Let me know how much you like it. I bought a Charles Daly 301 pump, but would sell it and buy the 601.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
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Let me know how much you like it. I bought a Charles Daly 301 pump, but would sell it and buy the 601.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
They didn’t stay in stock very long. When I clicked the link earlier it was available.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
The Citadel is supposed to be a quay Rural King stores. https://www.rkguns.com/citadel-atac-...021-03-21+Gotw
Dang it
I’ve seen some favorable reviews on the Hatfield SAS that is sold at Walmart stores. Prices range from $206 to $236, they come in 12, 20, 28 and .410. The Walmart in Morehead had one in 20 gauge and one in 28 gauge on the shelf Saturday so I had the wife pick up the 20 gauge for me. $216 plus tax. They didn’t have any ammo, unfortunately. What 20 gauge I have on hand is regular small game loads, so I’m going to try to locate some 1300fps stuff to break it in with.
The Hatfield semiauto is one of the Turkish imports. I thought I’d use it for clay pigeons. My daughter got my SIL one of the target throwers for his birthday, and I thought the 20 gauge would be easier on the shoulders for shooting the clay pigeons. If it works out well I may spring for the 28 gauge for the daughters and my wife to use.
We put a box of shells through the Hatfield SAS 20 gauge today. We were using 2 3/4” heavy field loads. The shells were at least 20 years old, and maybe as old as 34 years old. The only 20 gauge I’ve had is a single shot Winchester 37A I traded some scrap metal for back in 1987 and I don’t recall shooting it more than a few times.
Back on track. I was expecting some hiccups that are common to semiauto shotguns in the early going, but the little shotgun ran like a champ. The only issue I had was of my own fault in feeding shell into the magazine a couple of times I didn’t get the shells far enough into the magazine and the pushed out onto the lifter. This didn’t cause any issue with operation, it shot the chambered round and then loaded the round on the lifter. Ejection of spent rounds was strong, as it tossed the rounds out 12-15 feet.
Hatfields had issues with cracked forends, but that issue seems to have been resolved. For a $216 + tax semiautomatic shotgun, which is a comparable price to the low end pumps, the Hatfield performed surprisingly well. Obviously, at $216 the fit and finish isn’t the same as you would have on a $2000 Benelli, but if someone wants a functional shotgun at a budget price this is worth a look.
My wife took some shots at a few clays, and found the recoil very manageable. I would equate it to a single shot .410. She’s all in on getting a 28 gauge, which I think she should be able to get on the clays with a bit easier.
Great report. Intrigued with this one.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
It’s not a bad looking shotgun. The exchange rate with Turkey has enabled the importers to sell the Turkish shotguns at bargain pricesQuote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
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The local Wally world stores are following the "we will not sell firearms" policy that the mother ship adopted a few years ago. Any other outlets for the Hatfield brand of weapons?
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Not that I know of. You may be able to expand your Walmart coverage area and find them. They do have a dealer locator: https://hatfieldguncompany.com/dealer-locator/Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
The Citadel and Black Aces semiautos have been performing well. KyGunCo has the Citadel Warthog at less than $300 right now.
https://kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=153356
The website says they have the Citadel Boss Hog in stock in Lexington for $299.99. https://www.sportsmans.com/shooting-...20in/p/1650022
It’s just like the Warthog, only it doesn’t have the pistol grip stock and has a blade sight.
Charles Daly Honcho XL Tactical 12 gauge pump, Father's Day Sale, $249.99.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/char...ent=5655104172
It is now listed as out of stock.
Yeah, you can't sleep on those. Was available pretty late last night last I checked, though, so they must have had a decent inventory, given demand.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
This sounds like a really good deal: https://www.rkguns.com/citadel-atac-...20-4-1-20.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
I’ve heard some good things about Legacy Sports, who markets Citadel, standing behind their firearms.
Have another really good deal (I know NOTHING about the shotgun). But the price....
$139.99. G-Force GFPG Pump-Action 12 Gauge Shotgun 4RD 20" Black - GFPG31220. Listed with PSA as a Clearance Daily Deal. Has a pistol grip that looks good.
I THINK it's a shotgun made in Turkey, but don't hold me to that.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/g-fo...nt=51655108899
That is a really good deal. It is a Turkish made shotgun. All the Turkish pumps have the same basic design, no matter which factory they come from.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
Here is a G-Force review I saw about a week ago. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryxCN1kIA64Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ryxCN1kIA64
Out of stock today.
That was a really good price for them to last long. That was a savings of $100 or more, compared to other similar Turkish pumps. Here is an identical Citadel as comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
https://kygunco.com/Product/View?ItemNo=152819
These fancy deals seem to mostly come up for the 12 ga. I can't find ones for the 20 ga.
I'm looking for them, Dan, but just haven't seen any myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
I appreciate having a 2nd set of eyes
It’s definitely a lot harder to find a 20 gauge with a shorter barrel.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
https://store.borderssportinggoods.c...humbholeg23247
If you are looking for a semiautomatic there are a lot of offerings among the turkey hunting guns with a 24 inch barrel. Here’s an example: https://store.borderssportinggoods.c...-next-g-1-camo
The Mossberg SA-20 is a good option if you can find one. Mossbergs have been tough to locate for the last year.
This is way more than I want to spend, but if my budget were high enough, I would be all over this.
.410
capacity 15 rounds
Semi auto
A person could load this with buck shot and go to war
Buy now, as manufacturer is out of stock on this item.
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Chas Daly .20 ga semi auto Available at multiple locations in various states
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I am leery of .410 semiautomatics. I can see them having issues cycling due to inconsistencies in loads.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
Looks like a pretty good buy. 20 gauge in a semiautomatic is fairly light recoil.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
Here’s a nice video comparing the .410 Hornady Critical Defense and Winchester PDX1 personal defense loads. The ballistics gel approximates soft body tissue, so this gives an idea how each would do on a center mass shot for defense. This guy is using the shorter polymer frame version of the Taurus Judge. The longer barrel on the original Judge, the Shockwave or the longer 18-26 inch shotgun barrels will have more velocity exiting the barrel.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CGPR_s74TxM
Thanks, Keith. I have been contemplating The Judge for years, with the PDX-1 defense load. That's impressive, and the Hornady critical defense was also great.
I like the 3" barrel over the 2" barrel for what I'd use it for, though.
I thought you, Dan and KW would find the comparison interesting. I know all of you considered a .410 or have a .410. For close range defense the loads performed better than I expected, I didn’t expect the various projectiles to deform as much as they did. Deformed projectiles do a lot more damage, which makes the assailant more likely to be stopped.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
I received an email from Palmetto State Armory on this Charles Daly 12gauge pump for $219.99. The only review on the site claimed that they received the wrong shotgun, however, so make sure you are buying the one you believe you are buying if you pull the trigger (pun intended).
https://palmettostatearmory.com/char...cf930-291.html
And here's a $139 12 gauge pump, 20 inch barrel.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/lkci...black-p12.html
No reviews, but I found it on another site with a lot of good reviews.
That’s identical to the Charles Daly 301 I have, except mine has a grey cerakote finish. A lot of these Turkish imports look alike, even when made in different factories.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR