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Good luck USA.
Gonna need more than luck. I think our country is now an official welfare state, those that don't work just won the right to not have to work and make the rest of us poor slobs take care of their every need. And here comes the illegals, clear path.
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Originally Posted by cattails
We'll need a heck of a lot more than luck.
Expected him to win from the get go, I just hope my calculations are right that I'll be dead (and I don't have children) before it gets so ugly I have to leave the country. No I'm not being flippant. I came to this conclusion some time ago, Obama's reelection is just the proof of what I've long known.
I see only one salvation for the nation as I see its purpose and mission, and I'm hesitant to say it here for being painted a radical. Half the country wants to go in one direction, IMO on the course laid out by the Founders, and half want to become a Western European nation. I see no way to rectify those two. either the former will whimper and give in or it will come to a head.
That's why these constant calls for "working together in Washington" are so laughable. How does one work together when there are two people sitting in a car in Kansas and one wants to go to LA and the other to New York? Do they go to Chicago or Houston? Is Denver or Cincinnati a compromise? You can only work together if you roughly want to go the same direction then it's just deciding the means. We're talking about 180 degree differences.
the GOP will hold the House and hopefully stalemate domestic policy.
The real prayer is that 2 SCOTUS members who are 76 both are able to stay on the bench 4 more years. Lose just one more Justice to Obama and the 2nd Amendment is in a fight for its very existence.
Can't wait for the next debt ceiling fight. GOP gains in the House may make it a fun one to watch. Obama has already said he plans on ignoring the automatic cuts from the last debt ceiling deal. Think he'll be able to swing another one?
Kiss health care good bye, welcome to the new USA.
Deleted some of this before I lose my perspective. As a mod it's beholden on me to not do that.
You deleted my post?
Errr.. Posts.
CBBN,
You may disagree with me, but please do not delete my responses to your posts without reason.
That is simply rude.
I deleted the conversation in whole, yours and mine. It was heading to a bad place. It's bound to be repeated a few times over the next day or two as people vent.Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB
By tomorrow more will be gone, but like a loss in a game we give a certain amount of time to vent. By the next morning the worst of it is often moved off the boards. It prevents things from getting too overblown between members.
It's not a matter of being rude, it's a matter of moderation to avoid things from going too far. Yes sometimes that will snare posts that by themselves aren't violations, but it does happen in times of particular strain. I've moderated the political discussion of 3 elections now and by morning most of the night's stuff is gone. It's SOP and is moderated more severely on this board than the others b/c we are primarily a sports board and don't really want the Barber Shop to be the center of things.Quote:
Originally Posted by KGB
I really don't mean to be rude or condemning in any way of your views, but I do have to try to head some of this off tonight. A couple of threads are about to get locked. This one I could have locked but chose to just delete some posts. Theres' no clear cut choice between the two.
I'll also note that I started with my own post, trying to curtail my own venting. Deleting mine removes any context that follows and we often delete threads of conversation when the initial post is deleted.
I moderated myself here, not you or anyone else. I was the one at fault for blowing off steam.
I have a lot of concerns about what the next four years will bring us. At the top of my list is that Obama may very well be appointing three new Supreme Court justices during his second term. That would mean that five of the nine will be bleeding heart liberals that will be around for at least the next twenty years.
That whistle you hear is the National Debt Train....next stop $20 TRILLION.
Pray for John Boehner, Eric Cantor and Paul Ryan.
Folks without basic understanding of economics are now the voting majority in the US....just wow..
Well I'm old enough that I will be gone when the total fall out of this election hits home but My children and their children will be the ones to suffer. We are now heading to a socialist state, the power brokers have little reason to put their money in play which means more jobs lost. Obama can continue the trend or look for better ways, only time will tell on this. I would not be shocked to see a state like Texas declare it's independence, Arizone may follow and this could be the beginning of a civil war, all this is possible, let's just hope it doesn't come to this. You just can't keep taking from the working and giving to the non working, soon the working see no reason to work. Let's just hope Obama sees this coming or maybe this is what he wants, I really can only go by the trend he has set.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catonahottinroof
Yesterday may well have been the worst day in the history of this great country.
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Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
I can see Texas, Arizona, and several other States doing just that. But in the end I'm not sure that much aside from a lot of people dying would be accomplished by attempting to leave the Republic. I would fully agree with those wishing to do so, but at this point both in that situation and my own life, it looks like to me that this Republic is doomed to fail and may not be worth salvaging, much less salvagable at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by cattails
This Great Experiment, once called the United States of America, is no longer other than in name only.
If he was still alive, my Sicilian immigrant Father, who was so proud to be an American citizen and loved this country so much, would be stunned and outraged at what our country has degenerated into.
I cannot even begin to tell you how saddened I am by all of this. This is not the same America that I grew up loving, nor the America I have faithfully loved and served for my entire life.
This confirms my belief that the majority of Americans are 1) stupid 2) care only about themselve or 3) live only for today.
My parents are extremely upset, worried about their healthcare. I don't have any fear for them as they will be okay and will be gone long before the piper needs to be paid. I'm concerned somewhat about myself as it will affect me however I'm mostly saddened because it is my responsibility to care for the well being of my children. To me that is my biggest responsibility and I feel we as a nation have failed them. My 22 year old daughter and 14 year old son will carry this debt and be the one responsible for paying it off and will get nothing for it. IMO our generation is SELFISH because we have taken from our children, spent their money and left the debt for them. Me personally, I'll survive. I have a business that I'll make sure never employees more than 50 individuals lest I be taxed more, I'll hold onto that business for at least 5 years because you can write it down that capital gains is going up and when I sell my business the gov't is going to take twice (30%) in the future what it took in the past (15%) so I'll have to hope that it returns to the lower level once Obama is ousted.
I'm also upset with my party. As a registered republican I can't but be pissed that they continue to do stupid crap. They continue to put forth unelectable people. Seriously, the choice was Newt, Rick Perry, Rick Santorum, Michelle Bachman and Mitt. 4 years ago it was McCain and Sarah Palin. So long as these people are the voice of the party, it isn't going anywhere. The GOP could have won with a more charismatic individual like Marco Rubio or Mitch Daniels. Instead they go with these social conservatives who constantly stick their foots in their mouths.
I think you hit a key, if not the key, point..Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
The people who decide these elections, the undecided middle who have no ideological framework of any kind, vote for the man as much as anything. There are studies that correlate height to success in politics as much as their actual policies.
Obama is good looking, slick, generally sounds good and as you said is a pure politician so he doesn't make many missteps b/c like a good politician he never says much of anything so there's nothing to hang on him.
The GOP could make this a much better fight if they'd re-examine their whole structure and even ideology in some areas. I doubt they will, they'll just hope more appealing guys come along. Same things the Democrats did when they were losing by putting up weak candidates.
You said what I agree with, 100%, although I think Mitt Romney would have been very good. He waffled too much, and had a couple of gaffes that cost him, where the margin for error was razor thin, and it made him unelectable. His identity, to some, vacillated between a moderate and a conservative. I would've voted for a moderate Bill Clinton over any candidate that we had to offer in a heartbeat (personal issues aside).Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
I have a lot more faith in America than many in this thread, though. We are a nation of resiliency. Eight years of any president will not ruin the country. There are policies that will be in place, and some of them will be good, even if most are not. The ones that are not we will deal with, fix, repair, tolerate, absorb, and morph into new policies in four more years.
I know the economy is bad; I feel it in my business regularly. I have good barometers that tell me when it is good and when it is not that are reliable. I do not expect that to be fixed overnight, but I do think it will be fixed; not due to anything President Obama does or doesn't do, but due to corrections the free market makes itself over time.
Maybe I'm more optimistic than some because I need to be. I need to have a country that is as great as the country I grew up with for my children, and my children's children, when it comes time for that. I need to believe, so I will believe.
I'm not far anything. I think a far right conservative is as bad as a far left liberal. I'd have as hard a time voting for Pat Robertson as I would Barack Obama. I hear many in the GOP bitching about "RINO"s (Republican in name only) because they don't get up on a soap box over social issues like abortion and gay rights. "I'll never vote for a RINO" crap, or "I'll vote 3rd party before I vote for a RINO" is stupid. Government should not be about social issues. Those are personal issues and choices (however I'll say I understand why folks are "anti-abortion" and I understand the stance that it isn't a personal choice). But when you constantly put unlikable people out there who hold views that are not mainstream, what do you expect? Good lord, every time Sarah Palin opens her mouth I cringe. Ditto for Michelle Bachman. Rick Perry typically came off looking more confused than Mr MaGoo. Rick Santorum is seen as some type of bible thumper that would make you think of a Jehovah's Witness! Throw in captain crochity Newt and you have nothing anybody wants. And lets not forget about Ron Paul who while he has some good ideas they were hardly appealing to the masses. The only positive was Paul Ryan. Unless you bring somebody who is electable, you won't win.
I'm truly worried about the future of our country, and that future is right around the corner. The elections in 2014/2016 might be this country's last chance to avoid turning into a Euro country. :(
That Euro form of government is working so well....said no one ever.
I now know what it must be like to spend the night with an ugly whore, you know you got screwed and feel really bad the next morning.
Darrell, I wish I had your faith in this country. The democrat party has totally divided us, rich to poor supposedly, black to white, hispanics to white, liberal to conservative, social issues, economy, free handouts. The democrat party did everything in their power to keep that divide going and when you have the majority of the media in your hip pocket you will win that arguement every time.
