-
08-12-2015, 04:54 PM #1
OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
Apparently, if you don't like that an athlete is gay, you just remove his yearbook picture, and he *poof* doesn't exist anymore. As a proud Kentuckian, I find this embarrassing...
http://www.outsports.com/2015/8/12/9...lton-maldonado"Shut your eyes and you'll burst into flame"
-
08-12-2015, 05:53 PM #2
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
That's just wrong.
Cool as a rule, but sometimes bad is bad.
-
08-12-2015, 05:57 PM #3
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Posts
- 374
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
To borrow a quote from Barry Goldwater: "I don't care if he IS straight... I want to know if he can SHOOT straight."
You've got a buddy in the "a kid isn't an unperson" business,
Warren (the M is concerned, however, by the fact the kid is going to UL.)
-
08-12-2015, 06:01 PM #4
-
08-12-2015, 06:09 PM #5
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
Being reported on the Louisville local TV news right now.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
-
08-12-2015, 06:10 PM #6
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
Yuck. I guess if you look at a gay guy in the yearbook, you might, you know, like turn gay or something?
-
08-12-2015, 06:13 PM #7
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
If the goal was to harm the movement..it's a huge fail. If it were to harm the student..it's borderline criminal.
I sense a major lawsuit is a solid option
Just a cluster#$%^@ of a high school administration.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
-
08-12-2015, 06:21 PM #8
-
08-12-2015, 06:38 PM #9
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
“First off, the Floyd County School System holistically supports Dalton Maldonado just as we do all our students,” Webb said. “He is a great athlete and a great person. We are one of the only school districts in the country who put out a yearbook-style annual that covers every school in the system. That’s where this came up, and Dalton was featured in 15 photos throughout the book. We counted. He’s featured in the most spirited section and the school pride section and in multiple cases he’s pictured playing basketball, which makes sense because he was a great player for us. He was a very popular student, and we support him.
“After I learned of his omission this morning, I launched a full investigation. At this point, what I’ve been able to glean is that he was left out by sheer human error. There were other students left out of other activities as well, which happens in a district-wide publication like this. It’s unfortunate. If the investigation determines that the student was taken out of the section for some other reason, whoever is responsible will face swift and serious consequences.”
Those certainly sound like responsible words from Webb, and the right direction for the school district. While it might be too late to put Maldonado back among the seniors on the school’s basketball page, at least he’ll be able to know that he wasn’t left out on purpose … or that if he was, the person responsible will have to deal with serious repercussions.
http://usatodayhss.com/2015/dalton-m...yearbook-photo
-
08-12-2015, 06:41 PM #10
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Posts
- 32,711
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
I'm doubting the entire premise a bit. Yearbooks are not put together by HS principals, but primarily by students. I'd rather be informed of both sides of the story before coming to a conclusion.
-
08-12-2015, 06:43 PM #11
-
08-12-2015, 06:44 PM #12
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
I wrote a ballad about our football team my senior year. It was the Ballad of the Lions, and I did it as a school project in my English class.
"Twas the fall of 77, and good were the times
For our football team, the Ouachita Lions."
Anyway, it went on for two pages. They asked permission to publish the ballad in the yearbook, as we had an historic season. In fact, I had to get an extension on the project because the team continued winning against all odds. It was pretty cool, and even our season-ending loss was pretty remarkable.
So the yearbook came out, and sure enough, spread over two pages in the yearbook, was the Ballad of the Lions.
Without my name. No reference whatsoever. They screwed up. I received a million apologies, I had classmates write my name in their yearbook "so when they were old and senile, they'd still remember," etc.
Human error.
I'm not suggesting this is human error. Just that it's a possibility. The kid was in the district-wide annual 15 other times (obviously, however, not in such a prominent spot). It's a possibility that it was a screw-up.
Or it was intentional. I'm not taking sides. Wrong no matter what, but was it negligent or intentional? Raises the stakes, obviously.
-
08-12-2015, 06:44 PM #13
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Posts
- 32,711
-
08-12-2015, 06:47 PM #14
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
You forgot to include the starting point guard, in the state of Kentucky? That would be a bit like putting out a picture of the government & forgetting to include the President. Of course if I did that today, and I claimed it was "accidental" I doubt you would believe me.
“You show me a good loser, and I will show you a loser.” - Jim Otto
-
08-12-2015, 06:53 PM #15
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
Depends on how good looking he is I guess.
As Darrell has quoted, I doubt it was intentional, and if so it is highly unlikely it was policy and maybe a student doing some editing, but I still bet it was just coincidence. Not much point in having him on the team, otherwise including him, then dropping him in just one spot.People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
-
08-12-2015, 06:55 PM #16
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
-
08-12-2015, 07:10 PM #17
-
08-12-2015, 07:17 PM #18
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
-
08-12-2015, 07:19 PM #19
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Posts
- 32,711
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
-
08-12-2015, 07:35 PM #20
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
Maybe. I would like this to be a case of simple human error.
