Can we all agree Ocasio-Cortez is fencepost dumb or nuts?

[CitizenBBN]

Neither she nor her party will vote for more funding to house and hold all these illegals coming across the border, yet she's upset at the conditions for their detention.

Of course what she wants is to just ignore immigration law and let anyone in the country that walks across, without detention or arrest or any legal status issues whatsoever.

And you know what? that's fine. All she has to do, being a member of Congress, is get Congress to pass a law saying that it's LEGAL, b/c right now Congressionally passed law says the Executive has to detain these people b/c it's currently ILLEGAL. Thus the term "illegal alien".

but they don't have the votes to do that, so their solution is to just let the system collapse through lack of funding. It's an end run around their own laws and the general will of the people to not have unquestioned open borders for anyone to walk across.

If the Democratic House doesn't like the conditions at the detention centers they can fix that problem. But they don't want it fixed, they want those conditions as bad as possible so they can argue against having any detention at all.

I'd say it's clever but any 7th grader should be able to see right through it.

[UKHistory]

https://www.npr.org/sections/publice...ese-internment

I am sharing this article written in 2012 discussing the use of the term concentration camp comparing and contrasting its historical use before and after Nazi Germany and the comparisons made with the Japanese Internment Camps.

The article written doesn't address immigration but discusses the use of the term and how concentration camps predated Nazis whose concentration camps Death camps.

For many of us the term concentration camp evokes the connotations associated with the Nazis.

Reading the article and seeing the term has been used in the past and how historians have interpreted its meaning may give a little context to how we are defining the camps of illegal immigrants today.

The child separation is the bigger issue in how people are being detained to me.

Immigration reform as well as determining how best to address asylum seekers is paramount.

Congress should tackle the issues and craft laws that address today's circumstances. Instead both parties, whose rich elites have benefitted from illegal immigrants for decades, defer to the executive or the judicial to make decisions.

Work to fix the system.

[Doc]

https://www.npr.org/sections/publice...ese-internment

I am sharing this article written in 2012 discussing the use of the term concentration camp comparing and contrasting its historical use before and after Nazi Germany and the comparisons made with the Japanese Internment Camps.

The article written doesn't address immigration but discusses the use of the term and how concentration camps predated Nazis whose concentration camps Death camps.

For many of us the term concentration camp evokes the connotations associated with the Nazis.

Reading the article and seeing the term has been used in the past and how historians have interpreted its meaning may give a little context to how we are defining the camps of illegal immigrants today.

The child separation is the bigger issue in how people are being detained to me.

Immigration reform as well as determining how best to address asylum seekers is paramount.

Congress should tackle the issues and craft laws that address today's circumstances. Instead both parties, whose rich elites have benefitted from illegal immigrants for decades, defer to the executive or the judicial to make decisions.

Work to fix the system.

There is one HUGE difference that is overlooked. In the given situations, the camps were not voluntary. The Japanese did not choose to be encamped. Those coming here illegally are doing so by their choice..and if they elect to, they can leave and return home to their native land. These West Coast Japanese/Americans or Russians sent to the Gulag or those inturned during the Boer War did not have that option.

The comparison IS offensive to the millions who died at the hands of Hitler and his murderous band.

[dan_bgblue]

I believe it is time for her to revisit the science, or total lack of science, behind her 12 years out prediction for the end of the world.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0627114111.htm

[Catonahottinroof]

It’s a talking point...since 1989....
https://www.apnews.com/bd45c372caf118ec99964ea547880cd0

I believe it is time for her to revisit the science, or total lack of science, behind her 12 years out prediction for the end of the world.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0627114111.htm

[dan_bgblue]

Good grief, if she is basing her prognostications on UN data, she should be knee deep in liquid trash in New York's 14th today.

[CitizenBBN]

That's the problem with Doomsayer science. It presumes a lot of fixed constants that are in fact variable. Goes back all the way to Malthus and his projections of mass starvation. he observed that population was growing geometrically and food supplies growing linearly, but of course he didn't understand that the linear growth in food was just about demand and when demand increased the growth rate changed.

In the 70s these same groups were predicting starvation and both global warming and cooling among other disasters. They all hold things constant that aren't constant, like the ability of technological innovation to create substitutes in response to demand, change in behavior, innovation that is unrelated that changes the whole equation, etc.

