"Black lives matter" vs. Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation

[kingcat]

it seems to me that overall the BLM movement is widely misunderstood and has been molded into a political talking point and mode of broad based accusation for many.
I think it's good, no matter what opinion one holds, that the BLM movement be understood for what it actually is. No offense to either side of the debate but attempting to understand why and where there are differences is rather important, and required imo.

The movement/slogan itself hails from protests of the 2012 fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin. Also at that time three radical Black organizers started an organization named "Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation" It also now operates a website called blacklivesmatter.com which some consider taking advantage of the broader movement to garner support.
There is also a separate organization named “Black Lives Matter Foundation, based in Santa Clarita, California which claims no affiliation with the aforementioned although that is thoroughly debatable.

A second organization that functions as something of a hub for official Black Lives Matter organizing is the "Movement for Black Lives"
This group also operates under a fiscal sponsorship arrangement as a project of the Alliance for Global Justice. It describes itself as “a collective of more than 50 organizations,” one of which is the more radical "Black Lives Matter Network,”
There are no universal meetings. There is no centralized, national organization called Black Lives Matter. And it is inclusive to differing political agendas, making no such political distinctions. If a republican organization sympathetic to the overall cause wanted to operate under their umbrella I'm sure they could, or maybe they already do.

Such ambiguity causes confusion when decentralized movements are conflated with actual existing legal entities. It is almost certain that the huge percentage of peaceful protesters are not affiliated in any way with these organizations. But when attacking the Black Lives Matter movement it is rather easy to point to any one of the organizations or subsequent branches which operate independently.
Especially since some of those entities introduce more radical views to the movement for self benefit, and shelter more contentious views among the larger movement.
Often going unchecked and usually unnoticed by the average participant. And certainly the unaffiliated majority.

But there is no doubt that the term Black Lives Matter is a heartfelt slogan adopted from the beginning by not only concerned citizens, but also a banner for those with varying and/or extreme agendas.

Yet, we would be wise to remember that for the huge majority of people protesting, the term is a statement and not a banner tied to a particular organization, of which all came after the fact. And understand it is most often meant as a heartfelt statement.

Lumping all under one of those "non profit" banners, plays into the hands of the extremists and is not fair to the genuinely concerned. As well as being all too convenient for those detractors who might also have an extreme agenda.

So I would hope to be be careful before we judge either side too harshly on any particular matter, and take every opinion into careful consideration. There is plenty of good intention on either side..and bad intent present with both.

Just a thought.

[dan_bgblue]

I estimate that I have seen a few hundred signs being waved by protestors, a few more hundred news organization headlines, several hundred TShirts and hooded sweatshirts displaying the words BLACK LIVES MATTER, and none of those examples have hinted at any other organization or sister outfit having a dog in this hunt. I wonder why that is?

[KentuckyWildcat]

it seems to me that overall the BLM movement is widely misunderstood and has been molded into a political talking point and mode of broad based accusation for many.
I think it's good, no matter what opinion one holds, that the BLM movement be understood for what it actually is. No offense to either side of the debate but attempting to understand why and where there are differences is rather important, and required imo.

Been saying this all along. People are arguing and don't even know what they are fighting about.

[Doc]

No misunderstanding from me

https://youtu.be/PdAL_-kapQY

The KKK started as a social group. Like BLM, it became an organization that advocates murder. NEVER expect any sympathy from me to any organization that calls for killing anybody...be it the KKK or BLM

[kingcat]

I estimate that I have seen a few hundred signs being waved by protestors, a few more hundred news organization headlines, several hundred TShirts and hooded sweatshirts displaying the words BLACK LIVES MATTER, and none of those examples have hinted at any other organization or sister outfit having a dog in this hunt. I wonder why that is?

That's a good question Dan. I cant answer, other than to state that I have always believed Cal, Stoops, and the staff as well as all our kids were not supporting anything other than the Black lives that concerned them, by using a common slogan. One that another related entity also adopted as their unofficial title.

No doubt a good number of members of each organization are involved in protests also. But is it easier to believe everyone including almost all of to college, high school and professional sports as well as America in general are supporting a radical "terrorist" group, or in fact the above?

[kingcat]

At least read what I stated with an open mind.

[kingcat]

No misunderstanding from me

https://youtu.be/PdAL_-kapQY

The KKK started as a social group. Like BLM, it became an organization that advocates murder. NEVER expect any sympathy from me to any organization that calls for killing anybody...be it the KKK or BLM

I can agree with that. As would Cal, Stoops, our staff and players as well as most every protester on the streets of America. Black lives matter is not an organization of any kind. It is a movement.. There is an organization of another name (Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation) that operates a website called blacklivesmatter.com. because they secured that .com before anyone else did.. And at least fifty other related but separate organizations.

