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That's gotta be a first for him!
Myself, I'd be thrilled if he'd flap those gums a whole lot less......but that's just me.
Like the good Communist/socialist that he is, he just can't help himself. Gotta flap that gator, doesn't he?
Wow! Just heard on the news that there has been a " mass shooting" in San Bernadino, California..........talk about timing, huh?
based on reports, this was not a lone gunman situation. This was a coordinated attack. Suspects had body armor, AK-47 style rifles (who knows the truth of that, look at the medias gun chart). Some unsubstantiated (at this time) reports of middle eastern men involved in the attack. The attack was at a Christmas party at a social services building for disabled people. Everything about this screams ISIS and their ilk. Designed to manipulate us into a ground war so they can fulfill their death cult end-of-times prophecy. They want troops in Raaqa because of what they believe will happen.
Whether it's terrorism related or not, we're going to see two things happen: 1) Obama and his ilk yelling for more gun control, and 2) the federal government continuing to do little-to-nothing to protect Americans from this kind of incident.
Live feed of the police radio:
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Ongoing car chase, shots fired at the police. Very intense situation.
An attack against county employees always makes me think "militia" since that was the primary threat when I was the County Treasurer.
"A senior federal official who is monitoring the case said investigators believe one of the shooters left the party after getting into an argument and returned with one or two armed companions."
"Investigators believe there were three gunmen and one of them had worked at the facility and recently had a dispute with fellow employees, according to law enforcement officials. A witness has told police that although the gunmen had their faces covered, one of them sounded and appeared very similar to an employee who had left the facility earlier in the day. “They had their appearances covered but a witness believed it had been someone who worked there,” said one official."
It seems weird that the whole thing os based on a workplace argument because of how well planned and organized it was.
And explosive devices, assault gear, semi-auto military type weapons? And a safe house?
You're making way too much sense with that statement sky! You're apt to be called out for being racist or something!
Well, "domestic terrorism" like Timothy McVeigh types seem very possible- AND the FBI would be involved in that scenario every bit as much as islamic terrorists.
Reports indicating that the shooters were Islamic.
I sense a work place violence will be the culprit. Won't be terrorism because we cant have a terrorism attack against America under Obama, at least officiallyQuote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
This will end up being "workplace violence" like the Korean war was a "police action".
I don't know any real info,no one does, but bigsky is right this is way too organized and ready to go to be random workplace hotheads.
Sayeed Farook huh? Must be of the Alabama Farook's....white supremists and big NRA supporters those Farook's are......dws
sounding more and more like Islamic terrorists because CAIR is holding a press conference to lie to us. and Miss bin ardogan of Qatar 2nd suspect. It's not Granma White from Lewistown Montana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catonahottinroof
Junior and Lulu Farook
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Now bin ardogan a hoax, cops now looking for Ben Dover and Hugh Jass.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
Two Muslims, in an obviously premeditated way, shoot up a Christmas party and nobody is brave enough to call that a religious hate crime or Islamic terrorism ?
Couple's house was "an IED factory".
At least we did see the Bearcats used for something other than donut runs and anti protestor tear gas dispersal.
What Doc said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
This incident looks like it was planned. My question is what were the words at the party about? Was this contrived due to an argument that was staged? And if so, then this whole incident was premeditated. Why? For what?
Now watch this administration fall all over itself trying to call this 'workplace violence' when it may be very likely that it was a planned terrorist attack. But as Doc said, we can't have it called that, as it will conflict with O's real agenda.
Could be the argument was about a Youtube video :533:
Or too much sugar in our Cola :533:
Or climate change/global warming :533:
I hear all those can cause violent outbreaks too. What we know that it isn't is a radical wing of a middle Eastern religious group.
The media has been gradually covering this as a radical attack.
One theory of mine is that the workplace was NOT the intended target. It is just TOO random and too strange and honestly not high value enough. What if he actually had planned a DIFFERENT attack (which would explain the 12 pipe bombs found at the house) but got in a heated argument with someone at work and lost control of his emotions. His initial target in LA, would be somewhere heavily populated and easy to atta (LA is full of those kinds of places). The argument triggers him and he loses it. Basically, said **** this, now is good enough these people need to die and shot up the workplace as a result. The ecknd result would be mixed motives, both a workplace incident AND a radical terrorist attack in one. Frankly, I think the evidence makes it almost blindingly clear that the place he shot up was NOT the place he had planned to attack. Otherwise, he would have brought ALL of the bombs, all of his ammunition, taken hostages, etc. He left much of his stuff at home (almost all of the explosives except one), much of the ammunition in the car, etc. All of it screams, this place was not the intended target.