Does it mean we should pollute wildly? Of course not. It's clear that is a bad idea and yes if we don't do something about it we will pay a price, but it's also not a dire zero sum universe where we can only avoid doomsday by abandoning air travel and meat eating and go back to grazing on the plain in small bands of foragers and farmers.

But these kinds of crazy end of the world predictions from AOC and the UN and other groups who coincidentally all are for massive government intervention in every aspect of our lives are not a good basis for policy. We will lose our freedoms unnecessarily and in the end not even help address the problem. It will be a lose lose where the world pollutes as much or more and we simultaneously lose the principles of individual liberty upon which this nation was founded.

[KeithKSR]

There are some predictions that the coming solar minimum could rival the Maunder Minimum.

https://principia-scientific.org/stu...early-as-2020/

What will that do to the alarmists?

[Catonahottinroof]

My view of Boston University has hit new lows....since they educated this twit...

[UKHistory]

I am not a fan but the manner in which the 10-15 group photoshopped images of AOC, I am not criticizing her today

Some if not all Her policies deserve ridicule. She should not be demeaned the way the ice guards d picture her on the site. That site has 9,500 members. Not all are pigs. But The good ones are consorting with pigs.

We talked about concentration camps and what constitutes such a facility. If the guards act like nazi pigs, there is a vote for a concentration camp.

[Doc]

"And the beat goes on"

Sonny Bono 1967


Ocasio-Cortez allegedly screamed at border agents during recent trip to southern border: report

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/ale...outhern-border

[Doc]

I am not a fan but the manner in which the 10-15 group photoshopped images of AOC, I am not criticizing her today

Some if not all Her policies deserve ridicule. She should not be demeaned the way the ice guards d picture her on the site. That site has 9,500 members. Not all are pigs. But The good ones are consorting with pigs.

We talked about concentration camps and what constitutes such a facility. If the guards act like nazi pigs, there is a vote for a concentration camp.

I hope you take the same attitude to photoshopped images of Trump, such as the ones of him playing golf with Swastka golf balls, etc.... or "vulgar and degrading" comments about him which seem to be quite the rage. But I agree. Such things need not be done, and the actions of a few taint the actions of all. Of course in using the actions of a few to taint an entire group would be no different than suggesting all congress people are racist or Jewphobic based on comments of Omar Talib. One person does not speak for the group, nor do internet posts while away from.work. She is worthy of criticism 365 days a year for being a friggin idiot

[UKHistory]

Attack her For being a friggin idiot--yes. To demean in her those images in such a violent and forceful way--no.

And you are right about Trump. He doesn't deserve to be treated that way in images. And if I don't speak up then I am wrong for being inconsistent.

Criticize ideas. Criticize actions. Don't threaten a woman with rape. Those images do that. That is a real problem.

[Doc]

So, who to believe? A congress woman who has been calling for ICE to be abolished and pining for closure of detention centers, even to the point of equating them to concentration camps

or

A minister who happens to be a Latino? https://www.foxnews.com/politics/imm...y-aoc-hispanic

[UKHistory]

The redacted images I saw of the facebook page make me cringe. If those are accurate (and we can't seem to agree on what images or statement are remotely accurately portrayed anymore in this country)

I will read the article. I am unclear as to which sites were documented this group of attorneys as so spartan conditions.

Guards, all guards, have a tendency to dehumanize those incarcerated.

AOC assuredly has an agenda and position. The guards who photoshopped the images and wrote demeaning and insulting things only work to prove her point.

Treating her with respect and the folks detained at the sites as human beings goes a long way with defending our borders the right way.

There are a lot of good people who want secure borders and who disagree on the means of achieving that.

One thing you said or I interpreted you saying was the folks at the sites could leave and head back south.

If I understood your comment correctly and I am not sure of that. These folks broke the law and generally people detained for breaking the law, even misdemeanors as is the case, are not allowed to leave. Certainly underage children, separated from their parents, could not or should not be told to head south unaccompanied.

Maybe they would prefer to stay at the sites as opposed to returning home via Mexico. I am not sure. But I am not sure they are given the option to leave on their own either.

[Doc]

My position is the facebook posts are irrelevant to what is happening at the detension center. I would have more sympathy to AOC and her being disrepected if she were not so disrespectful herself. See, I take calling the President a traitor as highly disrespectful. Some might say a photoshopped image of her going Monica Lewinski on "the Donald" is on a different plane, but not me. One was a joke (poor one at that) and one is the serious accusation that the leader of this country is a traitor. I find a joke as something that some get and some don't. Being called a traitor and meaning it is far worse in my book. Said the same about those who hurled that at BHO too. You reap what you sow IMO. That said, two wrongs don't make a right.

