Thread: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
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10-30-2017, 10:27 AM #1
Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
"If y'all, this is how I feel, if y'all think I did it, I know that I didn't do it so why don't you just give me a lawyer dog cause this is not what's up."
http://reason.com/blog/2017/10/30/he...-dog-the-court
Kinda funny. The Louisiana Supreme Court ruled that the comment above, made by a defendant only "ambiguously referenced a lawyer."
Apparently there was confusion over whether he wanted a lawyer, or he wanted a "lawyer dog."
All kind of jokes from there, no? Would that lawyer work pro bone-oh?
(I didn't really mean this to be a serious discussion, but just in case--the law in Louisiana is if it is an ambiguous request for a lawyer, police are entitled to continue questioning. For example, if they say, "maybe I need a lawyer," that's ambiguous--they didn't ask for a lawyer, they said maybe they needed one.)
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10-30-2017, 11:09 AM #2
Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
Well there's McGruff the crime dog. He probably works with lawyer dogs all the time.
changing my signature to change our luck.
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10-30-2017, 06:35 PM #3
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Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
Personally, I think the intent is pretty clear. While the vernacular might be rather uneducated and distinctly African-American, I don't think the intent is in question. If it had been spoken like the following there would be very little question how the judges would rule:
If you....here is what I think...if you think I did it, I know I didn't...so why don't you just give me a lawyer, man, because I'm not about to be convicted of something I didn't do
I tell you what, I reckon y'all reckon I did it, I know'd di'n't...so why don't you just give me a law-yer man because y'all fixing to convict me of something I didn't
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10-30-2017, 08:57 PM #4
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Id suggest making it clear one wants a lawyer in that situation.
But honestly this old country white boy would view any subsequent sentence just as ambiguously.
A legal system should not have an attitude. Its unnecessary and somewhat outside the law.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
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10-31-2017, 07:18 PM #5
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Pedro, it's ambiguous regardless of the fact that apparently Rashaad Carruth was arrested in Louisiana.
The "dawg" part could be taken out completely, he still was asking a question "why don't you just give me a lawyer", not "give me a lawyer." It's open to debate, as is everything, but is it any different from Darrell's example of someone saying "maybe I need a lawyer"? Not much IMO.
The "dog" part is funny it would seem under Louisiana law there is intentionally some gray in there, which they used.People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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11-01-2017, 07:02 AM #6
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Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
A long time ago, in a courtroom far, far away ( as in my courtroom ), we used to let people into the courtroom with their cellular phones, with the stipulation that they turn said devices off during actual court proceedings.
One day, and while court proceedings were in progress and the Judge was on the bench, a phone rang in the courtroom, and the ringer volume was turned up as loud as it could go, and the owner of said phone answers it and says in a loud, clear voice........ "Yo dawg, I'm all up in the courtroom!" ...........whereupon at such time I snatched him up out of his seat, escorted him outside the courtroom, put handcuffs on him and advised him "Yo dawg, now you gonna be all up in my jail for disrespecting the court and my Judge! Ya dig, dawg?"
That day we started making everyone take their cell phones back out to their vehicles, no exceptions.
One other time we had some guy address the Judge as "dawg" during his hearing, and the Judge went 10-8 on him. Put the guy in jail overnight for contempt of court. Using the slang term "dawg" in court isn't acceptable. Period.
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11-01-2017, 01:56 PM #7
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Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
As a side note, my Judge here is a very amiable guy, even-keeled, mild mannered, firm but fair.
But when he raises voice in the Courtroom during a hearing that he is presiding over, that's your first clue that you are FUBAR. He doesn't play with those who are disrespectful of the court.
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11-01-2017, 06:14 PM #8
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People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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11-01-2017, 06:58 PM #9
Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
Guy was talking to police and not in court however. Imo, "ambiguous" or not he was asking for a lawyer as was his right.
Somehow I believe there's a lot more to the story though.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
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11-01-2017, 07:52 PM #10
Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
The LA law is written in a way that favors the police in these situations, and we can debate if that's good or bad, but it seems this case is within that approach, slang aside.
Now if that's a good thing or not is another question. Personally I tend to favor the police in such situations, b/c I have dealt with real criminals and I know the system gives them far too many breaks.People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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11-01-2017, 08:33 PM #11
I don't want to really discuss the merits, I just thought the story was funny. But I will say for background that the guy was arrested for being a child molester. I do think they were going to do anything they could to not let that guy off the hook.
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11-01-2017, 09:04 PM #12
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That's the thing about criminal law. Of course you want to have due process, but it's also true that there are some very very bad people in the world, some of whom hide very effectively behind that due process.
As the saying goes, a liberal is just a conservative who hasn't been mugged yet.People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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11-01-2017, 09:42 PM #13
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11-01-2017, 10:22 PM #14
Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
People keep asking if I'm back and I haven't really had an answer. But now, yeah, I'm thinkin' I'm back.
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11-02-2017, 12:18 PM #15
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And some would say. a conservative is only a liberal who hasn't had their civil rights infringed upon.
I am both liberal and conservative by the way...as we all should be imoLast edited by kingcat; 11-02-2017 at 12:28 PM.
“Before I leave I’d like to see our politics begin to return to the purposes and practices that distinguish our history from the history of other nations,
“I would like to see us recover our sense that we are more alike than different. We are citizens of a republic made of shared ideals forged in a new world to replace the tribal enmities that tormented the old one. Even in times of political turmoil such as these, we share that awesome heritage and the responsibility to embrace it.”
-Patriot and Senator. John McCain
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11-02-2017, 06:40 PM #16
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11-03-2017, 08:24 AM #17
Re: Give me a lawyer[,] dog.....
Damn right,dawg. We all get because of Tubby's favorite shooter.
But if it werent for Illinois, Louisiana would be the most corrupt state.
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