Paula Deen has nobody to blame butter self

Just sayin'.

Boo!

I haven't followed the story very closely but anyone paying attention over the last thirty years knows you just don't go there, especially those in the public eye. I've seen a sympathetic argument on her behalf comparing the frequency of the "n" word in Django Unchained to what she said. They don't get it either.

Just guessing but you probably would be hard pressed to find someone from Savannah that hadn't used the "N" at some point thirty years ago no matter what race.

I hear that since her cooking career at food network is over, she is going into acting. I hear they are casting her for the newest Quentin Tarantino film: Django Rechained

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I hear that since her cooking career at food network is over, she is going into acting. I hear they are casting her for the newest Quentin Tarantino film: Django Rechained

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Legitimate LOL

No one admits to using a racial slur kinda how porn is more than half the activity of the internet but no one admits to watching any of it.

Can we consider this fallout a debunking of the "honesty is the best policy" aphorism? Do what politicians do, deny remembering doing anything without ever denying doing anything just in case proof surfaces.

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No one admits to using a racial slur kinda how porn is more than half the activity of the internet but no one admits to watching any of it.

Can we consider this fallout a debunking of the "honesty is the best policy" aphorism? Do what politicians do, deny remembering doing anything without ever denying doing anything just in case proof surfaces.

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Speak for yourself! I admit it, just not to my wife.

It looks to me like the media has latched onto the N word thing because that's what they knew they could get a rise out of people with, and it obviously worked. But when you scratch a little deeper, it looks like she as the CEO really did need to rein in her out of control brother, and not doing that is the real problem that has led to all this.

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It looks to me like the media has latched onto the N word thing because that's what they knew they could get a rise out of people with, and it obviously worked. But when you scratch a little deeper, it looks like she as the CEO really did need to rein in her out of control brother, and not doing that is the real problem that has led to all this.

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Agreed, elicat. Her brother and sons are guilty of blatant misogyny and sexism and she, as CEO, allowed that kind of culture to thrive. But the media/society is more OK with misogyny and sexism than racism, so they focus on the latter.

[especially with a gun stuck in your face while being robbed. I would have said a lot more than that.
Bet all those liberals at fod network have made fun of some ethnic race along the way

QUOTE=blueboss;95124]Just guessing but you probably would be hard pressed to find someone from Savannah that hadn't used the "N" at some point thirty years ago no matter what race.[/QUOTE]

Since Wal-Mart, and Target have both dropped Paula Deen for her use of the "N" word, will they also stick their moral guns and stop the sale of all of the hip-hop/rap CD's that repeatedly use the "N" word as well as the degrading references to white people like cracker ("C" word)??

Just ask'n...

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Since Wal-Mart, and Target have both dropped Paula Deen for her use of the "N" word, will they also stick their moral guns and stop the sale of all of the hip-hop/rap CD's that repeatedly use the "N" word as well as the degrading references to white people like cracker ("C" word)??

Just ask'n...

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Ignorant post is ignorant.

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Ignorant post is ignorant.

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Not ignorant whatsoever. You know that old saying, "The truth hurts." Not defending her, or her use of words, but there is such a double standard regarding this topic, that its ridiculous. The word is either acceptable or unacceptable, and it shouldn't matter what color of skin the mouth is attached to.

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Not ignorant whatsoever. You know that old saying, "The truth hurts." Not defending her, or her use of words, but there is such a double standard regarding this topic, that its ridiculous. The word is either acceptable or unacceptable, and it shouldn't matter what color of skin the mouth is attached to.

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Exactly...

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Ignorant post is ignorant.

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Hardly, but I'll take the high road.

ig·no·rant [ig-ner-uhnt] Show IPA
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1.
lacking in knowledge or training; unlearned: an ignorant man.
2.
lacking knowledge or information as to a particular subject or fact: ignorant of quantum physics.
3.
uninformed; unaware.
4.
due to or showing lack of knowledge or training: an ignorant statement.

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Ignorant post is ignorant.

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I don't know what is "ignorant" about it.

Fair question, blueboss.

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Not ignorant whatsoever. You know that old saying, "The truth hurts." Not defending her, or her use of words, but there is such a double standard regarding this topic, that its ridiculous. The word is either acceptable or unacceptable, and it shouldn't matter what color of skin the mouth is attached to.

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Wrong. Try again.

Look, I'm the last person to argue about whether or not words have different meaning depending on who is using them and/or when they are used. I think we'd all be better off if we just let words be words. But most people don't feel that way. People cuss sometimes, but not other times. Why? Because sometimes its OK, other times--perhaps depending on company--it's not OK. Whether or not it SHOULD matter what color a person is is irrelevant because it DOES matter to people of color, at least to the vast vast majority. WHY does it matter? Because white people have used those words, and variations of those words, to marginalize and denigrate black people for centuries. When a white person uses the n-word in referring to black people, he/she has the weight of history behind that word. But a black person using that word does not. You may choose to ignore that so you can talk about "double-standards," but the simple fact is words and symbols are offensive to people because of the context of history.

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Look, I'm the last person to argue about whether or not words have different meaning depending on who is using them and/or when they are used. I think we'd all be better off if we just let words be words. But most people don't feel that way. People cuss sometimes, but not other times. Why? Because sometimes its OK, other times--perhaps depending on company--it's not OK. Whether or not it SHOULD matter what color a person is is irrelevant because it DOES matter to people of color, at least to the vast vast majority. WHY does it matter? Because white people have used those words, and variations of those words, to marginalize and denigrate black people for centuries. When a white person uses the n-word in referring to black people, he/she has the weight of history behind that word. But a black person using that word does not. You may choose to ignore that so you can talk about "double-standards," but the simple fact is words and symbols are offensive to people because of the context of history.

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Agreed everybody quit using words that are offensive. Racism will never go away until the word "race" transitions to merely the word "people".

Boss it won't happen because of the money they make, and Paula will be back with them in a few years when her supporters continue to buy her products.

All of these heads have used words or phrases at some point tat would make someone mad but they want to appease the liberal segment of our population in order to look right. Just hypocrites

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Since Wal-Mart, and Target have both dropped Paula Deen for her use of the "N" word, will they also stick their moral guns and stop the sale of all of the hip-hop/rap CD's that repeatedly use the "N" word as well as the degrading references to white people like cracker ("C" word)??

Just ask'n...

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Not ignorant whatsoever. You know that old saying, "The truth hurts." Not defending her, or her use of words, but there is such a double standard regarding this topic, that its ridiculous. The word is either acceptable or unacceptable, and it shouldn't matter what color of skin the mouth is attached to.

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This.

Using racial slurs today is totally unacceptable. Whether you are a Caucasian or an African American. There is a double standard and it is partially to blame for the racism existing as strongly as it has for so long. Not that it is solely to blame but it doesn't help. At all.

I don't condone what Paula did, but I think she did the right thing by admitting a past mistake. I mean, really....why crucify her for being truthful about something almost two decades ago that she no longer does? Especially when other folks use the same word on a daily basis?

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Look, When a white person uses the n-word in referring to black people, he/she has the weight of history behind that word. But a black person using that word does not.

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I see both sides of this discussion as having some merit but just wanted to say this was well expressed.

Honesty, in all it's forms, is a Godly endeavor. And PD's admitting her transgressions was acknowledging the above mentioned history thus helping promote change, and shouldn't be packaged, labeled, and put on the proverbial back shelf to help sell pots and pans.

Another point I'd like to make is that many older African Americans are just as sensitive to hearing the N word from a Black man as a White man. The emotion evoked is different, but just as powerful. As a side thought..this could be another example of why God said let our yes mean yes and no mean no... There is power in the spoken word (and one day soon even more so)

Our society has learned to categorize many such things in ambiguous ways to keep excuses and blame convenient. Another of the tools in the ole devils workshop.

Declare a war on terror...and you can fight it any way, any time and against any one that fits the current agenda

Cloud the line that divides and defines bias and prejudice and the power to support a bigoted argument is always at ones disposal.

Or make a word acceptable for one man and not for another and find that the power of that word is fueled and sustained by and for each.

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Look, I'm the last person to argue about whether or not words have different meaning depending on who is using them and/or when they are used. I think we'd all be better off if we just let words be words. But most people don't feel that way. People cuss sometimes, but not other times. Why? Because sometimes its OK, other times--perhaps depending on company--it's not OK. Whether or not it SHOULD matter what color a person is is irrelevant because it DOES matter to people of color, at least to the vast vast majority. WHY does it matter? Because white people have used those words, and variations of those words, to marginalize and denigrate black people for centuries. When a white person uses the n-word in referring to black people, he/she has the weight of history behind that word. But a black person using that word does not. You may choose to ignore that so you can talk about "double-standards," but the simple fact is words and symbols are offensive to people because of the context of history.

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I will generally allow a double standard regarding use of a single word, i.e. that the group to which it is implicitly offensive can do with it what they want without significant repercussion. What I think is more difficult to support is these places selling works from people who use words that are offensive to OTHER groups than their own. Some rap artists use slurs against whites or hispanics, or even just generally offensive things like the "cop killer" type songs.

Like you I'm the last person to lobby for banning the sale of music or even taking it very seriously. I have about everything the Dead Kennedy's ever published, I listen to lots of otherwise offensive music. But I do see it as more of a double standard on their part to be so selective even when we're talking about things that would offend a group other than the one producing the work.

Of course what this is about is business. Sales and image will suffer more in their view by selling Paula Dean books than Public Enemy CDs. That's fine, I love me some business, but due to this duality in their criteria I know it's just about the money,not about morality or ethics. If they didn't think their customers would care then they wouldn't care either, and honestly that's one of the more positive points of capitalism, that producers respond to consumers and not pursue their own agendas.

So I wont' ding them for it, but I won't applaud them either. It's just business.