But unless HS has changed a lot since the Middle Ages when I attended, and unless this small KY town is more tolerant than the Castro in San Francisco, I have a feeling that almost every kid in school would know the guy who came out as gay. For better or worse, I would bet even the yearbook kids would know about him... which would make his exclusion from the basketball page less likely to be simple error.
But, again, I hope it was simple error.
-
08-12-2015, 08:30 PM #21
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
I don't buy it...and I wish I could.
A new class of coincidence would have to be created imho.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
-
08-12-2015, 09:49 PM #22
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Posts
- 886
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
When you're dealing with this particular constituency, nothing is ever human error, still less simple decision making based on other considerations. It's always an intentional, hate-filled conspiracy against them.
Last year, the physical plant department at Davidson College put out an email asking students not to fly national flags, confederate flags, rainbow flags, whatever flags, out their dorm room windows, because it looked tacky and didn't represent the school well in the community. Was this about flags? Are you kidding me? It was an institution-wide conspiracy to hate the GLBT alphabet soup and suppress their right to whatever and whatever and whatever. It got to the point where the president of what is one of the most gay-friendly institutions in the country had to send an email to the entire list, parents and all, affirming whatever and whatever.
This looks like more of that.Last edited by elicat; 08-12-2015 at 10:19 PM.
-
08-12-2015, 11:32 PM #23
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
I disagree with the lifestyle, but can't bring myself to any other conclusion than the chances of it being a random omission are extremely low.
And the likelihood of it being intentional just the opposite.
Now, their motives might be a little more involved than just targeting the young man, and lean more toward revenge for past problems with the pro-gay media outlet (Outsports) reporting the issue. But the history itself makes it hard to believe this wasn't intentional and a cruel form of retribution.
Heads completely out of the sand now..the odds of this omission not being related are astronomical gang.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
-
08-13-2015, 01:03 AM #24
Why?
I confess, I don't see the logic.
Somebody was omitted.
He was gay.
Therefore it was because he was gay?
That's a logical fallacy. Where's the connection?
I ate cinnamon rolls for breakfast today. My son's soccer team lost tonight. Did one cause the other?
Our #1 golfer was omitted from our yearbook. He was a smoker.
Was he victimized because he smoked, and none of the rest of us did?
He was also overweight. Picture a slightly heavier Craig Stadler. Was he omitted because of his weight?
I hear victimology often. Maybe the one omission was intentional, and they missed the other pictures. And if it was intentional, maybe it was because he was gay.
Or maybe it was because the editor dated the player who was beaten out for his position by him. And maybe the editor is gay.
Look - there seems to be legitimate cause for concern, if the kid can be believed. If he had someone tell him, affiliated with the school, that it was intentional, and it was because of his sexual orientation. Do you believe the kid? I don't know him, but maybe he's trustworthy.
But if that's not true, the mere fact that a gay person was omitted is no more indicative of the reason than if you found someone robbed a bank, and that person was gay and you claimed it was because he was gay.
JMO. We've been burned by sensationalized newspaper headlines and false claims of victimization before. This one wouldn't shock me either way.
-
08-13-2015, 08:16 AM #25
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Posts
- 886
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
Apparently the kid is in the yearbook 15 times. The fact that it is not 16 is hate? Gotcha.
-
08-13-2015, 08:29 AM #26
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
The fact he was in there 15 other times says a lot. Could be the one person working on the basketball page did it on purpose and no one did a suitable job of reviewing all the pages.
Funny story Darrell, I wrote a long ballad about our basketball team that won the district for the first time in decades. It made the yearbook without my name as well! Great minds.
-
08-13-2015, 09:11 AM #27
-
08-13-2015, 11:48 AM #28
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
The history of the situation must be taken into account. And that history is well documented and strained, at best.
The examples above don't fit imo.
Really, as I see it your last paragraph affords the young man a good argument. Depending on ones viewpoint, the school had been burned previously by sensationalized newspaper headlines and false claims of victimization relating to this young man and his sexual preference.
Since there is a long history here between the news outlet, the young man, and the school system including his school, the circumstantial evidence must be weighed in to form a conclusion. I think it weighs in heavily myself.Last edited by kingcat; 08-13-2015 at 12:08 PM.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
-
08-13-2015, 12:05 PM #29
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
It's my understanding that the omitted picture was on the basketball team photos page. He's supposed to be the team's best player. If it had been anywhere else I could agree that it was a mistake. But to omit the picture of the basketball team's best player? In KY? There was something else going on.
-
08-13-2015, 12:07 PM #30
- Join Date
- Aug 2012
- Location
- Titusville, FL
- Posts
- 9,922
Re: OT: Kentucky high school removes gay basketball player from yearbook page
Geez! What difference does it make whether the kid is gay? So what? He's a kid in high school, for crying out loud! He's on the team, he's on the team. Accept & acknowledge it.
How much more hateful can they be to this kid?MOLON LABE!
Bookmarks