So which is worse, the "C" word or the "N" word?

[Doc]

Just out of curiosity.... I'm neither a woman or an african american but I got to say being called the "C" word seems more of an issue. I go to the gym or b-ball court and hear blacks call each other "N" all the time, you "Bring in here "N", etc. but I don't go hear it at the gym when women are working out. It would shock me if I hear a woman say "come on "C", you can can lift that weight"...... See what I'm saying? Now add that the left is all about not offending people, I mean they actually want remove civil war monuments because they are offensive to people who were never slaves because people fought for states rights, or are offended because somebody has a rebel flag...but calling the presidents daughter a "C" is fine. Hell, I wish Trump would call Nancy Pelosi a "C" just to see the rxn it would cause.

[CitizenBBN]

IMO the media even left off the most offensive part of Samantha Bee's line. She called Ivanka c***, but then said for her to put on something "tight and low cut" and go see her DAD and tell him to stop.

This is not the first time these TV people have implied an incestuous relationship or desire between Trump and Ivanka. I get Trump is an ass and ill spoken, but has even he said some of the truly offensive things that have been said about him? And these were scripted comments, planned in advance on these shows.

Surely implying an incestuous relationship is as insulting as what Roseanne said isn't it?

Trump isn't the only one lowering the threshold of good public behavior in this era, and you see almost no one defend Trump when he does go over the line. LOTS of people rally around comments like these about Trump b/c it's OK to say or do anything b/c somehow Trump deserves it.

As for your question I really have no answer, but clearly women define the "c-word" as a very very serious thing to say. Worse than the n-word? Well as you point out among people for whom it's OK to say clearly women don't use the c-word in jest. As for those not allowed to use the n-word I'd say they're generally equivalent in severity. Either one is going to start a fight in the right circumstances.

[badrose]

At some point in my early 20's I found the effort to insult me by using derogatory words that are intended to make me mad had the opposite effect. They made me chuckle which made them mad and usually they understood the folly of their effort and the whole thing got diffused. People usually get offended when they want to be offended.

[kingcat]

They’re both only as offensive as they are meant to be. It’s not a left or right issue..just a left or right talking point to avoid other words like, equality, disadvantaged, needy, poor, hungry, fairness, over compensated, under paid, etc...

Not aimed at the discussion here in the least. But the use of the "C" word was bound to be criticized and inserted into the ongoing left/right argument.
It was intended to be offensive as a well timed publicity stunt.

A group of women in a social setting who might jokingly use the "C" word however may or may not be intended as offensive. Same for the "N" word (which I assumed was the shortened version) The younger generation does not find it offensive if used in a positive sense. A sports team composed of both black and white players may all use the term, and taking offense then becomes the expression of racism...or naivety. Or so Ive been told by young folk.

But in general, neither a white person nor a black person, nor any other race or creed should seek to offend each other. Whether racist or not....it is still evil.

Barr is not worth defending imo.. No more than when she grabbed her privates and belched out a derogatory version of the anthem and everyone here back then, condemned her.

[KeithKSR]

A woman calling another woman a c*** is probably as offensive a comment that can be made.

[CitizenBBN]

Barr is not worth defending imo.. No more than when she grabbed her privates and belched out a derogatory version of the anthem and everyone here back then, condemned her.

Roseanne has been a hot mess for decades, and as you point out this is far from her first rodeo at being offensive. She's also all over the map politically, reflecting either the lack of ideology or the desire to simply use it for her own goals. She's supported Hillary at times, was a Green party POTUS candidate, then embraced Trump. All just an effort to be in the news.

But LOTS of people have come to the defense of Samantha Bee and other TV and Hollywood people who have said vile things about Trump and his family. All OK in the name of "the resistance".

[kingcat]

Not all Dems..just the ones who play the same games as their counterparts on the right.

And it IS all a game and an evolving type of reality tv

But right is right and wrong is wrong and its time "the people" demand they be presented as the purveyors of truth, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness, and self-control by everyone who represents us from the president on down. And allow the fact that they represent the will of the people be their only strength.
But it must be the will of the people and not the result of which money is best spent or who barks the loudest.

..or I think we have plotted our course to the finish of our journey as a nation. While we remain focused on inconsequential discussion as a people.

[CitizenBBN]

IMO it's already an oligarchy, which is what a lot of people believe who voted for Trump. They knew he was an ass, they intentionally sent someone they thought would help break the gears of a system where elites in this country are increasingly entrenched in power regardless of who wins a particular election.

Maybe Trump helps with that, maybe not, but what I see playing out is a push back on him by elites of both sides. They don't want their boat rocked. As you said, what they do now is just theater for us, but they dont' want to really change the fundamentals.

[Doc]

They’re both only as offensive as they are meant to be. It’s not a left or right issue..just a left or right talking point to avoid other words like, equality, disadvantaged, needy, poor, hungry, fairness, over compensated, under paid, etc...

Not aimed at the discussion here in the least. But the use of the "C" word was bound to be criticized and inserted into the ongoing left/right argument.
It was intended to be offensive as a well timed publicity stunt.

A group of women in a social setting who might jokingly use the "C" word however may or may not be intended as offensive. Same for the "N" word (which I assumed was the shortened version) The younger generation does not find it offensive if used in a positive sense. A sports team composed of both black and white players may all use the term, and taking offense then becomes the expression of racism...or naivety. Or so Ive been told by young folk.

But in general, neither a white person nor a black person, nor any other race or creed should seek to offend each other. Whether racist or not....it is still evil.

Barr is not worth defending imo.. No more than when she grabbed her privates and belched out a derogatory version of the anthem and everyone here back then, condemned her.

sorry, but Ive never ever heard a women call another women a "C" in a joking or jovial manner. I'd ask my sister who is about the most joking woman out there but suspect she would kick me in my ball sack. No, we strongly disagree that women can or would ever see being called a "C" as anything but the crudest of insults.

As for Bar, I'm sure not defending her but I give comedians far more latitude. Heck, I thought it a shame about Al Franken, a congressman I despised, got in hot water of his joking pseudo groping. That's what comedians do.

But my point is the uber left liberal touts they don't want to offend ANYBODY. They want safe zones for people were they can feel secure from offensive speech, and college campuses where conservative ideas are squelched because those make them uncomfortable, they demand removal of national monument and closure of parks named after people who owned slaves in the 1700's and 1800's because that is offensive yet don't seem bothered when the Presidents daughter is called a "C". Had Rush Limbaugh referred to Michelle Obama as a "C", would it been acceptable? or would it have been racist? My suspicion and hope is it would have been UNIVERSALLY denounced by not only the left but also the right.

[kingcat]

Both the d and c word are equally offensive imo. Except in porn, or so I hear

[bigsky]

Somebody is offended by everything.

[CitizenBBN]

Somebody is offended by everything.

I'd say being accused of incest or pedophilia, etc. should draw offense for anyone. Trump hasn't done anything but add to the horrible trend in dialogue and behavior, but he's far from alone on the road. Given how twitter etc behave now, i'd say he's more of a reflection than instigator, as are they all.

[kingcat]

I'd say being accused of incest or pedophilia, etc. should draw offense for anyone. Trump hasn't done anything but add to the horrible trend in dialogue and behavior, but he's far from alone on the road. Given how twitter etc behave now, i'd say he's more of a reflection than instigator, as are they all.

I agree. Although Steve Wilcos thrives on it..