Naive, bulldozed by Obamacare

[jazyd]

That is my prayer Citizen, and it is the only hope I have left. The media is doing all it can, along with the democrat party and unfortunately many so called republicans to picture the tea party group of people as wackos and a fringe group. When people actually look into what they stand for, they are every day true blue Americans that believe in the constitution and our laws.
Everyone I know here that is a tea party member or associates withe their beliefs are professonal type people...my dentist who also teaches at the dental school, my two insurance agents, my landlord of my shopping center, two of my golf buddies..who owns his own insurance agency...my SS teacher who is a builder...SS friend and his wife who are both upper mgt in their companies. etc, etc. These are not wackos, not fringe lunatics, but rather successful, educated people.
I no longer call myself a republican even though I vote that way, but I am a conservative and a tea party person. I don't like either of my senators, both are republicans, don't like McCain and his buddies, nor Peter King of NY who has a R by his name. The party is not what is once was, it is basically democrats that are far left, they are the old school type democrats.

Anyone that thinks there is a major difference let me give you this example. During Katrina there was a democrat congressman from Louisiana, William Jefferson, that had been hoodwinked by the FBI in a sting operation and took a $90,000 bribe readily. When the FBI got a search warrant for his congressional office, guess who met them at the door and wouldnt allow them him, Dennis Hassert (R) of Illinois and House Majority Leader. He stood with the democrats and called the House off limits to the FBI, which I still don't know how he got away with that, when he should have done the correct thing and allowed that office to be searched. Now I always will wonder, what else is hidden in those offices of all party members. Not only could he have allowed a democrat to be gotten, he wouldn't allow the American people to know the truth.

The Economist did a survey many years ago that concluded as much as 60% of Americans are more accurately called Libertarian than any other political group, and I'd say that's not far off. Maybe 50%, but it's sizable. Out of my bedroom and out of my wallet.

The Tea Party is a broad group of largely Libertarian subgroups who are basically just fed up and feel they have no voice. they have no voice b/c neither of the 2 political parties are anything close to Libertarian. Both are holding hands and happily agreeing on the need for the NSA to accumulate our personal data and spy on every American for purposes of "national security", both are happy to spend like drunken sailors and both are all for more government regulation just differing on which group it should favor.

Hopefully the Tea party can pull off the GOP coup and at least one major party will again be committed to liberty and limited government. I think it will happen in the end but right now both parties pretty much equally want them to be crushed and go away and stop putting wrenches in the tax and spend world of Washington.

[dan_bgblue]

[CitizenBBN]

Dan the very end of that video got to the point: 48% of insurance policies are government backed and written, so the insurance companies can't speak out b/c the government is their biggest customer. That's how government is running health care and screwing it up so royally, without having to have outright socialized medicine. They pay the bills, they make the rules, and they've made a complete mess of the rules.

Obama knew, flat knew, millions would have their policies changed, dropped, etc. It was a given and obvious, the media let him get away with an outright lie, and now they are using their typical strong arm tactics and intimidation to keep everyone from pointing out it was a lie even as it is more obvious than a house burning down.

This is how Third World countries run, where the media and businesses and everyone else in power make and perpetuate the most absurd claims and they get away with it bc if you question it, no matter how absurd, you lose your job, your business, your power, maybe you end up in prison or exile. that's how Egypt was able to perpetuate the idea 9/11 was an Israeli plot and have educated people sit there and nod in agreement.

It's a complete farce, but maybe it's becoming so obvious the Emperor has no clothes even the jesters in his court at CNN and MSNBC are having to admit it.

[dan_bgblue]

48% of insurance policies are government backed and written, so the insurance companies can't speak out b/c the government is their biggest customer

And that is a fact that 90+% of the American people do not know. They think that Medicare and Medicaid are run by the federal government. It is not and never as been. The feds and the taxpayer have skin in the game, but private companies in partnership with the government administer the programs. The Feds write the volumes of rules and restrictions and the private sector figures out ho to make it work. The creators of those government supported insurance plans were smart enough to know that private companies could do the job much more efficiently than could the federal and state governments. The current administration does not have the same wisdom and they think they can do better than private industry that has been administrating health insurance policies, for over 100 years.

[DanISSELisdaman]

http://news.msn.com/us/sticker-shock...-cancellation/

[Doc]

http://news.msn.com/us/sticker-shock...-cancellation/

Actually this stuff pisses me off in a way it does not piss off others. Because most thought the ACA would not affect them, they were fine re-electing the doofuses that conceived and implemented this law. They didn't care because it didn't affect them. It only affected others and screw them because those affected, those who would subsidize or outright pay for the uninsured were the evil rich. They didn't care about whether forcing others to pay was right or wrong, only that it did not affect them. Well, all those who thought that and voted for Obama and his ilk, they got exactly what they deserved! I don't know who Mr Giffin voted for but I sure hope it was Obama! If so, he deserves everything that he gets. I hope he feels the pain and is reminded every month when he pens that $1200 dollar check. If he didn't then (and only then) do I feel sorry for him.

[CitizenBBN]

I'm with you Doc. Most of these outcomes were obvious from the get go, and most just refused to listen or care. They swallowed the naive 60s era pitch that they were only going to soak "the fat cats" and since they weren't fat cats they were fine with it. Now they're finding out that for the Left "fat cat" is pretty much anyone self employed or with a job making more than poverty wage. They were fairly warned and the evidence was obvious.

