OT: Mass shooting in elementary school in Connecticut, 27 dead

Per CBS News, 27 are dead, at least 14 children.

Don't know if that number is correct, but horrific tragedy unfolding.

One gunman is dead. May have been two gunmen.

Terrible

As one that sends three to school everyday, I couldn't imagine he pain.

Physically ill.

Saw a video of a 3rd grade little girl describing the shooting.

3rd grade.

This is simply hard to believe. The reports coming in are the shooter was the father of one of the children.

Darryl

It's so horrible I can't even begin to describe my feelings.

I only wish the person who did it had not been killed so that he could have been used by the CIA for exploring new advanced torture techniques. Being killed was to easy for someone like this.

Why is the only think one can think of to say. I am more happy we are homeschooling when I hear these stories. I cannot imagine the loss or feelings of the parents.

Dear Lord. What a horrible, horrible thing. I have no words.

A little boy was just interviewed and said he "was happy we are alive"

Darryl

School is locked. Required I.D. before entry. Video surveillance when entering.

As much security as you'll usually find at a school.

By the way, what do you guys think about interviewing the kids during a tragedy like this? I watch their interviews, listen to them, while not happy they exist. So I am feeding the beast, I guess.

Shouldn't interview the kids. This blows my mind....there is nothing that can be done to anyone that warrants taking your frustrations out on any child. I am the father of a 5 year old and a 7 week old....so this stuff hits me pretty hard. I think all schools need to enhance security and make you enter a security code to enter the schools. Either that or put armed military at the entrances and include a sniper tower. Just senseless violence.

Spineless evil bast&#@

I don't even know what you do with that kind of pure evil. I don't know how you stop it and I don't know of any torture harsh enough if you kept him alive for 100 years to do it.

Reports indicate the 24-yo shooter is dead. His mother was a kindergarten teacher at the school. He went to the school, started shooting in the principal's office then went to his mother's room, and killed her along with many kindergarten age children in the room.

Killed his mother who was a teacher at the school....then went to the school to do this. My daughter is 5 and would be in KG if we were not home schooling. Simply, a tragedy carried out by a sick individual...

Now confirming he killed his mother and father in their house before going to the school...

According to police, Lanza, 24, is suspected of killing 27 people -- 8 adults and 18 children -- at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Newtown, Conn.


http://www.examiner.com/article/ryan...school-shooter

Don't know if it's the police that were the math majors, or the newspaper reporter....

VirginiaCat, I wouldn't feel comfortable because my kids were home schooled. Could've been a home invasion just as easily. Had one of those in our fair hamlet not too long ago, too (fortunately, the person at home had the gun, rather than the invader.)

Only way to protect is in an enclosed bomb shelter. And don't go shopping at the mall. And don't go to the movies. Well, you get the idea.

Now saying Brother of shooter found dead at apartment in Hoboken...

This guy's girlfriend and another friend are currently missing. The person they arrested in the woods nearby in camo is this guy's younger brother. This is going to end up one twisted tale even more senseless than before.

The Fox news reports aren't clear where the mother was killed yet. Doesn't mean a thing of course as most of this is coming from off the record reports.

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Now saying Brother of shooter found dead at apartment in Hoboken...

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Fox is saying his younger brother was the one in the woods. Wonder if he had 2 brothers. Imagine his GF is dead somewhere too.

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Originally Posted by VirginiaCat

Now confirming he killed his mother and father in their house before going to the school...

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Just FWIW, I've not seen this confirmed anywhere. What I've read is that he killed his mother, who taught at the school, at the school before killing the students in her classroom. Also, unlike what you indicate below, I've not seen that his brother has been found dead but rather that he has been taken into custody. That by the AP at 3:01.

This just gets me so emotional. I have 5 kids aged 17, 14, 10, 5, and 3. I just can't imagine dropping my kindergardner off at school and he never returns. I am really at a loss for words...what a tragedy...

Horible, horrible, horrible. I just can't understand people that can go this far.

State police says 20 kids killed at school, 6 adults, & the killer himself. One adult killed in NJ, probably the killer's brother.

My heart breaks for these poor babies and their families. Children are so innocent and pure in a world of sick people and in this case the evil spawns a sicko. Just so sad.

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Originally Posted by Bakert

Just FWIW, I've not seen this confirmed anywhere. What I've read is that he killed his mother, who taught at the school, at the school before killing the students in her classroom. Also, unlike what you indicate below, I've not seen that his brother has been found dead but rather that he has been taken into custody. That by the AP at 3:01.

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You are right..lots of bad info coming out..one minute brother dead,, another he is under arrest, another etc etc.

Need to step back from the emotion. Sorry guys. This really had me in tears. I simply cannot imagine dropping my baby off to school and then never seeing her again.

