Antifa

[KeithKSR]

Why do politicians continue to promote this group of violent extremists? Wearing masks and attacking people with pipes and clubs, these thugs assault anyone they disagree with.

Over the weekend one of them, Willem Van Spronsen, attacked an immigrant detention facility out in Washington, although many won’t have heard about the incident that has gone underreported by the pro-antifa media.

[Doc]

Why? Because they advance liberal views. The left abhors violence to the point the will blame Trump or gun owners or racists for any violence regardless, lecture on the evils of violence..yet turn a blind eye to Antifa. No different than the uproar over Trumps recent tweet towards people who have the stated goal to impeach the mother ######. Now if a conservative referred to any liberal, leftist or democrat...or the past president in such terms it would draw massive criticism, and rightly so but a different set of standards and rules apply to liberals. They can call the President a traitor, a Nazi, or throw out anti-semetic remarks, etc without repricussions yet when they have an organization that advocates and utilizes violence, then the ends justify the means. We saw the same with Black Lives Matters...a group that supported violence on police officers. Same deal

[KeithKSR]

I guess it would shock anyone to learn that BLM supports Antifa.

BTW, is there any greater misnomer than Antifa? People are clueless that Nazism and Communism have their roots in socialist movements.

[CitizenBBN]

I guess it would shock anyone to learn that BLM supports Antifa.

BTW, is there any greater misnomer than Antifa? People are clueless that Nazism and Communism have their roots in socialist movements.

"Antifa" is the definition of fascism, and exactly emulates the early beginnings of the Nazi party (the Brown Shirts), the youth groups that supported Franco, the German Communists, etc.

Physically threatening and beating people who disagree with you ideologically so they'll shut up is pretty much the working definition of fascism.

The fact so many on the left no longer see what they are becoming is deeply disturbing. Only a rare few like Alan Dershowitz continue to speak out for true liberalism, including civil liberties.

[KeithKSR]

"Antifa" is the definition of fascism, and exactly emulates the early beginnings of the Nazi party (the Brown Shirts), the youth groups that supported Franco, the German Communists, etc.

Physically threatening and beating people who disagree with you ideologically so they'll shut up is pretty much the working definition of fascism.

The fact so many on the left no longer see what they are becoming is deeply disturbing. Only a rare few like Alan Dershowitz continue to speak out for true liberalism, including civil liberties.

The gullible fools that follow the left have no concept of history. They either have no idea or are willfully blind to the facts that the Bolshevik and Nazi movements were socialist movements. Many of Bernie’s “Democratic Socialist” ideas come straight out of Chapter X of Josef Stalin’s 1936 Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

[dan_bgblue]

Many of Bernie’s “Democratic Socialist” ideas come straight out of Chapter X of Josef Stalin’s 1936 Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

https://www.departments.bucknell.edu...04.html#chap10

[CitizenBBN]

The gullible fools that follow the left have no concept of history. They either have no idea or are willfully blind to the facts that the Bolshevik and Nazi movements were socialist movements. Many of Bernie’s “Democratic Socialist” ideas come straight out of Chapter X of Josef Stalin’s 1936 Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

Fascism by definition is government control. Hard to have Government control when your side, modern American "conservatives", largely want as little government control as possible.

It's absurd to be honest. Tired and trite sound bytes that have no basis either in modern reality about who is really calling for limits on speech, assembly and thought, or in history where it's clear fascism grows not from capitalism but from the Leftist camps of socialism and communism.

And of course that's the only way it can be, b/c fascism is the imposition of the will of some over everyone for their own good, and that is the fundamental belief of socialism and communism as well.

Democratic capitalism is of course the exact opposite, believing you cannot pass a law to impose one group's will on another even if it IS better for that group in some way.

Take seat belt laws. Yes wearing a seat belt is a great idea, but I'm opposed to it being a law for adults b/c I have no right to tell you to value your own life. If you don't that's your business.

Only centralization of power can lead to fascism, and that's what socialism is all about, centralizing power into the hands of an "enlightened" elite who can make our decisions for us.

It's comical to watch people argue it the other way around, and frustrating beyond belief. A President who is deregulating across the board is pursuing Fascism? Huh? While the opposition is proposing laws that ban entire food groups and want a government agency to review our individual travel plans is somehow opposing fascism? Seriously, wow, just wow.