How did they think it would work that we'd add millions of currently uninsurable people, plus millions of other uninsured people with no money to a pool of people they were in and their rates would stay the same or go down? How was that going to work? How do you believe the drivel that somehow by just having more people in the pool the rates are better?
NO, by getting them off the uninsured dole you move the cost of their care away from medicaid and medicare to the insurance companies and, in the end, to the insured people who can afford to pay premiums. It's a massive medical insurance tax on the middle class, and it always was.

Not to mention even more obvious lies like keeping your insurance. So we're going to write a law that specifies coverage minimums, b/c millions of people now have insurance without those coverages, yet they'll be able to then keep nonconforming policies? Really? Think about it, the government is going to decide what must be in every policy. Once you sign up for that deal they can change their requirements any time they want from now forward and by stroke of a pen make your policy illegal to offer, forcing you to change policies. How do you not see that coming? How do you still not see that next year when they decide everyone needs some other coverage minimum that millions more will get their policies canceled or changed with corresponding price increases, that it won't stop now that some agency is deciding for you instead of you deciding what you need?

[MickintheHam]

Actually this stuff pisses me off in a way it does not piss off others. Because most thought the ACA would not affect them, they were fine re-electing the doofuses that conceived and implemented this law. They didn't care because it didn't affect them. It only affected others and screw them because those affected, those who would subsidize or outright pay for the uninsured were the evil rich. They didn't care about whether forcing others to pay was right or wrong, only that it did not affect them. Well, all those who thought that and voted for Obama and his ilk, they got exactly what they deserved! I don't know who Mr Giffin voted for but I sure hope it was Obama! If so, he deserves everything that he gets. I hope he feels the pain and is reminded every month when he pens that $1200 dollar check. If he didn't then (and only then) do I feel sorry for him.

What infuriates me is the "let them eat cake" attitude of this administration. "It's only 5 %". That quote should tell you all you need to know. It's no longer about sticking it to 5% of the richest people in the country, it's now about sticking it to 5% from middle class America. But, the 5% comment tells you this is all about politics. And the Democrats probably have the research to tell you that 90% of the 5% vote Republican. And for those reasons this issue will never get the traction it needs to win the Senate in 2014 and defeat the "Bloody Bitch of Benghazi" in 2016.

[Doc]

And if you believe its the 5% the administration reported (which I'm sure you don't) then you also believe the unemployment numbers they release each month. This administration (and others) have a unique way of skewing the numbers so much that its not really skewing so much as fabricating.

[DanISSELisdaman]

http://news.msn.com/us/the-hidden-ma...y-in-obamacare

[dan_bgblue]

Is obamacare coming to your house much sooner than you think? I know we have a lot of self employed folks that play here and this news does not affect those persons, but we have many who currently have employer assisted health care plans.

This article opines that those employer HC plans will not last much longer. I hope this opinion is wrong.

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[CitizenBBN]

It's not wrong Dan. Welcome to Oceania.

Not only is it not a surprise, it was always part of the plan. The whole idea is to push as many people as possible into the pools with the older and poorer so they can subsidize the care. If young people and people on private plans stay out it's just a big sign up push for Medicare/Medicaid and that still comes right out of government budgets, as opposed to the massive hidden wealth transfer of doing it within the insurance pools.

Socialized medicine works better when you force everyone onto the same plan. As you and most here know, that's been the plan all along.

Our best hope is that it's totally horribly awful for enough people we can have the votes to change it. In the long run it's still less overall suffering than to limp along with this socialized crap that will make the service at the VA look good in 8-10 years.

[KeithKSR]

I agree with Chuck, the ACA was designed to hasten the collapse of employer provided healthcare.

I look at our economy and can't help but wonder at how politicians can't see the dangerous economic situation we are in.

[suncat05]

I agree with Chuck, the ACA was designed to hasten the collapse of employer provided healthcare.

I look at our economy and can't help but wonder at how politicians can't see the dangerous economic situation we are in.

Some of them, if not most, clearly see it. But they don't give a damn because it's of no consequence to them. They have that Lincoln Continental Plan that the greedy, crooked politicos voted in for themselves back in the 60's, right along with that lifetime pension they receive whether they serve one term or ten terms. Most of those people holding office do not give two squats about the average, everyday hardworking Joe's & Jane's out here who have been struggling and suffering because of their uncaring incompetence.
I believe we are quickly approaching a point where even the ballot box will not produce the positive results we need & want. The soapboxed hasn't worked because they're not listening. The ballot box is most likely rigged in their favor. That does not leave us very many options to use against them. JMHO.

[UKHistory]

Of all the comments here the one that I think I connect the most with is Citizen's view of how the Left define Fat Cats. As expensive as it is it does seem that many hard working people that have been blessed to earn six figures, or in the high figure range, are being targeted as ones open their pocket books like someone making 7 figures does.

There is a point where, while I am for helping out the less fortunate, you have to stand on your own feet. Destroying the middle class is not the answer. Making everyone poor with just a few rich won't solve our problems and will truly destroy the imperfect but democratic Republic we love.