Travis, I am with you. I think every adult should be vaccinated; not so sure kids need to be.
Hope your friends are OK.
Darryl
Travis, I am with you. I think every adult should be vaccinated; not so sure kids need to be.
Hope your friends are OK.
Darryl
Sure, it does, by maybe .0001%. Those folks, in numbers, pale in comparison to the 150+ million unvaccinated in the US.Originally Posted by Terry Blue
Why is there SO much focus on the very small number and not the majority of idiot Americans that won’t get vaccinated?
We’ve seen data about the impact of Americans not getting vaccinated. We have seen nothing about the impact of illegals spreading. That reason is simple. It’s irrelevant.
Honestly, for those who have questions about the vaccine, why do you think that Hannity and Fox are now telling people to get vaccinated? Why is the governor of Alabama saying flatly that it's time to blame the unvaccinated for the spread of delta? Why is the governor of Missouri, who had spoken openly against the vaccine and mask mandates, now offering a lottery for people in his state to be vaccinated?
It's because before,when there were no vaccines, most of the people who were dying were from urban areas, where people are closer together and more numerous and where there is much more travel into from many more places.
Now though nearly all of the hospitalizations and deaths are from the unvaccinated, who overwhelmingly are Republican leaning and rural or suburban.
They didn't care before, but now the WRONG PEOPLE, in their minds, are dying,so now they care.
They're not your friends, or allies, or fellow real Americans. They're trying to get your votes, your Nielsen ratings, your dollars, your purchasing power. Screw them and get vaccinated and maybe save your life.
I’m for people getting vaccinated cause the numbers has shown, it works. All the other wacky stuff that gets brought in the conversation is dumb…
Thanks Darryl. I really hope that people who refuse to get vaccinated understand what you may miss out on. My co-worker just missed the birth of his child because he refused to get the the shot.. was it worth it?
See that is where you go too far. Go back and see who started the I won’t get vaccinated with the trump warp speed vaccine. Biden and Harris. If you need proof I will attach the comments.
You made this political which is WHY we have this nutso issue. Automatically blaming republicans and suburban racist bull ****. Getting the vaccine isn’t racist or Republican or Democrat… good job in doing exactly what some of us were trying not to do and that’s make it political.
Travis, SSB may want to redo that post. That is very harsh.
And you are correct, Biden and Harris were the first ones telling people not to get vaccinated
Darryl
Biden and Harris rightfully said they wouldn't get a vaccine rushed into distribution before the election by a president who downplayed, lied about and ignored the virus until it was too late to contain and then publicly mocked the methods suggested by health experts to stop it from spreading further. That's not political, that's a fact.
As for the rural, suburban or Republican remarks, it's not exactly difficult to look at a map or where people are not getting vaccinated and look at where the highest concentrations of Republican voters are. They're the same places.
I'm not making anything political. The people who are not getting vaccinated are. You yourself said there was no logical reason to not get vaccinated. The entirety of the reasoning for not doing so is political.
Anyways, I'm done arguing about this. Believe me, I've argued about it enough in real life. I've got dead relatives and friends whose 'I don't want some Washington liberal telling me what to do' got them what the folks who are denying the truth are going to be getting soon. DONE WITH IT.
Exactly, and with very reasonable precautions. At the end of the day, once the appropriate agencies gave their approval, reasonable, and many unreasonable people got the vaccine. Even those that spend every available minute downplaying the vaccine were the first in line to get theirs.
There is nothing wrong with some initial skepticism, but when the science clearly points out that it works, there is absolutely no rational excuse, other than some health condition, to get it. Among those that are unvaccinated, it's an us vs them mindset for most.
I’ll just say a quick (turns out not so quick) comment before this inevitably moves to the political forum.
I certainly know the vaccine became politicized by many.
But long before Covid there has been a growing swell of people who already believed against vaccines. More than many think.
It was long before Trump or Biden or Fauci or anyone else.
Imo, it was a lot of disinformation. But it existed nonetheless and most of it outside of the political spectrum.
Much of it was built on conspiracy theories etc and much of it a general distrust for all things government and corporate health care.
Then of course, those two trains ran parallel (the politicizing of it and the already distrust in vaccines). And many on both sides took advantage of its political power.
My point of saying all of that is that I don’t think many of the people who have decided not to get the vaccine are “idiots” or “morons”.
And I don’t think many of them bought the political side of it. I simply think they were misinformed (again, that part imo) and have been for some time.
They didn’t believe Trump or Biden or Fauci. They simply believed the Facebook and YouTube videos that have existed for a long time (the ones about autism etc).
Putting a foreign substance in your body is a big deal. Doing it when it was done so quickly an even bigger deal. And doing it with a brand new form of vaccine (at least to the common man - mrna) that was manufactured is a perfect recipe for the skeptical.
Imo, everyone should get the vaccine. I chose to. Many of my friends on here from both sides of the aisle did as well and I am thankful for that because I want all of you to be alive.
I don’t however think those who don’t are morons or political hacks (and sure, that does exist; just not solely). And I think a more gracious approach by all in their circle of influence would go a much further way than minimizing their reasons. And if they still decide not to, we accept their choice that a free country gives us.
Finally, I am very sorry to all on here that have lost loved ones and currently have friends and loved ones battling it.
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I’m tired of our country being not in some way normal. The fight with cnn and foxnews I can handle, being told that we still may not be able to do somewhat normal life for a long time only because people refuse to get vaccinated is frustrating. Sorry if I offended, it’s been a frustrating day watching close friends stress and almost die because of refusing to get vaccinated
Great post Puma and kinda what I was talking about that not getting the vaccine had zero to do with politics.
Also as you say these are not morons which makes me cringe to say because making a choice right or wrong does not give anyone the right to call you names.
Your posts were fine. Puma did a great job. The other 2 calling Republicans morons and idiots were out of line. I am not surprised by one, but was by SSB.
I got the vaccine in January (my arm hurt like heck after the 1st one, had a 24 hour flu-like syndrome after the 2nd). I now have 96% protection against getting the virus and 99.4% chance of living IF I contract it. I figure I'll find something else to worry about.
My family here in Alabama has been vaccinated, and I tell everyone I know to get it.
Darryl
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Anyone, besides legitimate health reasons, chooses to not get vaccinated is making a stupid, idiotic, moronic, high risk decision. Very similar to decisions such as drinking and driving, not wearing a helmet while on a motorcycle, not wearing a mask while unvaccinated, crossing a street on a major, busy highway without a street sign, choosing not to get regular medical check-ups or trips to the dentist. I can go on and on about specific decisions, but I would think people are more less aligned that these are not smart decisions.
Doing one of those things does not necessarily make you a moron, idiot, etc. Consistently making such decisions does.
I have yet to hear Hannity push the vaccine. I listen to him for about 15 minutes everyday on the way home. What I always hear him say is to talk to your doctors, educate yourself, and make the best decision for you. If you have a link where he is pushing the vaccine, please share that for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Z_Jj7zN_j8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A6XtKwUohiI
Thanks. IMO that is consistent with what Hannity has said all along. I'm generally not a fan of his, but I have appreciated how he has communicated this.
Why are you losing your patience if someone doesn't get vaccinated? They can make that decision for themselves. The vaccine works for you, you have the immunity.
The drug is still in EUA, btw.
The virus will be around forever, it is awesome that a vaccine was developed so quickly so that people have the ability to protect themselves.
Masks can be effective if everyone in the room is wearing them. They’re less effective if lots of people aren’t wearing them since infected people who aren’t masked can really fill the air with virus. And apparently the delta variant causes very high particle counts in the air.
I regret resurrecting your thread Terry after it sat idle for a week but when K-12 schools open this stuff could really go wild. Everyone hang on and keep your head down.
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Well said, Puma.
I don’t see the vaccine/no vaccine as a political issue. I see it as a lot of people being wary of what the government feeds them. A lot of people are taking a wait and see approach. The CDC and NIH have been all over the place since the very beginning. Just today their was an announcement that the PCR rapid test emergency use authorization is being withdrawn due to false negatives, false positives and being unable to distinguish between SARS-Cov2 and influenza.
I’m not an anti-vaccine guy. I took the Hep B vaccine 30 years ago when it was still pretty new, I was the first staff member in the school to receive it. I took the Hep A as soon as it became available.
The duality of the messages is what concerns me. The CDC says masks aren’t required for the vaccinated, Fauci talks about a need for everyone to be masked. Biden is vaccinated, wears the mask everywhere. The White House has an outbreak among the vaccinated, refuses to give the numbers. 20% of a group of vaccinated people come down with the virus. Vaccinated media types are going on rants about the unvaccinated infecting them. The desire to vaccinate the people who have had the virus is definitely a head scratcher. Why artificially stimulate antibodies in people that have the antibodies?
Why the constant data manipulation? There are 260 million Americans 18 or older. There are approximately 95.9 million unvaccinated adults. That means approximately 37% of adults haven’t been vaccinated. The number I can’t locate is the number of unvaccinated adults who have had the virus.
I’ll likely get the vaccine, it’ll probably be later in the summer. I want to see some consistency in the message. Putting off getting the vaccine is easy. I don’t particularly care for crowds and I am a practicing procrastinator.
If someone wants to wait to get vaccinated until there is better messaging, formal approval, or some other logical reason AND continue to practice social distancing, wear a mask and other mitigation approaches, I really do not have a problem with that.
There really is no debate anymore about whether the vaccine works. It does.
I don’t think a lot of people have realized the reality that the virus will be around forever. That doesn’t mean masks forever as Fauci has said, he tends to fear monger. The virus adapts and becomes less lethal, our immune systems adapt and become more efficient at fighting it. Occasionally more potent strains will pop up and cause some issues. The Spanish Flu is H1N1 type A, it makes the rounds every year without the mass deaths from a century ago.
Concerning to me is the recent poll where 50% of Blacks and Hispanics responded that they would never be vaccinated, these were the largest never vax groups. People on the fence can be swayed, skeptics can be swayed, but swaying those who are firmly on the no side is much more difficult.
What, the greater number of white people that won't get vaccinated is not concerning?
There is definitely a problem with people of color (or anyone) that choose not to ever get vaccinated, but I am questioning the polling as the data actually shows that May - July that people of color have have disproportionately exceeded vaccinations relative to white people, which essentially tells me that, like everything else in healthcare, there has been an access problem.
There has been tremendous outreach by celebrities, politicians and anyone else to the people in brown and black communities and it seems to be working. If outreach is not working for those that say "never", death of loved ones will and we hear stories about that everyday too.
None of this really matters, though, because it doesn't matter what the color of a person's skin is, their political affiliation or whatever else, people are making very poor decisions to not get vaccinated. Besides VERY small pockets and communities, herd immunity is a fantasy until we can get at least 70% of the country fully vaccinated.
They’re now saying the delta variant has an R-naught value of 7 to 8. This is going to get scary.
Beliefs that seem relatively new in our history.
I wonder what we would look like if 40% of the country refused vaccines for typhoid, polio, etc.
People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
The Delta variant seems to be more contagious, but less lethal than the variant that hit last winter. Like other viruses this one will be with us forever. The Spanish Flu was H1N1, it still makes its rounds each year, every now and then a more potent mutation pops up, but by and large people don’t pay a lot of attention to it.
Some try to politicize those not wanting to take the vaccine, but that isn’t very accurate. The new masking guidelines make it less likely skeptics will want to be vaccinated.
They still haven’t gotten enough research to know how deadly the delta may be. They do think hospitalization is twice as likely in unvaccinated individuals with delta than in unvaccinated individuals with alpha so that’s not encouraging. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...358-1/fulltext
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They have quite a bit of research on Delta, it has been in the UK for most of 2021. https://collateralglobal.org/article...ate-in-the-uk/
Never thought the vaccinated % would get too far past the flu rate, even with all the ANNUAL expensive flu vaccine campaigns. Every year. And flu wins the all time killer virus award I think.
People like me (old, cancerous, immuno compromised) ran out and butted in line and got it. Some 18-49 with parent like me or in public contact jobs got it.
Lots of immunizations out there, pneumonia, shingles, HPV, and some people get them and a certain percentage dont.
Period.
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