[KeithKSR]

Fascism by definition is government control. Hard to have Government control when your side, modern American "conservatives", largely want as little government control as possible.

It's absurd to be honest. Tired and trite sound bytes that have no basis either in modern reality about who is really calling for limits on speech, assembly and thought, or in history where it's clear fascism grows not from capitalism but from the Leftist camps of socialism and communism.

And of course that's the only way it can be, b/c fascism is the imposition of the will of some over everyone for their own good, and that is the fundamental belief of socialism and communism as well.

Democratic capitalism is of course the exact opposite, believing you cannot pass a law to impose one group's will on another even if it IS better for that group in some way.

Take seat belt laws. Yes wearing a seat belt is a great idea, but I'm opposed to it being a law for adults b/c I have no right to tell you to value your own life. If you don't that's your business.

Only centralization of power can lead to fascism, and that's what socialism is all about, centralizing power into the hands of an "enlightened" elite who can make our decisions for us.

It's comical to watch people argue it the other way around, and frustrating beyond belief. A President who is deregulating across the board is pursuing Fascism? Huh? While the opposition is proposing laws that ban entire food groups and want a government agency to review our individual travel plans is somehow opposing fascism? Seriously, wow, just wow.

Chuck, the left does what the left always does. If they are doing something and don’t want the vast majority of citizens to know about it they accuse the conservatives of what they are trying to hide. Look at the collusion stuff, Trump has been found not to have colluded, while the HRC campaign colluded with Russians and Ukrainians to come up with the fake dossier.

[Doc]

Chuck, the left does what the left always does. If they are doing something and don’t want the vast majority of citizens to know about it they accuse the conservatives of what they are trying to hide. Look at the collusion stuff, Trump has been found not to have colluded, while the HRC campaign colluded with Russians and Ukrainians to come up with the fake dossier.

And the "caging of children" at the border was instituted under thenprevious administration.

And the use of "offensive" language and not treating elected congressal members with respect whilencalling the President traitor, Nazi, MFer, etc

[Catonahottinroof]

And that is the astounding part of all this.....

And the "caging of children" at the border was instituted under thenprevious administration.

And the use of "offensive" language and not treating elected congressal members with respect whilencalling the President traitor, Nazi, MFer, etc

[UKHistory]

The gullible fools that follow the left have no concept of history. They either have no idea or are willfully blind to the facts that the Bolshevik and Nazi movements were socialist movements. Many of Bernie’s “Democratic Socialist” ideas come straight out of Chapter X of Josef Stalin’s 1936 Constitution of the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics.

The Nazis were absolutely not a socialist movement. The Nazis were and are fascists. Nothing about them was socialist, save for the naming. Communist and socialists--left wing. Nazis and fascists--wing ring. The extremes elements of fascism and communism have a lot in common as they both diminish rights of the individual.

No freedom to think or to challenge authority in either one. Love it or leave or we will find a place to leave you is the motto of both sides.

[KeithKSR]

The Nazis were absolutely not a socialist movement. The Nazis were and are fascists. Nothing about them was socialist, save for the naming. Communist and socialists--left wing. Nazis and fascists--wing ring. The extremes elements of fascism and communism have a lot in common as they both diminish rights of the individual.

No freedom to think or to challenge authority in either one. Love it or leave or we will find a place to leave you is the motto of both sides.

The Nazi doctrine contained many tenants of socialism, like guaranteed jobs, old age pensions, and guaranteed healthcare among them.

The left-right philosophies of a century ago do not fit in the modern world as nicely as the political-science eggheads like to label them. If you look at modern left-right dynamics you see governmental control as the preeminent trait. Communism with its totalitarian views is to the far left. On the far right you have those that desire less governmental control.

There are other groups that no longer fit into the left-right philosophies as well as they once did. Anarchists have been labeled as far right, but typically side with liberals. Libertarians have traditionally been labeled as being on the left, but typically side with the right as both endorse small government and less regulation.

[Doc]

Nazi-ism and Communism are similar in both are extremes of the political spectrum where as the individual is subservient to the state. Free will and making one own choices (and living with the consequences of those choices) goes out the window.