WOW!!! WOW!!! UNC Admits To 18 Years Of Fraud; 3100 Students 47% Athletes

Will link in a minute. Involves 3 NCAA title teams.

Darryl

link:

http://www.dailytarheel.com/article/...scandal-at-unc

Darryl

Here is one from ESPN: http://espn.go.com/college-sports/st...d-sham-classes

"When we find people who are accountable, we will take decisive action," she said.

The "she" is the Chancellor, Carol Folt. Hey, Carol, just look in a f&$king mirror.

Kenneth Wainstein, a white collar defense attorney and and chairman of the investigations group at the Cadwalader, Wickersham & Taft law firm,said he found clear evidence that academic counselors from the football, men’s basketball and women’s basketball teams asked for players to be enrolled in bogus independent study classes in order for them to be eligible.

"We found evidence that both Crowder and Nyang’oro received requests that they award specific grades to certain student-athletes," the former federal prosecutor said in his 136-page report.
In an interview Wednesday, Wainstein said athletic counselors knew these classes were grade point average boosters and steered athletes toward them for that reason.

Holy cow. not that it wasn't obvious to everyone with a pulse, but to see it in an official report. Wow.

How many wins do they have to be stripped of to fall behind the #4 team in all time wins?

BTW, steering players to these classes was the line in the sand the NCAA used in their statements about not investigating, that it was steering that would be a violation, and now here's proof of it. Or at least an official report saying it happened.

Fox Sports:

http://www.foxsports.com/other/story...c-fraud-102214

Darryl

And now your smoking gun:

A PowerPoint presentation football academic counselors gave to the football coaching staff in the fall of 2009 — when Crowder was retiring — was the clearest piece of evidence Wainstein and his team collected that demonstrated coaches' knowledge of and participation in the athletes' academic misconduct.

“(The counselors) were painfully aware that Crowder’s retirement would require the whole football team to adjust to the new reality of having to meet the academic requirements with real academic work," the report said.
"(The counselors) conveyed this point loud and clear in a meeting with all of the football coaches in November 2009.
A PowerPoint slide included in the report was titled “What was part of the solution in the past?” and listed the ways players were able to avoid doing actual work in these classes, including not having to meet with professors, go to class or stay awake.

“THESE NO LONGER EXIST,” the bottom of the slide said, alerting the coaches.

http://www.newsobserver.com/2014/10/...sses.html?rh=1

Darryl

And the NCAA still isn't going to do much of anything because now they'll say that UNC "cooperated" with independent investigators.

Just sit back and watch. Nothing is forthcoming from the NCAA. They just cannot have their "darling" receiving any penalties "after they've cooperated fully" in this investigation.

But had it been Kentucky, they would have done a 'Penn State' on us...........j/s.

All they're doing is throwing advisers under the bus. They're admitting that athletes were steered to non-classes to keep them eligible, but denying that coaches knew about it. Even though there were at least 4 football and 4 basketball coaches during that 18 year period.

The NCAA won't do anything.

If this had been Kentucky we would not be allowed to have intramurals on campus. I am sure the NCAA won't do anything. For those within UNC who are open about this I respect that immensely.

This is institutionally sanctioned fraud at the highest level. While Penn State is far worse and any school administrator turning a blind eye to sexual assault or some such criminal offense is in another category, this is from an academic and athletic perspective the worst collegiate scandal we have seen.

Eric Manual's alleged doctored ACT is nothing compared to what took place in Chapel Hill.

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And the NCAA still isn't going to do much of anything because now they'll say that UNC "cooperated" with independent investigators.

Just sit back and watch. Nothing is forthcoming from the NCAA. They just cannot have their "darling" receiving any penalties "after they've cooperated fully" in this investigation.

But had it been Kentucky, they would have done a 'Penn State' on us...........j/s.

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Of course the coaches knew nothing about it. They ALWAYS have the young men and their benefit at the heart of what they do. Winning would be the last thing on their minds. How dare anyone question that :lmao:

Yeah but...when the NCAA said that, the NCAA never thought that UNC would be honest enough to admit that they cheated far worse than Kentucky ever did.

Man, I am so overjoyed that I kind of want to cry. Those sanctimonious, self-righteous, sissy blue wearing hypocrites.

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BTW, steering players to these classes was the line in the sand the NCAA used in their statements about not investigating, that it was steering that would be a violation, and now here's proof of it. Or at least an official report saying it happened.

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What about "strict liability"??? That is to say, the NCAA regarded Memphis and Cal culpable even if they were not aware of the malfeasance...

Unc***

The NCAA may not care but the Department of Education on their accreditation organizations certainly will, and those are the bodies that affect whether or not you get financial aid and stuff like that. I can't imagine that on their next accreditation that they won't have to explain why they have committed academic fraud for the last two decades.

That is exactly right. Strict Liability.

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What about "strict liability"??? That is to say, the NCAA regarded Memphis and Cal culpable even if they were not aware of the malfeasance...

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The NCAA may not care but the Department of Education on their accreditation organizations certainly will, and those are the bodies that affect whether or not you get financial aid and stuff like that. I can't imagine that on their next accreditation that they won't have to explain why they have committed academic fraud for the last two decades.

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I'm betting it comes up. :) 3,000+ students? And the report said that number was low, they just couldn't confirm the others (not sure why not).

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I'm betting it comes up. :) 3,000+ students? And the report said that number was low, they just couldn't confirm the others (not sure why not).

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Yeah...something about those pesky organizations that expect you to actually provide an education to your students...

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What about "strict liability"??? That is to say, the NCAA regarded Memphis and Cal culpable even if they were not aware of the malfeasance...

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Exactly. Even though Cal was cleared, Memphis paid the price. Will UNC??

Absolutely mind-numbing.

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All they're doing is throwing advisers under the bus. They're admitting that athletes were steered to non-classes to keep them eligible, but denying that coaches knew about it. Even though there were at least 4 football and 4 basketball coaches during that 18 year period.

The NCAA won't do anything.

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Happened at UNC: No coaches or administration knew about it, so no penalties.

Happened at UK: No coaches or administration knew about it, so max penalties for lack of institutional control.

CBS Story:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-by-counselors

Darryl

BTW, this literally made me laugh out loud--emphasis in bold is mine:

Bob Ley‏@BobLeyESPN·2 hrs2 hours ago
Roy Williams' frmr academic advsr tells investigators he knew classes were fraudlent at the time, but doesn't recall whether informed coach

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CBS Story:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefoot...-by-counselors

Darryl

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From Darryl's link:

"The Wainstein report comes at a time when the NCAA has reopened its academic fraud case at North Carolina. Previously, the NCAA said there were no violations of NCAA policies. That was before Crowder and Nyang'oro agreed to speak with investigators.

North Carolina and the NCAA released a joint statement on Wednesday that said both sides continue to engage in an "independent and cooperative effort" to review possible NCAA violations.

"The information included in the Wainstein Report will be reviewed by the university and the enforcement staff under the same standards that are applied in all NCAA infractions cases," the statement said."

Is this not a perfect example of lack of institutional control?

To the contrary, the institution was controling all of this..

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Is this not a perfect example of lack of institutional control?

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To the contrary, the institution was controling all of this..

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Nailed it.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebask...se-but-it-wont

There is sure a lot more incriminating information coming out. Sheep U can blame 8 or ten former employees for the whole thing, but the lack of oversight from the U is staggering. Other schools have been hammered for lack of institutional control for a lot less.