I know the major news outlets (several smaller/more reliable ones have) haven't called it yet. But, its just math now and this is over.
Donald Trump cost Republicans the Senate. Just like Ben Sasse said he would.
I know the major news outlets (several smaller/more reliable ones have) haven't called it yet. But, its just math now and this is over.
Donald Trump cost Republicans the Senate. Just like Ben Sasse said he would.
~Puma~
Sad truth is both the president and senate were won because of hate and had little to to with policy.
I don't agree. Yes, people don't like Trump and he brought out lots of people to vote (same reason Trump beat Hillary btw).Originally Posted by catmanjack
Biden beat Trump because Trump's message against him was doomed to fail. Nothing he threw at Biden stuck. He hailed him as a 47 year establishment candidate but then tried to say he was a socialist. That won't work. People know Biden because as Trump said, he's been around for 47 years. It was a message never going to stick. And Trump's bungling of Covid was a disaster for him.
Republicans lost this Senate race because they changed their entire message. In 2016, their message was all about the economy (and immigration).
Now, their message is all about crazy conspiracy theories and crying about losing. That does not work and never will.
This will be Trump's legacy:
He came in in 2016 and had the trifecta: President, House and Senate.
He leaves in 2020(21) having lost all 3.
~Puma~
Hate and perception were very strong.
Most know very little about true policy and taxes that will be generated.
Will be interesting The demographics are ever changing.
As Jake Tapper said, Ask yourself whom you heard Trump attack more in the last two months: Ossoff and Warnock? Or Kemp and Raffensberger?
That is why Republicans lost the Senate.
Oh, he has some other legacies.
Most importantly he's now smoked out the national media like never before, making it clear democracy actually already died, it just wasn't reported on yet. There is no Fourth Estate left, if there ever was one, and without it corruption will grow astronomically.
It's more clear than ever that this isn't about Republicans and Democrats, but about the ruling class and the rest of us. He's not wrong about that, he's dead on. even a blind squirrel finds a few nuts.
Now we see if the pendulum goes as hard the other way, and if it does then it may help force this all to a head a little more, which is also part of his legacy. The overreach will be attempted, but the margin is too thin for much of it to work I think. Senator Manchin and West Virginia may be the saving grace of what's left of the Senate.
And last, and I owe him for this, by bringing this all to a head, I now no longer care about the nation or its future. I realize we're trying to do CPR on a corpse at this point. The structure of the nation will continue, but the Great Experiment is gone. Trump didn't kill it, he just made it clear it was dead.
Before I'm dead China will be the world's leader and the US will be in a gradually accelerating decline both economically and, more important, in its commitment to human liberty. I realize now that is simply the fact of it, and not related to this election or the Senate election or any other ripple. What Trump did was expose it by being perhaps the first professional troll to hold high office.
And that's fine. I'm old, I'm going to spend the rest of my days enjoying myself. I'm getting good with being like most other people, a-political and focused on their own lives more. I'm pretty sure I'll be dead before it gets truly horrible, but just in case I'll be borderless in my investments just like the ruling class, so I can cover my ass and get out if needed.
I'm sure lots of people in China are happy and enjoying themselves despite living in a repressive police state, so I'll be fine here.
And yes, he is far more interested in his own success than in the GOP winning the senate or anything else. I don't think that's ever been in question, at least not by anyone paying attention. Honestly in that way he's not much different from the Clintons, and arguably their obsession with getting back in the White House cost them the last election as nearly anyone else would have beaten Trump in 2016.
he's not single handedly responsible for losing Georgia though due to his tireless nonsense. There are other factors, like completely demonizing him from the outset to churn up the base, and even the way Georgia structures it's senate races themselves which led to this runoff.
People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
Not that simple, though I don't disagree. He's one part of it, but there's always more to a given state election than just actions like Trump's. But he was never trying to help them, only himself. Like I said, just like the Clintons, who held the DNC financially hostage to get the 2016 nomination. It's really true of most politicians who have enough direct sway over either money or their base.
People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
Yes, Clinton’s did as well.
Joe Manchin has just become the Republicans new best friend......
I do hope he will be that "One Vote" when it counts. He will certainly have the opportunity to sell that vote for cash and for lots of perquisites for his state.
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I'm just one stomach flu away from my goal weight.
One could say something similar about Trump’s victory over Clinton. The lock her up chant continued in this election.
Clinton is a person has been vilified and accused crimes including murder and accessory to murder going back the 1990s.
Also I would say Trump’s campaign in 2016 and 2020 was based on divisive, negative campaigning against Republicans and dems.
My position is based on a desire to protect the Constitution which I don’t believe is honored or followed by Trump.
Well I am not sure at current state the constitution will be saved.
Let's see. If the Democrats go too far, I'd say the midterms will correct. Where will the Democrats, barring a successful coup to keep Trump in office, go first?
1) Cabinet. Biden will get his people. This is a given.
Where next? I think the focus will be on building a national response to COVID. An attempt to improve coordination with the states. What type of requirements for masks and vaccinations will we see? That is question.
Rescinding Trump executive orders will be a lengthy effort. I am very curious to see if Biden will reverse course on the Schedule F employment series for career, government employees in policy positions.
Schedule F has the potential of gutting the government's institutional knowledge of experienced staff that serve the executive who did not receive the jobs through patronage or act in partisan ways.
