75
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"I have touched all the so-called capitals of basketball, but when it gets down to the short stroke, the only true capital of basketball is in Lexington." AL McGuire
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10-07-2020, 05:43 PM #76
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I honestly believe the Young Democrats would believe anything you tell them they are so mindless and lacking common sense in a major way!
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10-07-2020, 05:52 PM #77
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The True great America is slowing being destroyed by the Democrats.
It’s really sad!
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10-08-2020, 10:45 AM #78
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During his daily Covid briefings, Andy was begging the Washington crowd to get on with passage of the bill that will save Kentuckians. He is avoiding saying that the passage needs to be Pelosi's version so it will put money into KY's depleted bank account. He attacked the Senate yesterday for not being part of the negations, but he stayed away from mentioning Mitch in his comments. He is aware of where the real power in KY's government comes from.
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10-08-2020, 11:04 AM #79
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Beshear is an idiot, and likely a one term idiot. Kentucky would be unlikely to get any funds from the Pelosi slush fund. Kentucky ranks 23rd in state debt, there are cities with more debt than our state has. With a single statewide office being held by a Democrat it is even more unlikely Pelosi would earmark funds for this state.
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10-08-2020, 11:25 AM #80
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Why don’t they break down where these funds will go?
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10-08-2020, 11:30 AM #81
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I am sure Americans would be shocked at where this 2-3 trillion will be distributed by the Democrats.
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10-08-2020, 03:55 PM #82
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The sticking point is Democrats calling for a "broader, comprehensive plan they are proposing for virus testing, tracing and other actions to stop its spread. They have scaled back a $3 trillion measure to a $2.2 trillion proposal. The White House presented a $1.6 trillion counter"
That "Pelosi slush fund" is not really a thing. Or it could be dealt with easy enough.
As for that, as well as how the White House is handling the virus, republicans (even Mitch himself) are urging continued negotiations, and are put out by this administration. All but the few who oppose spending any stimulus money whatsoever. (And I can appreciate them sticking by their guns)
Mitch McConnell said Thursday that he had stopped going to the White House two months ago because he disagreed with its coronavirus protocols. His last visit was Aug. 6.
"My impression was their approach to how to handle this was different from mine and what I insisted we do in the Senate, which is to wear a mask and practice social distancing,”
I'm sorry but the critique here is terribly misplaced and political imho.
Stimulus package distribution oversight is handled in a bipartisan manor by an appointee.
And you can personally view how the money has been spent rather than spout off generalized accusations. I'm sure there are instances that deserve some scrutiny...we should review those in particular however.
By the way, the city of Radcliff (my hometown) received $1.65 million from the CARES Act to offset it's COVID-19 costs.Last edited by kingcat; 10-08-2020 at 04:24 PM.
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“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
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10-08-2020, 04:28 PM #83
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Have you researched where the CARES ACT funds went? There likely wont be a hairs difference except in pandemic management.
Like I just said, the city of Radcliff (my hometown) received $1.65 million from the CARES Act to offset it's COVID-19 costs. And they will be held accountable locally for how it is spent.
How much did everyone's hometown receive?Last edited by kingcat; 10-08-2020 at 04:36 PM.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
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10-08-2020, 04:49 PM #84
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10-08-2020, 04:53 PM #85
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True. Especially money set aside for grants and such.
Here's a good page to view for those interested in how things stand with CARES ACT expenditures and such..
https://www.usaspending.gov/disaster/covid-19
And here is a site where we can actually track the money...called strangely enough "Track the Money"
That way we can discuss the particular issues each has with how the money is spent.
https://www.pandemicoversight.gov/track-the-moneyLast edited by kingcat; 10-08-2020 at 05:14 PM.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
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10-08-2020, 05:47 PM #86
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For Zip 40229
Transparent as Hell...
Other than a loan for American College of Barbering, nothing, not a single detail. All For recipient - Redacted due to PII and for Industry it gives you a *Not Available*.
Wow. Just, wow.
You may redact the recipient name, I understand that, but that doesn't mean it has to be all cloak and dagger unless there is a reason for it to be.
Last edited by BigBluePappy; 10-08-2020 at 05:52 PM.
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10-08-2020, 07:05 PM #87
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It seems all but grants are considered aggregate-level data on that particular chart.
American College of Barbering received a grant through the dept. of education and not a loan through the SBA.
This chart contains both aggregate records, non-aggregate records, and non-aggregate records to an individual recipient i believe.
The scope of the whole thing is dizzying to say the least.
Three (?) categories compiled are..
The education stabilization fund.
Emergency loan advances.
Disaster assistance loans.Last edited by kingcat; 10-08-2020 at 07:21 PM.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
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10-08-2020, 07:29 PM #88
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This was a good oversight page to peruse. it shows individual attempts to defraud and other information pertaining to the CARES ACT. You can select any investigation, report type, agency, etc, in the left hand column
https://www.pandemicoversight.gov/oversight/reportsLast edited by kingcat; 10-08-2020 at 07:33 PM.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
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