As everyone that's been on here for awhile knows, I am a Deputy Sheriff working for a small agency in SW Florida. I work Court Security in the county Courthouse.
Our county high school, one of our middle schools and the elementary schools are across the street and a block over from the Courthouse.
This is one of the scenarios that absolutely concerns me above all others that could happen here. And trust me, just because I live and work in a relatively quiet community, we still have our share of people that are not "quite right", if you follow my meaning. We have an inordinately high number of sexual offenders here, but we keep very close tabs on them. I mean very close. But we have not had a gun related crime around here in a couple of years now(we did have a retired Deputy Sheriff that was working as a bail bondsman get killed with a .270 rifle by a criminal out on bond that he was going to revoke bond on and return to jail), and before that it had been well over ten years since we'd had a homicide here.
I know that all it takes is one incident, and it can happen anywhere. I am as prepared as I possibly can be for a shooting in the Courthouse. I have already mentally prepared myself for what I know I may have to do. But with all of these school shootings lately, I too am concerned about having to go over to the school and deal with an active shooter. I keep extra handgun rounds in my patrol car, as well as my shotgun and AR-15 and plenty of 5.56 mm for just such an occasion.
I pray and hope that I NEVER have to use any of them. However, being as I am the closest Deputy to the school besides the School Resource Deputy, I also realize that I may be the first or second Deputy to have to confront an active shooter at the school if it were to ever happen here. Should I ever have to I know that I will have probably arrived too late to save some of those precious children, but I will stop that shooter by whatever legal means necessary to end the incident.
I hope it never happens here. This one particular scenario of an active school shooter is the one that concerns me above all other things.
Now we'll here all of the usual crap about needing more "gun control". These kinds of incidents are almost impossible to prevent. And there will ALWAYS be guns around, no matter the amount and scope of "gun control" in place. And these kinds of incidents have happened all over the world(Russia, Africa, Philippines among places that come to mind)so it is clear that gun control is not the answer. So how do you stop this stuff? I don't know, except that stopping the incident is always an after-the-fact result of response with the way these incidents always play out.

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As everyone that's been on here for awhile knows, I am a Deputy Sheriff working for a small agency in SW Florida. I work Court Security in the county Courthouse.
Our county high school, one of our middle schools and the elementary schools are across the street and a block over from the Courthouse.
This is one of the scenarios that absolutely concerns me above all others that could happen here. And trust me, just because I live and work in a relatively quiet community, we still have our share of people that are not "quite right", if you follow my meaning. We have an inordinately high number of sexual offenders here, but we keep very close tabs on them. I mean very close. But we have not had a gun related crime around here in a couple of years now(we did have a retired Deputy Sheriff that was working as a bail bondsman get killed with a .270 rifle by a criminal out on bond that he was going to revoke bond on and return to jail), and before that it had been well over ten years since we'd had a homicide here.
I know that all it takes is one incident, and it can happen anywhere. I am as prepared as I possibly can be for a shooting in the Courthouse. I have already mentally prepared myself for what I know I may have to do. But with all of these school shootings lately, I too am concerned about having to go over to the school and deal with an active shooter. I keep extra handgun rounds in my patrol car, as well as my shotgun and AR-15 and plenty of 5.56 mm for just such an occasion.
I pray and hope that I NEVER have to use any of them. However, being as I am the closest Deputy to the school besides the School Resource Deputy, I also realize that I may be the first or second Deputy to have to confront an active shooter at the school if it were to ever happen here. Should I ever have to I know that I will have probably arrived too late to save some of those precious children, but I will stop that shooter by whatever legal means necessary to end the incident.
I hope it never happens here. This one particular scenario of an active school shooter is the one that concerns me above all other things.
Now we'll here all of the usual crap about needing more "gun control". These kinds of incidents are almost impossible to prevent. And there will ALWAYS be guns around, no matter the amount and scope of "gun control" in place. And these kinds of incidents have happened all over the world(Russia, Africa, Philippines among places that come to mind)so it is clear that gun control is not the answer. So how do you stop this stuff? I don't know, except that stopping the incident is always an after-the-fact result of response with the way these incidents always play out.

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I work at a small community college and I just got on the safety committee at my school, and in response to a school killing at a community college in Casper, Wyoming(a deranged son brought a high powered bow and knives into a classroom and killed the teacher, who was his father. Before the father died he attacked the son and caused the killer to be mortally wounded, therefore no students were hurt. The son had killed the father's live in girlfriend before he went to the school, and yes this is eerily similar to today, just without guns) , we were meeting today to discuss our emergency response procedures for this type of attack. I found out about the attack today 5 minutes before our meeting, and needless to say it definitely put a pall over our meeting. What I think this shows everyone is that you can't stick your head into the sand and act like it can't happen in your community because it most certainly can, and you have to be prepared. I know that I know what we need to do and now we just need to get it implemented and make sure everyone understands how to react to reduce the loss of life. Unfortunately I am not sure that you can prevent loss of life, you just have to have a plan in place with people who can react to that plan in an effort to reduce the casualties. I hate being that dark, but this type of thing takes you to dark places.


