A message of resistance

[CGWildcat]

I took this off a friends page on FB last night. It's a response to this Huff Post story....http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/...b02bbb1816ba26

What's your opinion of the quote?

"On the other hand, Milo is not about discussion or discourse, and smashing windows is not as damaging or even violent as normalizing hate speech. I think we should always only resort to violence when it is necessary, and in response to some hack internet troll, maybe it wasn't. But maybe it was good practice. And maybe, as our voices are watered down, and washed out, and up against very real threats from undeniably powerful institutions, we send the message that we're not complying. Against an institution steeped in historical oppression and now doubling down on a backward-moving social and political ideology, I think some fires and shattered glass are an acceptable emotional and intellectual response, and a symbol that we cannot bear the weight of bigotry or class warfare any longer. We have work to do, and its going to get messy."

[CitizenBBN]

I think it's right out of Mein Kampf.

The notion that they are fighting "class warfare" when they are the creators of class warfare, that violence is OK to silence anyone who disagrees with them and suppress free speech, these are all the tactics used by the National Socialists in the early 30s.

Milo speaks. That's what he does. Is it provocative? Yes, so is South Park. He's not even a white supremacist or racist homophobe (he's gay btw), but even if he were it's still not acceptable to silence SPEECH with violence, ever. Period.

They've crossed the line of respecting the constitution and the basic social contract that binds us all. But to extremists the ends always justifies the means, whereas this nation was founded on the principle that the means is in fact the goal, that liberty is the end priority.

I have never really believed that a true battle is brewing, but this utterly over the top reaction of the left has me wondering. They've reached a point of utter histrionics, where everyone who steps one step outside their dogma is immediately besieged with attacks that they are a racist, sexist homophobe, threatened with violence and shouted down, smeared and intimidated in every way possible.

David Duke is a racist. someone who disagrees with welfare or BLM's approach is not a racist, but to them you are, and they see no difference between that and being a KKK member. None. I don't know how you work with that kind of closed thinking, and if that's not possible then yes some kind of broader ugliness is going to ensue.

So far the other half of the country hasn't responded. We've tolerated these outbursts and attacks, but God help them and us all if people on the conservative side reach the same level of non-restraint we see on the Left.

[CitizenBBN]

FWIW I see now the mantra "hate speech is not free speech". Well in fact, yes, it is.

B/c as soon as we go down that road we hit that tough question of who determines what is "hate speech"? Milo doesn't suggest anyone be flogged or lynched, or that minorities shouldn't have the vote, or whatever. All he does is rail against modern Leftist concepts like "cultural appropriation." He comes out on stage in a big Native American headdress to slap that concept in the face.

that's not "hate speech". It's a valid debate as to whether or not the new concept of "cultural appropriation" is racist or if this is just another insane offshoot of the PC movement designed to separate everyone into their ethnic camp rather than to blend and become an integrated society.

But to the Left it denies their dogma, so it's hate speech. To 50% of this country, all that red on the election map, their dogma is just elitist crap and nonsense, so it's not hate speech to us.

FWIW for a group who generally dislikes religion it's funny how much they have constructed a religion, and an old-school Inquisition/Crusades level of religion as well. their faith justifies violence and repression of opposing ideas just as the Church of the 1200s believed it, and just as radical Islamists believe it today. That's the problem with such things, people come to believe the inherent rightness of their ideology justifies whatever it takes to impose it on everyone.

[dan_bgblue]

That's the problem with such things, people come to believe the inherent rightness of their ideology justifies whatever it takes to impose it on everyone.

yup

[CitizenBBN]

Dan, that's exactly what we're seeing right now.

it's hilarious, frightening and sad that the Left (not all liberals or Democrats, but that extreme core of the left) has no idea what they are even doing, but they have essentially formed an ideology that in its foundation is identical to Middle Ages religions, 1930s totalitarianism, etc. Identical.

At the base of them all is that simple belief: that they are so very right in their views that any means must be used to bring that ideology to dominance. period. They have lost all sense of the things that profess to be important to them, individual liberty and freedom and respect for others, etc. and have passed into the full on mouth breathing myopia of the Church of the 1200s, the Brown Shirts of pre-Nazi Germany, or the radical Islamists.

Whoopi Goldberg compared Trump to the Taliban. Honestly such things are absurd in their direct comparison, but if there is any group that is exhibiting ANY of the early signs of such a thing, it is the American Left. They obviously aren't there yet, just as they aren't Hitler yet (and again they seem convinced Trump is there), but what they don't see is that their strategy and more important their unwavering, uncompromising ideology is absolutely on par with the early movements of those sorts of groups.

Another key part of it they now share with such extreme movements is this: anyone who disagrees with them is in some way evil, so it is justifiable to take extreme action against them. It's OK to be violent towards someone who is evil even though they can simultaneously denounce violence, b/c "that violence" is justified b/c it's not against someone who is inherently their equal with the same rights, it's violence against evil and hate that must be stamped out.