Look who swung the vote, women and hispanics. We knew where the black vote would go, couldn't do anything about that. But women, my gosh do they ever think...speaking in terms of the whole and not the few that truly do. What has the democrat party done for hispanics other than allow them so much for free and open the borders, oh wait more welfare, got it. women dont' like confrotation and the democrats played to that. There is no war on women, although right now I dont' like many of them. :)
Why didn't the party use more women on the stump in different states, where was the hispanic lady who gave such a great speech at athe convention, the black lady running for the house at the convention, why just use the same old white men that have been around for some time. Why didn't Romney emphasise where his dad ccame from more, why didn't Jeb Bush go after hispanics more with a hispanic wife, why didn't they use George Bush for the hispanic vote where he did so well.
I like Ryan, but he isn't a great speaker that just reves up the crowd.
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Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
I'm just curious. Are you talking about what Palin says or how she says it? Do you consider her a far right conservative? If so, what are her positions that make her far right? What views does she have that aren't mainstream? How would any of her record of governance be considered far right? As a Tea Partier, I am somewhat testy when people use the tag "far right". I'm not trying to be argumentative. I'm sincerely interested in understanding your definition of "far right" or "out of the mainstream".Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
Some things to think about, I won't make a statement until the end, but I'll ask in question form and you fill in the blanks: When our 2 old supreme court members are replaced by Obama how liberal can this country become? With a liberal SC they take away our guns, what states, what people will abide with this? What will be the result of confrontations with states and people that will not give up their guns? At this point will states declare their independence rather than abide with gun control? Do you think the NRA will stand by and let this happen? As big as the NRA is, can you see them getting organized to combat this agenda? When the money runs out and the people on welfare/support are not getting what they are used to getting will they take to the streets? When retirement funds go under (SS included) what will people that depend on this do? When so many are told by this new board that they can't have medical treatment to save their lives but will be made comfortable while they die, how do you think this will go over? When we have a shortage of doctors and others in the medical field and there is no one to help you or you are put on a waiting list (this is Canada all over and it is already happening in our country) how will this be accepted? When these new taxes take effect how will people adjust with less? Yes this all paints a dark hole if you answer right, but the truth is it is happening right before our eyes and what looks like crazy talk is a real threat. What can we do about it? Not really anything, it is a snowball that has been going down hill for some time. Obama did not start this problem but he has more than enabled it to continue, in fact he has added more than anyone to put this out of control. When he is finished (unless he changes course) the word "United" should be taken out of the name of this country. And all this happened right before our eyes.
Mitch Daniels, charismatic? Surely you jest. Don't get me wrong, I think Mitch is a great executive, but charisma is not one of his features. As far as Rubio goes, he was a two year senator who could give a good speech. Once he was elected to the Senate, many in the GOP crowned him the heir-apparent. It was if they were saying, "Hey, he's a clean articulate Hispanic." He may turn out to be a terrific candidate at some point, but I'd rather give him the opportunity to prove he's not just another Bushie.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
The GOP's problem is not necessarily the player. It's that they continue to let the Dems and the media frame the issues and to pigeon-hole the candidate, whoever it might be.
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Originally Posted by cattails
Good tweet from @michaelbeck:
Lady just made a good analogy on the @WilliamJBennett show- "This election was the OJ jury on a larger scale."
This is what losing looks like in the USA:
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The golly gees shuck routine gets old quick. She sounds like a moron. I think most of her governance is fine but she fails miserably to articulate them in a serious manner. In politics, how you communicate is as important as what you communicate. She communicates as a ditz or "air head". What she says takes a back seat because its always "up here in Alaska" or "I'm a maverick" or "death panels" or "Baaahrack Obaama". It like watching a movie meld of Groundhog Day and Fargo.... only more annoying.Quote:
Originally Posted by CattyWampus
I'm very much a fiscal conservative and a social "I don't give a rats ass". I could care less if you're gay and could care less who you spend your life with. I believe your decision to use contraception is your decision (and one you should pay for). Abortion is between you and your religion. Smoke pot if you want so long as you don't bother me with it. So while you consider yourself a "tea partier", I see that movement as one of fiscal responsibility and getting the gov't out of ones' daily lives. Hence I would consider myself along those lines.
Doc, I think Palin has come a long way in the last 4 years, she was thrown into something she was not ready for and she talks the way she lives, she certainly does not come off as pretending to be some elite butt hole. For me she is refreshing because she is honest, but she has gotten much better on her knowledge of what is going on.
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Originally Posted by Doc
Carl, like some many things that have happened, we allowd it to happen right before our eyes, we are the only ones to blame. We have allowed our universites and colleges to become so liberal and fill our kids brains with mush, just out and out garbage. We have in Chicago a person who bombed the pentagon, tried to blow up the WH, blew up police stations, said he wished he had done more, and where is he, as a big shot in education.
I went to my cardiologist today for my annual heart checkup and we had a good talk about Obamacare and Medicare. those that are over 50 and not yet on medicare and voted for this moron, are in for a rude awakening. If you don't have a specialized doctor in place before Obamacare totally kicks in, you will be in a waiting line if you can get in to a good doctor or you will end up with a bad doctor who will take anyone to be able to get paid. They are going to turn away medicare patients in the near future because of the cuts to the doctors from this $716 billion cut in medicare to pay for medicaid. And Obama and his team were able to sell their idea because Romney and Ryan did a poor job of explaining what is going to happen and how their plan was better in the long run. They kept saying a $716 billion cut but never really explained exactly what is going to happen. I am fortunate in that I am a current patient of some of the best doctors in our area in the fields I need, as long as they don't give up under this new health code, but there will be many others a tad younger than I am that are going to be very unhappy.
As far as the supreme court and guns, you want to see riots, wait until that happens and it will. Take Iowa as a state for example, I always thought of that state as a good solid Christian midwest group of people, outdoorsmen who loved to hunt and fish, farmers, salt of the earth. They now for the last few elections keep voting liberal democrat, the very group that wants to take away so much of what Iowa used to be.
The big riots though will come when the tank runs dry and it will, we cannot continue to spend so much more than we take in, and when those who produce nothing and want everything for free and have been getting it are cut off, you better hope you still have some of those guns and lots of ammo to protect your family
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Originally Posted by cattails
You are absolutely right and if he appoints 3 new judges, the constitution wont be worth the paper it's written on.Quote:
Originally Posted by CattyWampus
I listend to Frant Luntz today on the Hannity show, and he is someone I like to listen to. He said based on the vote that people didn't vote on how they think, they voted on how they feel, that we have gone over the tipping point where the wagon is full and the ones pulling the wagon has gotten too small.
He also made a comment that I thought was dead on. He told Hannity that conservatives do not have to give up their principles, that we have the answers but the leaderhip does not do a good job of listening to the people, nor do they do a good job of explaining their ideas but rather they lecture to the people. I listened to him, and felt like he was talking about my wife because she had said several times over the last few weeks that she didn't feel like Romney did a good job of explaining any of his ideas. I thought he did but I paid more attention, but there are many like her.
If the GOP is to survive, they are going to have to change their way of doing, not give up their principles because if they do that then they become democrats who have no principles.
Britt Hume said last night that we have been fooled into thinking the country was center right, because of the number of so called moderates. He said it is now obvious that many of those 'moderates' are actually liberals who will just not admit what they are when polled.
The voting block the democrats have built is going to be very to defeat in the future unless the gop does some real soul searching on how to reach them. Getting a few ethnic women on stage during their convention isn't going to cut it. Gays, hispanics...now 10% of the voting block...single women, blacks, unions, true liberals, freeloaders, young adults..well young anyway...big % right there. This group does not care about the economy, jobs, foreign policy, deficits, debt, they only care about themselves and what can they get from the government.
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Originally Posted by jazyd
You must be crazy said the man with his head in the sand. It's all right there to see.
Scary thought!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by DanISSELisdaman
Do you spell your name Carlos?
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Originally Posted by cattails
He only has to appoint one for things to turn grim. Numerous key decisions of late have been 5-4. Drop one conservative and put an Obama judge on there and it's 4-5 and all these cases get re-tested.
It's esp. true for 2nd Amendment cases. Heller was 5-4, and one of the 4 has gone on record saying she sees the 2nd as being about state militias and not applying to individuals at all. I guess that means it protects the state's "right" to a National Guard.
Other quotes include saying if we were forming a government today she wouldn't look to the Constitution as a guide.
The most dangerous thing we can do as Americans IMO is think we know more than the Founders. When someone who thinks that way is sitting on the Supreme Court we're in the worst possible situation for our future, and Obama could end up putting a majority of them on the Court.
This election wasn't about the policies for me. It was about SCOTUS. That's where the fundamentals of the direction of the country are decided b/c that's where it goes when the two sides end up when it can't be settled politically. Look at Obamacare. one vote different and the whole thing is in question or scrapped.
One justice determined American health care. One has determined the 2nd Amendment the last 10 years. Obama could appoint as many as 3. A nightmare scenario I foresee making the Warren Court look conservative.
My hope now is that the 5 can hold out 4 years and a conservative can get in the White House. Sans that I hope the GOP in the senate goes all in to stop liberal appointments, including filibustering till the next election if necessary. It has only happened with Fortas, a sitting Justice LBJ nominated to be Chief Justice to replace Warren. LBJ withdrew the nomination. Obama won't. They'll have to filibuster and not just threaten it. They wont' get enough GOP Senators to hold out.
So light a candle for the 5 and hope they can stay on the Court long enough to not let Obama determine the ideological course of the nation for decades to come.