As for the detention centers...she CLEARLY has an agenda. She voted against ALL funding bills for the border because she want no border, no immigration controls, etc so why not create a "they drink out of toilets" scenario....because democrats have a storied history of flat out lying to achieve their goals. Simply put, I don't believe her. Personally I am sick and tired of law enforcement officers being treated like ####bags because they are doing their job. Might some detention center detainee have drunk out of a toilet? Possible but I doubt anybody was force to do so. I do know this, she didn't see it. A detainee told her. Well, lets say I am skeptical. Somebody also told a congress woman that Bret Kavanugh raped them. Telling somebody something when that person has an agenda means nothing to me...zero

[Catonahottinroof]

Both sides are guilty of creating a narrative. However, there is no proof of her claim on the Detention centers.....none.
And the photos that were staged, and then propagated by the media of her looking distressed.....were looking at an empty parking lot....all for perpetuating the narrative.

[Doc]

Both sides are guilty of creating a narrative. However, there is no proof of her claim on the Detention centers.....none.
And the photos that were staged, and then propagated by the media of her looking distressed.....were looking at an empty parking lot....all for perpetuating the narrative.

Its a big fat narrative, much like the "Donald Trump is putting kids in cages" then using pictures from the Obama era as proof.

I'm not for abuse or mistreatment ... but will say if ANY OF THE DETAINES WANT OUT, THEY ARE FREE TO LEAVE AT ANY TIME and head back south to Mexico, Venezula, Guatamala, etc.... In essence they are there ON THEIR OWN FREE WILL. They are not prisoners. To leave, all they need to do is request to be returned.

[Catonahottinroof]

and unfortunately, she’s earned The skewering she getting from this whole episode. Attachment 8189

[KeithKSR]

The types of toilets she claims people are drinking out of, while at the same time claiming there is no running water. C9BB1CA6-F04E-4081-82F6-9B3C694B365F.jpeg

Obviously, clean, potable water is dispensed at the top, while the toilet portion is located below.

[CitizenBBN]

The types of toilets she claims people are drinking out of, while at the same time claiming there is no running water. C9BB1CA6-F04E-4081-82F6-9B3C694B365F.jpeg

Obviously, clean, potable water is dispensed at the top, while the toilet portion is located below.

Keith, this is the woman who raved about the fabulous new invention she'd never seen.. the garbage disposal.

Seriously, she did. She may legitimately think the whole thing is a "toilet" b/c she really is that dumb.

But she's also a socialist, and there hasn't been one yet who won't lie their ass off to promote their ideology.

[Doc]

I once urinated in a sink at Commonweath. Does that make the sink a toilet?

[dan_bgblue]

Death threats for Mini AOC.

"The Left's Harassment and death threats have gone too far for our family. We have been getting calls on our personal phone numbers," Martinez's stepfather Salvatore Schachter tweeted. "For our safety and for our child's safety, we deleted all Mini AOC accounts."

Death threats for a fun loving 8 year old?

[Catonahottinroof]

Ah yes...the tolerant left....

Death threats for Mini AOC.

"The Left's Harassment and death threats have gone too far for our family. We have been getting calls on our personal phone numbers," Martinez's stepfather Salvatore Schachter tweeted. "For our safety and for our child's safety, we deleted all Mini AOC accounts."

Death threats for a fun loving 8 year old?

[Doc]

But Baby Trump balloons are fine.

I am sure AOC felt threatened at the boarder by the agents (heavy sarcasm). Funny that nobody has backed up her story or expressed similar concerns

[Catonahottinroof]

Whoever doxxed her and her parents in the process should be subject to prosecution.....

[CitizenBBN]

Going to start eating their own. Now inferring Pelosi's shots at the young radicals are racist in nature.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oca...ut-women-color

[CitizenBBN]

Whoever doxxed her and her parents in the process should be subject to prosecution.....

AFAIK AOC has yet to condemn the threats. She may have, but hadn't as of a day or two ago.

[Catonahottinroof]

Now we will see how consistent the judiciary is.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/n...uit-trump.html

[Doc]

Going to start eating their own. Now inferring Pelosi's shots at the young radicals are racist in nature.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/oca...ut-women-color

Classic liberal approach...agree with me or you are a racist