[kingcat]

https://capitalresearch.org/article/...-lives-matter/

[KeithKSR]

I can agree with that. As would Cal, Stoops, our staff and players as well as most every protester on the streets of America. Black lives matter is not an organization of any kind. It is a movement.. There is an organization of another name (Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation) that operates a website called blacklivesmatter.com. because they secured that .com before anyone else did..

It is both an organization and a movement. Some are involved with one or the other, some are involved with each. The organization is Marxist.

[Catonahottinroof]

Marxism is in BLM’s roots.....

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co...ained-marxist/

[kingcat]

Marxism is in BLM’s roots.....

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co...ained-marxist/

You refer to “Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.” also referred to as BLM Global Network Foundation

[Catonahottinroof]

Semantics Kingcat......

[kingcat]

No, the fact of the matter is that most who march peacefully saying Black lives matter are fine people and fine Americans holding no malice towards any individual, not holding hate, contempt, and a cultured mistrust in their heart towards them. That includes the people I listed above.

It is not semantics, but apparently some throwing the entire baby out with the bath water to fit a political talking point.

Why else not address the content of what I wrote and the site I linked? Perhaps some either refused to read, or failed to comprehend what was said. Preferring instead to stick with their handy dandy talking points..

There should have been no argument in this thread. Maybe a differing evaluation of the facts presented but no argument.

[CitizenBBN]

You refer to “Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.” also referred to as BLM Global Network Foundation

The problem is that the movement, which I agree is supported by a lot of people with good intentions who do not support Marxism or the Nation of Islam etc. roots, are giving them great political power.

Look at the results of this in policy. All of the focus is on limiting law enforcement, with absolutely no focus on the problems that are factually far greater plagues on minority communities.

Who have you seen demanding one of the two keys to the economic advancement of any person or group: education and jobs? Those are the two keys. that is how several other minority groups, nearly dozens, are now per capita better off than traditional "WASPS". b/c they focused heavily on education and jobs in their communities.

Minorities in Chicago probably have had bad experiences with the police, I'm sure that's the case, but they also have 12-15 people killed and dozens more wounded every weekend in gang violence. yet the call is for LESS policing? seriously? That is going to improve those neighborhoods? Heck, the cops won't go there now after dark.

So while it's true many who support "Black Lives Matter" do so for goals I would agree with completely, such as equality for all, the policy outcome I fear will have almost nothing to do with improving the lives of minorities, or creating more equality, and certainly not creating more unity.

I would rather such a movement be born in the ideals of Dr. King, who would never have condoned the violence, the looting, or the other usurpations we are seeing including rich white kids rioting in the name of causes and then going back to their Hamptons estates.

But I see very little of Dr. King in the current movement as it inherently is based in identity politics that is inherently divisive. Dr. King was about finding common ground and understanding and building those relationships, and this seems to be focused very little on those things. It is far more Malcolm X than Dr. King.

[catmanjack]

I am not confused and understand fully what BLM represents.
When you support something you should fully understand what you are supporting so shame on those that do not.

[Doc]

Guess we will disagee. For me, people chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry like bacon" are not good people. And if you associate with those type of people, you are either ignorant of what they want or you are not a good person

[catmanjack]

BLM does not have nor care for the best of any American, maybe that is the biggest misconception.

[Catonahottinroof]

This argument that is being presented is similar to the ones socialists presented when The Soviet Union failed, when the Eastern Bloc failed, Venezuela, or any government that has controlled the means of production has failed, or destined to fail That’s not true socialism....
Well, you are painting a picture of what BLM is from what it is you discern BLM....like it’s not “true BLM”
The portion of BLM that is very well funded is entirely run by those with a Marxist background. Something the leaders won’t deny, but proudly wear on their sleeves. That is who sets the agenda, talking points etc...

[kingcat]

Some very good thoughts Citizen, and a slightly different perspective. But I'd submit that what is giving them power is the desire to make them the focal point so that all become culpable. The danger in believing the protests should be halted due to the violence, gives power to the opposition to stop any such exercise and diminishes our constitutional rights.
Case in point, https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/...floyd-72041173

Still, I see your point and agree those are the sticking points and road blocks that must be addressed. But the average man and woman out on the street, who most believe represent the huge majority, are not concerned with those organizational things and have what they consider a much bigger task at hand. Limiting those who would endanger their lives and the lives of their family and friends. And raising awareness.

Agree with them or not, their desire to do so is understandable and the methods afforded them constitutional.

