I hate Daylight Savings Time

[dan_bgblue]

[CitizenBBN]

I"ve seen senators citing studies attributing billions in lost productivity from a one hour shift over the weekend, with that impact on Monday, and through the week.

Never has there been a more bull**** study in the history of bad science than those studies.

I'm sorry, but every American routinely does things on the weekend that take away more than one hour of sleep, to such a degree we even built it right into the culture and language with things like "it's a school night", etc.

If we are so fragile now that one hour on Saturday night costs us billions in Monday work effort, we need to reinstitute the draft or, IMO better yet, make every young person at the age of 16 go work 2 years on a farm. that will teach you how to power right on through those 6am milkings and 16 hour days trying to get a crop in before a hail storm.

I'm fine that people like or don't like it, though they seem pretty split on which one they prefer, and I don't like losing an hour of sleep, but it is the smallest blip of an issue in my world. I lose more than that almost every night to some project that goes late or some thing that is due the next day, and no way I'm alone.

Now colleges probably need to shut down for the week so the kids can recover, with free kitten distribution to their dorm rooms....

[CitizenBBN]

I also know I may be the only person who actually likes the shift and thinks it makes sense.

The planet wobbles, thus our seasons. It makes perfect sense we would shift our clocks and keeping of time to try to better match the reality of the planet on which we live, trying to keep the middle of our day more in the middle of the day the Good Lord and the solar system has given us.

We can't change the wobble, and thus this makes sense to try to set our clocks to the same bodily rhythm we would naturally have with the planet, sans our artificial lighting.

IMO historically the best solution was to not have clocks, and more and more research is indicating that people in that time kept a much different schedule, with the day broken up into more active and rest periods rather than one long sleep period and the rest active. It's still not fully established, but it is a fascinating area of research IMO.

[blueboss]

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[bigsky]

You are not the only person citizen. Way too many people would not like sunrise to be at 9:30am on Christmas or 4:30am on June 25th but don’t think about it because we wisely adjust human time to the wobble of the earth. (Your phrase that I stole and use on all scoffers.) if time is relative, and a construct, the. Let’s
Construct it to be relative to human needs.

[CitizenBBN]

Thanks bigsky. I've been feeling really lonely defending this shift.

It actually makes perfect sense.

Here's an article from Vox that talks about how the shift causes issues b/c of the disruption of our circadian rhythms:

https://www.vox.com/even-better/2362...t-newtab-en-us


OK, I certainly accept that those rhythms are real, though they do vary by person somewhat so there isn't one impact here.

BUT, here's the thing: we are mostly still ruled by the clock, i.e. we don't change when we start or end work based on the season, but our circadian rhythms are NOT set to the clock but ARE set to the sun and the seasons.

So what happens when we don't shift in response to the movement of the planet is that our rhythms in either summer or winter will be well out of whack with the clocks that rule our lives, and will do so every day. Yes we adjust, but our NATURAL rhythms will be off as we are ignoring the sun and planet that really is what we are tuned to observe.

So if we make DST permanent what happens to our rhythms when we get up, get ready, commute and are at work before sunrise for several weeks a year, when we otherwise never do that? When we leave our kids at bus stops and they are at school and in class before sunrise in some areas?

I think what people really want is just more daylight, i.e. lock the planet in at the correct angle so it's always summer in our hemisphere. I'm all for it, but even the US Congress can't make that one happen.

I get that doing an hour all at once is a clear shift, but really? Are these people laid up for a week if they change ONE time zone?

It's a small shift, and one that is necessary to avoid having our internal clocks even more far off from the official clocks that govern our universe. It seems the best approach overall, bc changing it 10 minutes a week for 6 weeks would be way too confusing.

[BigBluePappy]

I am usually up at 4:30-5:00 am summer or winter, regardless of what time it is.
My alarm is set for 55:30 am and it never has a chance to go off.
Unless, I get an occasional bout of insomnia, then, all bets are off and I am meaner than a sore-tailed bear for the rest of the day...

Oh, and I love the extra hour of daylight to do yardwork when I get home. That is my therapy...

[KSRBEvans]

1 good thing about this: no matter when I go to sleep, I usually wake up at 5:30 am. With DST I'm now waking up at 6:30. It may take a few days before my body clock starts cheating me on sleep again.

[blueboss]

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[KentuckyWildcat]

True, but I prefer to make sure my feet are covered

[CitizenBBN]

good joke, but IMO it's those who want to stick with DST that are doing that with the blanket. No offense, but you only have longer evenings at the expense of driving to work in the dark.

Obviously night people are good with that tradeoff, and I don't like it dark at 6pm, and in St. Louis it was before 5pm in the deep part of that cycle. It was depressing coming out of your 3pm class and it was all but pitch dark and you still had a 4.30 class until 6pm. So I get it.

But I also don't like waking up, showering, cleaning up, shaving, having coffee in the dark and watch the sun come up at my office.

Of the two I think I like that option even less than it being dark earlier in winter, thus my support for the current system.

The planet wobbles, thus the seasons. It only makes sense our time keeping adjust to that wobble to try to keep us roughly centered between our rhythms and that of the planet. I absolutely do not accept these studies that claim it costs billions in lost work and sleep issues b/c of a one hour shift. I know almost no one who doesn't vary their sleep by an hour or more every single night of the week, both when they go to bed and when they get up. We can easily absorb a one hour shift.

of course the point is the planet is shifting, so we have no choice anyway. Our schedule will have to adjust to it either way, and our rhythms. I suppose moving 10 minutes every two weeks is more in sync with the planet, but also too confusing.

The one hour shift seems a reasonable compromise with the rotation of our planet to keep us reasonably in sync with it and to balance morning needs (kids at school bus stops, morning workers) with evening needs (more daylight to get things done, etc.).

[dan_bgblue]

I know almost no one who doesn't vary their sleep by an hour or more every single night of the week, both when they go to bed and when they get up. We can easily absorb a one hour shift.

Circadian rhythms are not the same thing as varying go to bed times and waking times. It takes me about a month to make the time adjustment and get back to normal. Same adaption times occur regardless of going forward or backward.

[CitizenBBN]

I know almost no one who doesn't vary their sleep by an hour or more every single night of the week, both when they go to bed and when they get up. We can easily absorb a one hour shift.

Circadian rhythms are not the same thing as varying go to bed times and waking times. It takes me about a month to make the time adjustment and get back to normal. Same adaption times occur regardless of going forward or backward.

I know it does some people, and I accept it as true, but it has no impact on me at all that I've ever noted.

Now, I'm generally sleep deprived and regularly vary my bed time by hours, and my wake up time by as much as 45 minutes to an hour, so maybe I just don't notice it.

My broader point is that our rhythms are bound to change regardless of how we keep time. Days will get shorter then longer and back again, and our bodies will know it and adjust.

I think the issue is just that we do the full hour shift all at once, but that shift seems inevitable to me. if we didn't have any clocks, as in days of old, our bodies would just shift gradually, but we do now save it up somewhat for those who keep on a clock at least.

I guess if you're retired and don't have early or late appointments it would be more like not having a clock, but I can't say b/c I don't live that life yet lol. I'm also sure some people's internal clocks are more sensitive to it, and probably to other things.

I know people who feel "jet lag" from changing one or two time zones. I don't feel a thing for 3 or less really, at least not after a day, and it's not very noticeable.

Mine internal clock so abused I guess it just gave up.

[Darrell KSR]

They should move the clock 15 minutes every 3 months. Other than the "math" involved, I think that would work well.