All I know is that with my kids I have a hard time even talking about it, I just get to emotional...

My granddaughter goes to elementary school in N KY. Her school has been holding drills to teach the kids what to do in case something like this happens. It just blows my mind that an 8 year old has to learn this may be a reality that she will face. What will it take for the US to reexamine our gun laws. I'm not talking about taking them away but putting some common sense into the laws.

This tragedy is more than a tragedy, whatever that is called. I can't imagine or fathom such a thing. This has shaken me up and breaks my heart. There is nothing more pure than the innocence of a child. May God bless and comfort all those touched by this madness.
When will it end?

Those precious little children are with God and we are left to pick up the pieces. This world seems to be getting more evil by the day and it will come all to a end someday maybe sooner than many think and no I am not talking about the Myan Calendar.

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Those precious little children are with God and we are left to pick up the pieces. This world seems to be getting more evil by the day and it will come all to a end someday maybe sooner than many think and no I am not talking about the Myan Calendar.

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This is one of those times I actually hope there is a hell and a special place for people like this. Some things are beyond reason, they are just unrefined evil.

In the Middle Ages it would have been attributed to possession by a demon, and honestly they may have been right. What human could stand there and do such a thing?

I work in a hospital - in labor and delivery. Every day I worry about this type of thing occuring on my unit. I work with people who are having babies taken away by social services - people who are addicted to drugs, and people who are mentally unstable (both patient and significant other). I have been threatened by a drug dealer who told me and my fellow nurses he wanted to make sure we were all "Taken out of here in body bags". I have been hit, kicked, spit on, and had a FOB (father of the baby) carry a pistol into the room to watch his baby born. He refused to give up the weapon and I had to call security and the police to have him removed from the building. I say all that to say this = I can not imagine EVER sending my little one to school and being informed they were killed. As an adult - I know this is a horrible world. Bad things happen. Not all people are good. Not all people are mentally stable. Yet - when we speak about 5 year olds - we expect everyone will recognize their innocence. May God be with all the families who lost loved ones. I for one will pray harder for all of us.

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Originally Posted by Darryl

A little boy was just interviewed and said he "was happy we are alive"

Darryl

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I may step on some toes but this is a time to leave people like that little boy alone, they don't need to relive the experience. Freedom of press sometimes goes to far, give these kids a break. And America does not have to know and does not need to know what it was like for an 8 year old child.

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Originally Posted by Bakert

It's so horrible I can't even begin to describe my feelings.

I only wish the person who did it had not been killed so that he could have been used by the CIA for exploring new advanced torture techniques. Being killed was to easy for someone like this.

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Not me, glad they put an end to that life. No chance to do it again, live 15 to 20 years in prison, millions of dollars spent on process before death chamber. And it could go on and on.

It is so bad on so many levels. I guess I am struck with even more disbelief that the man killed his mother at her home AND then went to the school and killed children and a substitute teacher.

I am asking why in an attempt to better understand madness and cruelty.

That is an impossible thing or at least I really don't want to understand that point of view.

Babies. Just babies.

Hold yours tight. Love those around you. Make the world a better place because of the evil we have just been confronted with facing.

More guns will not stop evil. But we as a country need to do a better job of identifying mentally ill people who are capable of this type evil. This young man was mentally unstable who stole his moms guns....that we're bought legally....killed the mom and then slaughtered those babies. No gun law would have prevented this.

We continue as a country to adopt more and more liberal anything goes attitude, no right and wrong but just grey areas. We have kicked God not only out of our schools but in every phase of our government even though out founders had a strong belief in Him. We have allowed millions of babies to be killed and call it abortion and women have rights to do what they want with their bodies without regard for the baby

We give more and more money to those who refuse to work and take from those who ar doers.

Our country is changing and IMO. Not for the better and look where we are now.

I was sick whEn I heard the news, I thought about my 2 young grandchildren and how I would feel if this happened to them

This is not the time to be like the liberal politicians who rush to use anY tragedy for thei political views w/o knowing the facts

Instead of worrying about laws we all should have been praying for those babies, their parents and families, and for those that survived. I prayed a long time last night for all of them and then had a long conversation with God asking Him how this could happen. I was not happy with Him but know He understands and like a good Father He listened and now I have to listen to whatever His answer is.

This is evil pure and simple and we all, liberal and conservative alike, need to work together to do what it takes to solve this problem

Just got through putting under dash lights in my grandsons car and talking to him about this.
Thankful I have all 8 to still call my own.

Lord, I am so thankful, and so sorry for what the parents and grandparents are going through right now.
Please be with them and comfort them as only You can.