Dobbs Decision (Roe v Wade)

[KSRBEvans]

https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinion...-1392_6j37.pdf

[dan_bgblue]

213 pages. I hope they did not forget to add a punctuation mark or incorrectly use a pronoun.

[CitizenBBN]

I have yet to read the decision, but did skim just a hair of it. It's a legally sound decision. Politically obviously highly charged, but Roe v. Wade was legislating from the bench, and this addresses that outright. SCOTUS never had the authority to make that ruling, and in fact have no authority to legislate.

That of course does not in any way answer the very difficult moral and political and ethical questions surrounding the subject, just that the Constitution doesn't guarantee anything regarding abortion and it is thus left to the states to decide.

Whether Congress can act is not really clear. Like everything else they have done to destroy Federalism, I presume they can only do it by tying their law to something like transportation funding.

If SCOTUS wanted to deal a deathblow to federal centralization, they would rule that tactic unconstitutional. That would be the decision I would want to see.

[Doc]

I am enjoying reading and seeing all the "WOE IS ME, END OF THE WORLD, CATACLYSMIC" screeching from the left. My favorite was the chick holding the sign out front SCOTUS claiming "PREGNANCY WILL KILL ME". If I had a piece of cardboard, I would write "THEN BUY A RUBBER" and stand beside her!

But this will now re-ignite the Pack the Supreme court move by the left. Hope the right can stave off that until November.

[Catonahottinroof]

McConnell warned Harry Reid something like this would happen…..
https://www.lipstickalley.com/thread...-2013.3933178/

[dan_bgblue]

Joe is quickly making it a campaign issue that he hopes will cancel out high gas prices, no formula for babies, troops left in Afghanistan, huge increases in inflation, empty grocery store shelves, increases in multiple types of crime, public education failures, drug deaths from drugs crossing open borders, throwing money at the Ukraine Russia war, begging foreign nations for oil handouts, in the minds of voters at the polls in November.

[MickintheHam]

And the United States still has some of the most liberal abortion laws among G20 nations.

[bigsky]

I am pro choice up till viability, 16 to 20 weeks. . And I didn’t agree with the decision. Montana has strong privacy laws in our Constitution. I agree with our Constitution and have sworn many times to uphold it.

But I doubt I will ever vote for a pro choice candidate again, and have not for years. This is on the democrats who showed me that they will not nominate or support libertarian conservatives.

Many other issues are bigger for me. The southern invasion. The debt. 1A and 2A. Due process. Foreign policy. And the dems just use this issue to gain support for radical woke socialists who are destroying the country.

Still had pro choice stopped at mail order pills early and procedures up to 16 weeks they could have won Congress. But that they insisted on dragging viable babies out of wombs at 9 months and killing them shows how depraved and focused on politics they really are.

[bigsky]

A bit of rationalizing my POV. Warning: long and dry. https://quillette.com/2022/06/24/the...fore-abortion/

[MickintheHam]

Leave it to NPR to have a feature on the Economic impact of overturning RvW. But, I guess it has always been an economic issue and not a moral issue.

[bigsky]

Newspapers and media are all Woe vs Rage all day every day. No other news.

[VirginiaCat]

Ok, I am Pro Choice to a point to (the Libertarian in me) but I can honestly debate both sides of this issue. The Libertarian understands the arguement of my body, my choice. I made it during covid vaccinations.

But there is an issue here that the choice happens at intercourse. IT does for the man who has no say so in if a baby is delivered or not and if it is delivered he has to pay child support for 18 years. He makes his choice at intercourse so why is it different for the woman? Now, that neglects the issues on the womans body and possible dangers, I know, but still, choice happened at intercourse. Also, there are not "other means". The Birth Control pill is widely available. So are condoms. And not there is OTC morning after pills.

This gets me to my pro life argument. Viability of fetus. in 1973 an early birth at 28-30 weeks was considered miraculous. My attorney had her son at 20 weeks. HE will have health challenges but he lived. So, now that 16 weeks number looks way to high for m. Spain and Italy have 12 laws. France and Germany are at 14 weeks. All of those are lower than the 15 weeks that Mississippi passed that took the cased to SCOTUS.

So, My take would be 12 weeks (8 weeks lower than current viability on a birth). That is roughly 3 months. Plenty long enough. Only exception after that time is danger to mothers life or fully non-viable fetus.

and I agree with SCOTUS, the US Constitution in no way guarantees the right to an abortion under Federal power.

[MickintheHam]

My views crystalized 38 years ago after spending considerable time in the ICU seeing doctors and nurses fight around the clock to save the lives of babies at 20-22 weeks. And fighting harder to survive were the young neonates. The will to live is instinctive.

[blueboss]

My views crystalized 38 years ago after spending considerable time in the ICU seeing doctors and nurses fight around the clock to save the lives of babies at 20-22 weeks. And fighting harder to survive were the young neonates. The will to live is instinctive.

Yes sir, if there is anyone that is curious how I feel about “the decision” hop over to the FrontPorch and search for the “Cancer Sucks” thread.

Ultimately my niece gave her life so that her daughter could live. She could have chosen to abort her child and start chemo when she was diagnosed with cancer to save her own life. She was adamant with the medical team at Stanford to keep her alive long enough to deliver her child. Reagan was a 24 weeker… she’ll be 6 in Sept.


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[MickintheHam]

I remember the thread Boss. Out of tragedy a new life emerges. May Reagan live a long a d happy life.