If Biden looks to end Schedule F, I will be thrilled. If he doesn't I will be very disappointed. It would be a example of taking a bite out of the forbidden fruit. As an aside, Trump has installed many staff who came to government as politicals who will be in career positions in the agencies they oppose. Fun times.
The big questions of course are will Biden pack the court, erode the 2nd amendment and or strengthen the ACA? Oh and Trump tax cuts.
For me the biggest concern is the second amendment. I want very few if any additional restrictions to our right to own weapons. Packing the court is a escalation of the hard ball politics that McConnell played that really was poor form.
I demand consistency and will criticize and condemn changing the rule to benefit one side over the other. Obama should have gotten Garland the way Trump got Barrett.
But let's see if Biden can and will look to work with moderates and try to compromise. I hope so.
End of America
I think we are closer then some like to admit and just because Democrats are winning is far from a resolution.
Hard work and building respect does not exist and those are foundations of America.
For all of my conservative friends here.
Just go back several years. Before all the Trump craziness.
Imagine you were able to get a sneak peak of the future for just a few minutes. And this is what you saw:
“The sitting President was caught on tape pressuring the Sec of State of his own party to “find the votes” needed to overturn the election in that state months after the election. And that same President is publicly pressuring his own Vice President to overturn the election. And a group of Senators and Representatives are prepared to object to the certified electoral votes from red and blue states in order to overturn the election. All of this after judges from both parties (including ones appointed by the sitting President) rejected lawsuit after lawsuit trying to overturn the democratic election.”
Imagine seeing all of that and thinking, “That’s my party. But it’s the other one who is going to end America”.
It’s not the end of America......geez
I think you will see the defense state/deep state flourish as Biden is a part of it.
Biden’s term will depend on the market, which will crash at some point. Folks may say Wall Street isn’t mainstream America, but most folks that have any retirement or investments are directly tied to that result. Trump had the crash and recovered, most if not all of it. Most of that crash was pandemic produced. It will be interesting to see what Biden will do to maintain it.
Puma: I don't have to imagine AOC and the Squats, or thirty trillion in debt, or cancel culture on campus and in society, identity politics, men competing in sports as women, the campaign to end western civilization and all the rest a democrat victory solidifies. Trump's whacky phone calls have never amounted to anything, not to Ukraine or Georgia or anywhere else. I see bread and circuses while Rome is looted by China and their media lackeys. I spent almost thirty years in politics; this is a dark day and just confirms my decision to no longer participate.
And fwiw, it’s not.
Biden will be President (because this Republican mess won’t work today).
Congress will be in Dem control. It will be a very moderate agenda (for Dems) because the Senate is so split. And that will be that.
And in 2022 Republicans will likely win back one house if not both. And then 2024 will come around.
The only asterisk to all of that is whether Republicans continue to bow to Trump. If they do, they may very well lose in 2022 as well.
One of the greatest mistakes Republican leaders made was assuming Trumps “whacky phone calls” never amounted to anything.
They thought they could manage him. Put up with him. Use him.
After the election (when Trump lost) I heard a Republican senator say “what’s the harm in letting him whine for a while. He will file his lawsuits and will lose and we will all move on.”
That didn’t work. They allowed him to fume even more. And now we are here. With Republican Congressmen actually trying to overturn a United States certified election.
And the loss of the Senate.
It amazes me that Republicans keep playing down the damage his words are doing. But frankly, it’s hurting your own party so have at it.
As for Dems, AOC has very little power. She’s a tv star. Sure, young people like her. But she won’t win a National election in my lifetime. Joe Biden will get his cabinet through with the control of the Senate. And $2,000 checks will go out. Besides that, we will see a very bipartisan agenda over the next two years because nothing else will pass.
If only we could get a "Red" President in to fix it.
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~Puma~
Mitt Romney this morning:
“It turns out that telling the voters that the election was rigged is not a great way to turn out your voters”
Haha, ya think?
~Puma~
Someone close to Trump: "Pence will do the right thing today, and Trump is going to destroy him for it."
~Puma~
Speaking of, after the Georgia election last night, the market is at an all time high today.
~Puma~
I voted for Romney, Puma. I doubt you did. I may be the most moderate republican you know, pro choice, always for equal rights for gay couples, against the "war on drugs", for reducing the military. I literally hate what the democrats stand for. Truly. Hate. I don't use that word lightly, maybe not even the rooferee, er, yeah, the rooferee. The "government cradle to grave entitlement, the communist teacher's unions, the politicians buying votes, are ruining, er, have ruined our country. There is no convincing me otherwise.
Understood. And I wouldn't try to convince any of my friends here to ever change what they believe.
I have many strong beliefs on many policies (some you would guess, some you wouldn't). I don't post them here because of that exact point....none of us are likely to change our point of view.
Having said that, as someone who was a History Major (not that that matters) and loves our country greatly, I find great joy in watching the current coup attempt against our democracy fail and flutter. Frankly, we all should.
~Puma~
Gabe Sterling: "It was an impressive feat by whoever did it to get 100,000 people to show up for a January election who did not show up in a November election ... While Republicans were busy attacking the governor and my boss, the Democrats were out there knocking on doors."
~Puma~
Not as confident the coup will fail. Hopeful. But not confident. The nation has rejected Trump. We must hold firm.
What I got is that I have no faith in the ethics of anything our government does. So much corruption...you can't sit there and honestly feel good about any of this no matter what your affiliation is.
I strongly on this side.
Given the chance Harris will do damage!
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