When you have a group that believes:

1) they are so righteous that the ends justifies the means, and
2) anyone who disagrees with them are evil people not deserving of equal respect

you have the foundation stones for your tower of totalitarianism.

The Left have no monopoly on it, we've seen movements on the right that are in that same camp, but the difference is they were so much at the fringe and so unsupported by any normal person that they had no impact and were no threat. A few militia groups in the hills, even including the Oklahoma City bombing, weren't enough to have a real impact on the direction of the country.

This movement has vastly more members willing to take those steps, who are willing to blindly follow their ideological leader's calls for repressive, even violent action. Maybe enough to really cause a schism they don't want but don't understand is of their own making.

[suncat05]

And the violence may continue to get worse. And how about when they actively coordinate at different places across the country at the same time? That shows premeditation and malice aforethought. Not to mention conspiracy to commit crimes against the state. So could this get worse? I'm not a gambler, but I'd take that bet. And many of others on this board would too.

[badrose]

And the violence may continue to get worse. And how about when they actively coordinate at different places across the country at the same time? That shows premeditation and malice aforethought. Not to mention conspiracy to commit crimes against the state. So could this get worse? I'm not a gambler, but I'd take that bet. And many of others on this board would too.

The riots in Charlotte a few months ago is a prime example. A lot of those people were not from the Charlotte area and had to be mobilized from somewhere else and in timely fashion.

[suncat05]

These anarchists are following the Nazi & Communist playbook by the numbers. Create a problem, enact the problem, then yell and cry that the government needs to stop the problem.
Wash, rinse, repeat.

[CGWildcat]

I try to remain open minded about a lot of things going on out here, but when one of my friends outwardly displays this type of hatred I won't turn a blind eye. The person that wrote this is a young guy, probably mid 20s, and overall a nice gentleman, respectful etc. but he has made comments before in person that he has to be in public and "play nice" and "conform."

[suncat05]

I try to remain open minded about a lot of things going on out here, but when one of my friends outwardly displays this type of hatred I won't turn a blind eye. The person that wrote this is a young guy, probably mid 20s, and overall a nice gentleman, respectful etc. but he has made comments before in person that he has to be in public and "play nice" and "conform."

Then he is part of the problem. And from what you're saying, he doesn't want to be part of the solution. No bueno.
There are a lot of those type of people walking our streets right now. They only hear and see what they want to hear and see, and any dissent means that they want nothing to do with anyone else who does not see and hear things their way.
THAT is an extremely dangerous mindset, especially when it is coupled to the ideas that 1) the ends justifies the means, and 2) the use of organized violence to achieve those means is accepted and glorified.
These people are slowly dragging this country toward something that many do not want. And while many Americans were heard via the ballot box in this past election, I cannot help but wonder what the Left has for a gameplan for their future endeavors. I have little doubt as to what the endgame is that they want.

[jazyd]

Then he is part of the problem. And from what you're saying, he doesn't want to be part of the solution. No bueno.
There are a lot of those type of people walking our streets right now. They only hear and see what they want to hear and see, and any dissent means that they want nothing to do with anyone else who does not see and hear things their way.
THAT is an extremely dangerous mindset, especially when it is coupled to the ideas that 1) the ends justifies the means, and 2) the use of organized violence to achieve those means is accepted and glorified.
These people are slowly dragging this country toward something that many do not want. And while many Americans were heard via the ballot box in this past election, I cannot help but wonder what the Left has for a gameplan for their future endeavors. I have little doubt as to what the endgame is that they want.

Bingo on hearing what they want to hear. Case in point, 5 NE Patriots say they wont' go to WH becaue they don't 'feel welcome' because of course Trump is a racist. IF they have bothered to research they would have found his national spokesperson during the primary is a black female, one of his top VP's in his company and very close to his family is a black female, his campaign mgr is a female. His UN ambassador is a female. Another cabinet member is a Asian female, another is a female.

So is he really a racist, a hater of women? Bullsh.t. Those on the left refuse to acknowlege facts, they only listen to what the MS media tells them or what the lying democrats tell them.

I am afraid that in the near future, within two years, the 'deplorable's' will rearch a boiling point with this garbage from Hollywood, the media, the paid demostators, George Soros, and there will be blood in our streets.

[bigsky]

When your Senator or Congressperson (R) returns home, you better be prepared to meet them at the airport, show up at the left's phony "town halls", and protect those who serve from these media event and media promoted "actions".

[DanISSELisdaman]

This is not just spur of the moment protests. They are organized and paid for by George Soros and other socialist whack jobs trying to further their One World Order agenda and we have some Congressmen on the dole that are helping them. They of course don't have to pay everyone, just a few of the leaders, to get the protest rolling and then you get the college students that have been brainwashed through our liberal school system coming out of the woodwork to join them, as well as the welfare element that is afraid Trump is going to cut their check off! Then they top it off with a paid goon squad that comes in and turns the protest into a riot and though the violence hasn't been really bad so far, they are testing the Gov. and police to see just what their response will be. If it's not adequate, to the point that it puts a little fear in them, it will continue to escalate into full blown riots IMO. All this of course is JMO.