[kingcat]

This argument that is being presented is similar to the ones socialists presented when The Soviet Union failed, when the Eastern Bloc failed, Venezuela, or any government that has controlled the means of production has failed, or destined to fail That’s not true socialism....
Well, you are painting a picture of what BLM is from what it is you discern BLM....like it’s not “true BLM”
The portion of BLM that is very well funded is entirely run by those with a Marxist background. Something the leaders won’t deny, but proudly wear on their sleeves. That is who sets the agenda, talking points etc...

Only because those are the very voices the extreme opposition wants to publicize and give the loudest voice. And every other voice is put down and belittled because of it by those same individuals. But truth will win out even though some continue to refuse to acknowledge the extreme majority out in the streets.

Folks here have trashed the UK athletic programs, degraded the staffs, and slung insults at our young men. The athletic programs at the University many here once supported. Not once paying attention to what they as individuals had to say but with their minds already made up.
But there are multiple millions marching in support of the movement and a hundred million who applaud their effort. And only a small percentage represented by those entities you actually prefer to limit the discussion to.

Because admitting anything else changes the narrative. And acknowledging the facts on the Black lives matter movement I posted above would serve to do the same. And the
thought of doing that angers some people.

EDIT:
Respectfully and despite what Chuck said about MLK, i think you can stay within our borders to find the necessary similarities. It is eerily reminiscent of the civil rights movement in many ways, as is the response to it.

"A livestreamed video two days later, on May 27, showed “Umbrella Man” walking along the front of an AutoZone store and breaking out the windows with a sledgehammer. Some protesters confronted the man and asked him to stop.

Before that, the man, who was carrying a black umbrella, spray painted “free (expletive) for everyone zone” on the front doors, police said. The AutoZone fire was the first that firefighters responded to during the civil unrest, Assistant Minneapolis Fire Chief Bryan Tyner said Tuesday.

In the affidavit, Christensen wrote that she watched “innumerable hours” of videos on social media platforms trying to identify the suspect with no luck. Finally a tipster emailed the Minneapolis Police Department identifying the man as a member of the Hell’s Angels biker gang who “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest by breaking out the windows and writing what he did on the double red doors,” according to the affidavit.

"An investigation found that the man was also an associate of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a white supremacist prison and street gang based mainly in Minnesota and Kentucky. Several of its members were present in Stillwater, in eastern Minnesota, late last month when a Muslim woman was confronted by a group of men wearing white supremacist garb."

[dan_bgblue]

It appears to me that the part of BLM that claims to be peaceful and not a Marxist revolutionary group would come out of the shadows and announce who they are, what they stand for, and disassociate their group from the others that are giving their efforts to effect social change a bad name.

A black man running for a house seat in Utah apparently does not know how to differentiate among the various BLM groups, what they stand for, who their leaders are, and what their methods of protest are.

Linkage

[Darryl]

Disgraceful that anyone can take the time to post their support for these thugs:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-le...n-this-system/

Darryl

[UKHistory]

Guess we will disagee. For me, people chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry like bacon" are not good people. And if you associate with those type of people, you are either ignorant of what they want or you are not a good person

That chant is a threat. It promotes violence. I have concerns of police brutality and excessive force. That chant is dangerous. You are not peacefully protesting if you chant that or are violent. That chant invites violence.

[UKHistory]

At least read what I stated with an open mind.

I think you make an accurate statement. Many are marching for equal treatment under the law. Many who chant the BLM slogan don’t know or fully understand it is a larger movement.

That lack of awareness though is dangerous

[Darryl]

I will support anyone that comes out and says they are in favor of all people getting equal treatment under the law.

Anyone that supports the group Black Lives Matter can go to Hell. Calipari is nothing to me now but a spineless jellyfish.

I’m sure he cares not at all; and neither do I

Darryl

[KeithKSR]

I think you make an accurate statement. Many are marching for equal treatment under the law. Many who chant the BLM slogan don’t know or fully understand it is a larger movement.

That lack of awareness though is dangerous

That is for sure. Many have no idea that BLM endorses the destruction of our government system in favor of installing Marxism.

[Catonahottinroof]

Exactly. The groundswell of support and donations have went to the group that espouses that very idea.

That is for sure. Many have no idea that BLM endorses the destruction of our government system in favor of installing Marxism.

[catmanjack]

Sorry to say but young white adults ( mainly young white girls) are very easily influenced and that is how this Domestic terrorist group has gained so much attention.

[catmanjack]

There is a very lazy give me everything attitude going on with the young white kids, lack of respect and wanting to work hard mentality.

[Darryl]

BLM certainly deserve to be defended by these liberals:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...es-inside.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protester...uties-ambushed

Darryl