EDIT: you guys need to add f***ers and motherf***ers to the word filter. It didn't catch them so I changed it.
Pedro, NOBODY thinks this is actually "workplace" violence, however I'll bet the administration tries to pass it off as such like they did the Fort Hood shooting. Its important that they can say "no terrorist attacks occurred on American soil during their administration". This administration is long on spin and misdirection. Not much different than other administration except they are more blatent about it. The Fort Hood shooting is but one example. Same with the Bengazi youtube video excuse.
Pedro, authorities are starting to say they were planning a second attack. I think you're right, that "second" attack was going to be the first one, they decided to shoot up the Christmas party first and got caught before they got the second one started.
Jeff has once again nailed it. This country is so sick in the head there are calls to end Christmas parties to avoid offending people yet this won't be called a hate crime.
Guys, this is terrorism and a hate crime, and the absolute worst thing anyone can do in the face of such things is to give in to their demands. If this was a lynching the last thing Obama would call for is for people to be "less black" in some way, nor should he. Yet we've seen calls all over the place for this nation to be less western, less Christian, less whatever, all under the name of "tolerance" and not offending people.
There is no right to not be offended, and the fact that some who are offended think it's OK to murder others over their offense doesn't change a thing.
You misunderstand what I'm saying. I am not saying he wasn't a radical Islamist. He 100% guaranteed was and he intended to commit mass murder. I'm just saying, this target made no sense. If this was his intended target, he would have brought the full armory. Instead he brought only a small fraction. We have no clue what his target actually was. For all we know, it might have been the UK game, God forbid. It certainly would fit their recent M.O. It makes much more sense to believe he had "bigger" targets in mind and something set him off here and he snapped. You don't make twelve pipe bombs without intending to use them. If this was the target, why didn't he take all twelve? Why only one? Same with the gun and ammo. Why only bring some if this is your target, why not all? Lastly, if this is your target; why only kill a "few" and leave? Why not methodically kill them all to maximize your body count and effect?Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
As for the no terrorist attacks, there is no way that the administration can say that, even if they want to or try to. Between the various Islamic based shootings (including Fort Hood), the white supremacist shooting at the church, to the Planned-Parenthood shooting. These have all been terrorist shootings on their watch.
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OK, now I understand what you are saying.
A fellow worker said he just got up and left, no arguement. Maybe the fact it was a Christmas party triggered it, maybe not. But since the house was full of ammo and pipe bombs and tools and material to make more, was that just a staging place for mor Muslims for several attacks? With reports of mant people coming and going several attacks might have been planned. Rented SUV? Why?
Was he or his wife on a FBI watch list?
I have no doubt they planned either one larger big attack on a higher profile target or were going to go on a spree and sustain it as long as possible. They didn't just let themselves get killed, the fought it out. They were going to do as much damage as possible.Quote:
Originally Posted by jazyd
They shot Santa Claus.
These two were obviously not worried about dying, either. And I also agree that there was something else intended because of all the ordnance & materials in their home. And there can be zero doubt that this was planned, because of the clothing worn, the vests and the small arms weaponry.
This was a terrorist attack, plain & simple. It could also fall under workplace violence, but the terrorism aspects of this, especially with the foreign jihadist connections, all of the overseas travel, and the fact that they were both apparently devout Muslims can only give creedence to this being a terrorist attack first. JMHO.
However,this current administration and ALL of their drones in DHS & the FBI will do backflips to keep from calling this a terrorist attack by radical Muslim jihadists. Just stand back and watch.
This country is NOT calling an end for Christmas parties. Relax. The "war on Christmas" is a complete myth.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
You're right that this is a hate crime and an act of terrorism. Every mass killing is exactly that, no matter what radicalizes it. Are you sure this isn't a mental health issue, though? IMO, there is nothing more mentally ill then using your religion or other radical beliefs to mass kill.
The fact that a U.S. citizen was able to stockpile weapons of mass destruction legally, just goes to show how f'ed up our gun control laws are. We have to have a system that monitors the count and ownership of law abiding citizens(which is exactly what this terrorist was). The sad thing is that even if he was a terror suspect, there is absolutely nothing that would have stood in his way to legally purchase these weapons. That has to change. The right to bear arms has nothing to do with accumulating large amounts of weapons of mass destruction. These people need to be identified, neighbors need to be informed, workplaces need to be informed, so the people can protect themselves.
This is just common sense. I'd rather know if my neighbor possessed a small arsenal than if he/she was a convicted sex offender. Although, I'd want to know both.
We continue to put people's lives in serious danger in order to protect gun owners so they can freely possess any limit of weapons of their desire with little consequence of action. There HAS to be a middle ground.
Marco Rubio was on CBS this morning and he said this nation has a violence problem, not a gun problem. While I disagree with that statement, let's take that as fact and discuss. If we have a violence problem, don't we owe it to the people to restrict and monitor those that are at high risk to be violent? Back in the Bush administration, when the left opposed surveillance programs, I'd hear a lot on the right say that what's it matter if you're not breaking laws, it will keep us safer. I use that same tactic in the gun control argument, if you're law abiding, then why would you care if there's additional burdens to ownership if it can keep us safer. The argument that control laws are a burden to responsible people is insane. In the name of safety, we SHOULD be burdened.
It sure is convenient, though, with this timing. Everybody has forgotten about the Planned Parenthood terrorist attack. Now that the focus has turned to homegrown Muslim terrorism as the target for mass killings, the typical profile of those that have committed these mass killings in the past, those ready to do so in the future can now proceed with the notion that they're only going to be viewed as a failure of the system and mentally ill. Not me, though, they're just as evil as these radical Muslims. To me, it's the 21st century racism. White man, non-Muslim mass killer, mentally ill. Dark man, Muslim mass killer is a terrorist. Let's have some courage to call them all what they are. Terrorist Killers.
No, we should not be burdened with more governmental intrusions into that which is none of its business. A citizen of this country that has no prior criminal history and who wishes to acquire whatever firearms he so desires should not have any more ornerous burdens placed in his way, nor should any government inquiry into his responsible firearms ownership should be allowed. Why? Because what happened in San Bernadino is so outside the norm, that's why. Whatever small percentage of idiots that follow the path to radicalization is far outweighed by those who would never even allow themselves to have that suggestion made to them. And so, why should the majority have to suffer for the follies of the few? We should not. It's that plain and simple.
Now, I will tell what is idiotic.......the fact that neighbors saw suspicious activities at these terrorists home and did not want to say anything for fear of being called an Islamophobe or a racist. Oh puh-lese! Friggin' grow a pair or just turn in your man-card! And if not for letting some authority somewhere know of the activity, then to clear their own conscience of any ill feelings about themselves for not reporting that suspicious activity, and therefore possibly having saved some lives.
suncat seems Mr Stu didn't pay attention to facts. Those two terrorists, Muslims terrorists, didn't buy the two AR15's, the guy bought the two pistols several years ago legally, probably much before he became such a radical Muslim t errorists. And on his salary of $51,000 I seriously doubt he could have purchased the approximate $30,000 worth of ordinance that was in that condo according to reports. So no new gun laws or any of the old 20,000 plus gun laws or any of California's strict gun laws would have prevented this.Quote:
Originally Posted by suncat05
But that is what the liberal left wing radicals would have us all believe, more gun laws tand this won't happen. Well, as long as we have someone like BO...I decided to use his initials now because of what it stands for, Body Odor because what he is doing smells...in office, we will continue to have these attacks on our soil and those of our allies. He was probably sh..ing in his pants when he uttered they just might have to look at it being terrorism.
Some have complained we lost so many rights under Bush after 9-11, no we didn't lose any rights. We still got on planes..yes a little inconvenient well so what after I saw that a coke can brought down the Russian Airliner, and yes some computer listens to conversations trying to pick out certain words or phrases, big deal we still get to talk and i have said many things about our gov, our president, senators and congressmen from both sides of the isle and no one has been to my house yet to arrest me, we still drive where we want, go to movies, go to games, do what we want. so no rights have been lost, just some inconvenience is all. I want that computer listening for those phrases or words, maybe if they had checked facebook, 14 people in California would still be alive.
New gun laws, how about liberal judges making those that break laws spend time. How about the carnage in Chicago being taken care of,
The Second Amendment says my right to own a gun 'shall not be infringed upon'. I have every right as you do, to protect myself against known enemies of this country, unknown enemies, criminals, terrorists, and yes the government when necessary.
Have you hear Harry One Eye Reid mention terrorists in Califronia that killed those people, nope, just more gun laws. Same with BO, more gun laws. Hey one eye and BO, those two terrorists had pipe bombs, what gun laws would have protected us from that.
New theory...Sayed Farook was a jealousy husband who saw mommy kissing Santa. Expect Susan Rice to present this to the United Nations next week.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky