Can we all agree Ocasio-Cortez is fencepost dumb or nuts?

[Doc]

Now we will see how consistent the judiciary is.....
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/10/n...uit-trump.html

I never saw this coming...dws.

[CitizenBBN]

I just can't process this level of irony. I love irony, but this is coma level irony:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/dem...-cortez-pelosi

Rep. William Lacy Clay, D-Mo., added to the mounting Democratic criticism of Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., reportedly calling her, her chief of staff, and the group Justice Democrats "juvenile."

"Their ignorance is beyond belief," Clay, a member of the Congressional Black Caucus, reportedly said while in the Speaker's Lobby.

His comments followed a feud between House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and freshman congresswomen, like Ocasio-Cortez, that involved racially-charged criticism.


Clay reportedly addressed the racial undertones of the criticisms coming from Ocasio-Cortez's office, saying it was "unbelievable" it would bring up that issue.


“What a weak argument, because you can’t get your way and because you’re getting pushback you resort to using the race card? Unbelievable. That’s unbelievable to me,” Clay reportedly said on Thursday.

[Catonahottinroof]

I’ll just leave this right here....

https://youtu.be/ZEFoi_leYDw

[CitizenBBN]

I’ll just leave this right here....

https://youtu.be/ZEFoi_leYDw

I'll have to watch that in sections. It's actually painful to watch how dumb she is, and how uneducated, to be a US Congressman.

[suncat05]

She might be dumb. She might be smart. But she definitely is a good little Commie.

[UKHistory]

She is also an American. I don’t agree with her. I am not a fan. But she is an American and a human being.

Trump is the single worst defender of Christianity, family values, love of country and the American way of life I have ever seen.

Telling AOC and the other women to leave the country is lacking all class.

I dont agree with them. I don’t particularly like them. But to be told by the president to leave the US and go back where you came from.

Wow.

[kingcat]

She is also an American. I don’t agree with her. I am not a fan. But she is an American and a human being.

Trump is the single worst defender of Christianity, family values, love of country and the American way of life I have ever seen.

Telling AOC and the other women to leave the country is lacking all class.

I dont agree with them. I don’t particularly like them. But to be told by the president to leave the US and go back where you came from.

Wow.

Never thought I would see the day things like this could be overlooked and even defended. As he has made claim, there is no limit to what he can do or say...none.

[Doc]

I never thought I would see the day when the duly elected president was refered to as a mother ####### while the audience applauded, called a traitor by congressmen/women, and millions of dollars of federal money along with 2 plus years was dedicated to overthrowing him. I can imagine he is tired of their bullshit

[suncat05]

I haven't changed my mind. She's still a COMMUNIST. Period. Although most people today tend to avoid using that name due to "political correctness", I am a firm believer that you call it what it really is. She might pretend to be or masquerade as a "socialist", but in the end, everything she espouses comes straight from the Marxist/Leninist playbook.
She's a COMMUNIST. Period.

[Doc]

Never thought I would see the day things like this could be overlooked and even defended. As he has made claim, there is no limit to what he can do or say...none.

Why? You overlook the disrespect slung at him for years. He told them to love it leave it. Boo hoo. He should have called them traitorists, MFing, racist, illegitmate office holders because all those are fine when used by "the squad" (I am a big fan of cheesy nicknames--dws) and other liberals like Nadler, Schumer, Pelosi, etc. and fired towards the "occupant of the White House". I would take the criticism seriously if the same standard was applied to all. You expect the President to be this kind gentler guy while he is constantly belittle, berated and attacked? He is the one "caging children" because he is enforcing the laws congress made? He is the one under CONSTANT attack from liberals but have him tweet something minuscule compared to what is hurled his way and it is now something you never thought you would see the day? That day came along time ago when the morons In MI felt it appropriate to elect somebody who would call the President, or any elect official a MFer. That day happens when the people elected a Jew hating, ISIS supporter to congress. So lets stop the faux rage about how evil Trump is because while his level of civility is less than I would like, it pales when compared to what he has been called and subjected to

[Doc]

She is also an American. I don’t agree with her. I am not a fan. But she is an American and a human being.

Trump is the single worst defender of Christianity, family values, love of country and the American way of life I have ever seen.

Telling AOC and the other women to leave the country is lacking all class.

I dont agree with them. I don’t particularly like them. But to be told by the president to leave the US and go back where you came from.

Wow.

And so is Trump. He is not a Russian plant or operative despite what the media and liberal shout 24/7/365. See its OK to call Trump a traitor or unAmerican but dare him to do it to somebody who does nothing but attack him and call him Putin's puppet and suddenly its an issue. Trump is LITERALLY being called not just not an American but a traitor to this country.

I would also take exception to family values, love of country and the American way of life statement. I don't think post birth abortion is "family values"--something the left advocates. Nor do I believe that it is a particularly Christian belief. He constantly defends Love of Country. In fact that was the entire point of the most recent tweet. Same with his stance on respecting the flag/non kneeling. As for American way of life... not sure where socialism fits in the American way of life scheme. For me, the American way of life is I am responsible for myself and my family. That isn't the governments job.

[kingcat]

Because the president, when elected, is elected to represent us all, not to disrespect a majority of people, which over time he has clearly and willfully done. If you refuse to see the difference and divert the discussion so no defense of the presidents actions are needed, the discussion is moot
Do all Republican senators and representatives represent your views, and do you respect the views and ethics of them all?

The disrespect shown here for the former president far, far exceeds anything said about the current one on this site. I don’t answer for other mediums.

And I did not attack your opinion. Either you support what he says and does or you don’t.

You make yourself perfectly clear as do I.

[suncat05]

And I concur with Doc's last assertion 100%.
Trump is NOT the demon many of the leftists try to make him out to be. And, if I'm reading the signs correctly, many of the leftists in love with Obama are fixing to find out just what a bad guy he really is. So, stand by to stand by, because a lot of people are getting ready to be severely butthurt after the Barr & Horowitz investigations are concluded.

[Doc]

Because the president is elected to represent us all, not to disrespect a majority of people. If you refuse to see the difference and divert the discussion so no defense of the presidents actions are needed, the discussion is moot
Do all Republican senators and representatives represent your views, and do you respect the views and ethics of them all?

The disrespect shown here for the former president far, far exceeds anything said about the current one on this site. I don’t answer for other mediums.

And I did not attack your opinion. Either you support what he says and does or you don’t. You make yourself perfectly clear as do I.

Sorry, but not even close how Obama was treated (and I do see the disclaimer "ON THIS SITE"...that is a cop out IMO. Go to a liberal leaning site and see who was treated disrespectfully. I make no bones that the posters here are more conservative/liberitarian, thus are going to have a slant that direction. Still, I don't think "disrespectfully" is how Obama was treated here). Obama was never called a MFer, nor did elected congress people spend 2 1/2 years trying to throw him out of office. He wasn't ROUTINELY called a traitor, rapist, misogynist, Nazi, white supremacist or any of dozens of things Trump has been called.

Getting back to the American Way of Life comment. I always pictured the American way of life to be something where we respect the results of an election. If you don't like the results...tough. If you don't like them then vote in 2 or 4 years. To me, that concept is unequivocally American. Instead we have a left who is hell bent on overturning an election simply because they lost. I didn't like the results in 2008 or 2012, but you didn't see me or most republicans acting like a bunch of jackasses. So please don't tell that it is Trump that is threatening the American system when a large segment of the democratic party is using every measure to reverse the choice of the people per our Constitution. That is where your threat to the American way is.

I also believe the American way is for citizens and citizen alone to vote and elect our representatives, not illegal immigrants. Failure to do so is a far greater threat to the American system than any tweet that Tumps makes.

I always pictured the American way of life as following the laws of the land...ALL the laws of the land. And if you don't like the laws then they need to be changed. Not the selective enforcement we saw in the past. Yet Trump enforcing the laws implemented by Congress somehow threatens the American system?

Likewise, if Trump publicly (or privately) came out and told people how to avoid the law....something democrats do in Sanctuary Cities as well as how to evade arrest in the round up of people who have been told by Judges that they need to leave this country, he would be charge with and guilty of OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE. Yet for the left, this practice is not an issue. So much for the American way of life, unless we believe in one set of rules for some and other for others?

To me, using the IRS against conservatives was far worse than anything Trump ever did or tweeted. Using a gov't agency against the people based on political affiliation is certainly not the American way of life IMO. But then that is just me.

I know many people who claimed Obama would be the end of democracy. I knew that was folly, and those who stated so were over-reactionaries. No different under Trump. Those who don't agree will cry "end of this nation" with the same tone and vigor. Somehow we survived Obama, and will somehow survive Trump.

[kingcat]

In short, I take it that means you at least sympathize if not agree with the President’s tweet.
It is a simple, strait forward discussion of a simple to understand statement by the president.

Imo, you defend the indefensible. And I don’t mean to offend you.

[KeithKSR]

In short, I take it that means you at least sympathize if not agree with the President’s tweet.
It is a simple, strait forward discussion of a simple to understand statement by the president.

Imo, you defend the indefensible. And I don’t mean to offend you.

Telling someone that if they don’t like it here to go somewhere else isn’t racists, nor is it that big a deal.

What I find more disturbing is someone being given an opportunity to denounce al Qaida and declining to do so.

[kingcat]

Telling someone that if they don’t like it here to go somewhere else isn’t racists, nor is it that big a deal.

What I find more disturbing is someone being given an opportunity to denounce al Qaida and declining to do so.

I believe you are in a huge minority. Joined by those who don’t care if it is racist or not, and those who are racist themselves, and many who would defend the president no matter what he may do or say.

There’s not much more to be said from my perspective.

[Doc]

In short, I take it that means you at least sympathize if not agree with the President’s tweet.
It is a simple, strait forward discussion of a simple to understand statement by the president.

Imo, you defend the indefensible. And I don’t mean to offend you.

No offense taken..

In short, I am tired of ONE STANDARD being applied to the President and another to those in Congress. The same standard should be applied to both. If Trump called Talib a MFer, I would not be fine with that. If Trump made truly anti-Semitic remarks (not frabricated ones), I would not be fine with that. If Trump told individuals who were in violation of the law how to evade capture, I would not be fine with that.

Personally his statement does not bother me one bit. I don't have an opinion on whether or not I agree with it. My view is tainted by disgust for the manner in which the squad ( I prefer the "moronic 4") antagonize then play the victim. Spend 2 years calling him every name in the book then cry like little ####### when he comes back at you. BOO HOO.

[Doc]

I believe you are in a huge minority. Joined by those who don’t care if it is racist or not, and those who are racist themselves, and many who would defend the president no matter what he may do or say.

There’s not much more to be said from my perspective.

I don't believe he is in the minority at all. Personally I don't believe Trump is a racist. I believe he has been called it but have yet to see a single bit of evidence to support it. Because when you disagree, the easiest thing to do is call the other side "racist". Hell, even the democrats are doing that to within their party.

[suncat05]

In short, I take it that means you at least sympathize if not agree with the President’s tweet.
It is a simple, strait forward discussion of a simple to understand statement by the president.

Imo, you defend the indefensible. And I don’t mean to offend you.

Sorry kingcat, but what President Trump said is no different than what the conservatives in the '60's said to the Vietnam war protesters back in those days.
Very little difference, as a matter of fact. And just as it was back then, it doesn't matter "who" says it, because to be able to say it in dissent is an American citizen's Constitutional right. So, in this regard, I have to respectfully disagree with you.
Hey, I am not a fan of the current President, as an individual. I don't agree with some things that he says or does, but I do agree with him on this, although I really believe he shouldn't say stuff like that out loud. And he has done a much, much better job up to this point than the previous resident of the White House did in his eight years of residing there. JMHO.

[kingcat]

There’s a huge difference. Elect an Indian or a person of color and let him as representing the American people tell a group of Caucasian’s to go back to their witch hanging plague filled European countries, and see how that flies . Then add to that scenario a history of us being owned like livestock by the very ethnicity of that leader sho spake such a thing.

But I will also point out that I never mentioned the tweets as racist yet that is where the defense of the President started in our conversations. There are many points between outright racism and sound leadership that demand a reprimand by God fearing men and women
Yet there is no line apparently that this man can’t cross with his followers. He has even said as much.

And I don’t count everyone who takes an opposite view as a “follower”. But there are many that fall into that category if one will look closely and fairly at the situation. I have friend who is now a faithful Q follower and the size and depravity of that group is overwhelming. Last week he informed that it had been proven there was a giant Q at the end of every rainbow but the Queen and the Obamas were forcing the proof withheld from the population
Before anyone laughs at that, take a look the number of followers who believe in that cause and that the Jews are the enemy of all society. And that the alien from the future was here to assure Trump gets to the bottom of the shadow government.

It is Supreme Idiocy with the support of the White House. And it is being perpetrated on many levels

[CitizenBBN]

Because the president, when elected, is elected to represent us all, not to disrespect a majority of people, which over time he has clearly and willfully done.

"You didn't build that" was beyond disrespectful to me and those who work to build their own businesses, but I don't recall people being too upset about it when it didn't call them out.

As for this notion the President should "represent us all", who was it that, when faced with that claim said "elections have consequences" in his dismissal of the opposing viewpoint?

it was OK when that President was implementing an agenda that disrespected a lot of Americans, but now it's not OK when that goes the other way?

[CitizenBBN]

In short, I take it that means you at least sympathize if not agree with the President’s tweet.
It is a simple, strait forward discussion of a simple to understand statement by the president.

Imo, you defend the indefensible. And I don’t mean to offend you.

Do you know what he actually tweeted?

here's the relevant part:


"Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can't leave fast enough."


And there's more. It was a pretty long statement really.

Is that "simple"? To me it's pointing out that their corrupt, socialist/communist ideology has failed everywhere else and their attempt to drag out country down to their level should be rejected.

It was a dumb way to put it IMO, but that's not exactly surprising for Trump. He tweets lots of absurd, over the top stuff. He loves trolling. I think it's a mistake, but he loves it and it clearly won't stop.

"America Love it or Leave it" is a decades long saying that has been used by a TON of politicians and others, and they weren't considered racists for it. Now it's apparently racist, along with wanting an actual immigration law of some kind.

Trump can be a complete ass, but as Doc said it's OK for senior politicians to call him a Traitor, a Russian spy, a Nazi, etc. but suddenly his comments are over the top and out of line?

Sorry, but in this mud slinging fest Trump has gotten more than he's dished out. I'm tired of the mud, but let's not pretend he's not got it slung at him by the truckload on a daily basis, and things just as negative as his tweet.

Yes AOC is an American. So is Trump, yet you and others even on here have said as much that he's not, that he's a Russian spy and a traitor, right? So your calling a fellow American a Traitor without any proof whatsoever is OK, but telling AOC to leave and go fix some other country and then come back is worse? Or is it just b/c he's President and he can't behave like AOC and Omar have towards him?

I won't defend his over the top behavior, never have and won't now. It's absurd and boorish and childish. But it's unfair to act like he's crossed some new line here that wasn't crossed long ago in the attacks and accusations and false claims leveled at him by so many. We spent two years checking out many of those claims and they turned out to be completely false, yet they are still made against him without apology.

It's ugly right now, but neither side is backing down. And as long as we have sitting Congressmen proposing laws that will set up a federal agency to approve our private travel plans I guarantee you it's going to get even more ugly b/c now we're fighting for the soul of this country.

[Doc]

"You didn't build that" was beyond disrespectful to me and those who work to build their own businesses, but I don't recall people being too upset about it when it didn't call them out.

As for this notion the President should "represent us all", who was it that, when faced with that claim said "elections have consequences" in his dismissal of the opposing viewpoint?

it was OK when that President was implementing an agenda that disrespected a lot of Americans, but now it's not OK when that goes the other way?

Not only that but why is it that the elected President has one level that he must stay on but congress(wo)men have a different one? its OK for elected officials to call the president illegitimate, racist, nazi, etc.... but the President saying "love it or leave it" is somehow not representing the people? Folks can claim I'm a Trump supporter all they want. Like the chant of "racism", saying it does not make it so. There are a multitude of things about Trump I don't like. I feel comfortable saying you are the same. One thing you won't see me doing is teaching my kids to chant or sing the praises of Trump....unlike the democrats did with Obama. Kingcat is right, there is a difference. Only problem is the difference is one was called (and treated like) a messiah and one is called a Nazi.

[Doc]

and as long as we are being 100% accurate...Trump NEVER told them to go back to their countries. Sure the reference, and inference was there but he didn't say "Go back to Somilia, or Peurto Rico, etc..." He said ""Why don't they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how it is done. These places need your help badly, you can't leave fast enough." You ever been to the Bronx? You ever been to Detroit? Broken and crime infested certainly describes both.

[Doc]

Here is the entire tweet...cut and pasted

....and viciously telling the people of the United States, the greatest and most powerful Nation on earth, how our government is to be run. Why don’t they go back and help fix the totally broken and crime infested places from which they came. Then come back and show us how....
32,006 replies 38,331 retweets 180,693 likes

Nope, no go back to your country. GO BACK TO YOUR PLACES FROM WHICH YOU CAME.

See, words, like black lives and election consequences, do matter.

[kingcat]

Does anyone honestly believe Trump meant go back to their district or what have you? Even our excellent lawyer friends here wouldn't dare attempt to twist his meaning that much.

[Doc]

Does anyone honestly believe Trump meant go back to their district or what have you? Even our excellent lawyer friends here wouldn't dare attempt to twist his meaning that much.

I don't know what he meant, but I do know what he tweeted. I leave it to liberals to determine how to define what he meant so it will be as racist as possible, so it fits their "impeach Trump" agenda. I do also know that he said for them to come back and show us how its done. So contrary to how it is portrayed, he did not even say "love it or leave it". He did not say get out of WHITE AMERICA or anything along those lines. I guess when it comes to accusing somebody of being a racist, I tend to error on the side of caution. Racism is not the first thing I think of when somebody disagrees with me, and before I label somebody with such a vile and disgusting adjective I want to be 100% certain.

See for me, that is the problem with defining everything with the race card. It eventually looses its effectiveness.

[dan_bgblue]

GO BACK TO YOUR PLACES FROM WHICH YOU CAME.

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Thanks for beating me to that. I parse things out by the exact words used in my daily personal life, business life, and my fun time life here. I see what was said and go from there. I do not think I am wise enough to see into the mind of another and know what they meant because they left out a word or two that I thank they would have said if they had thought to do so.

Does anyone honestly believe Trump meant go back to their district or what have you? Even our excellent lawyer friends here wouldn't dare attempt to twist his meaning that much.

As you know I am not a lawyer and sometimes take issue with the way they think but still value their input and consider them friends.

If they want to read his exact words and put their own spin on them then that is fine by me, but honest to God, my first thought when I read the words was he was telling them to leave Washington and go back to New York, Minneapolis, and wherever the other two are from and fix the mess they left behind, and once they got that taken care of to come back to DC and return to being a part of the US congress. Nothing more and nothing less. I guess that I could have looked at the 4 of them and immediately assumed it was a sexist comment, but I did not so shame on me.

[kingcat]

The president followed that tweet with other statements clarifying what he meant. I just heard him five minutes ago discussing it with reporters and he stated he meant if they don't love this country go back to the one they came from.