I have not desire to see the mouse ever again. Ditto for all of Orlando.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
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I have not desire to see the mouse ever again. Ditto for all of Orlando.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
We have opted to never buy Disney passes again, unless we are blessed with grandchildren. For us, it is Universal due to their current reasonable policies. Add the new Disney woke policies, which have turned many former Disney die hands into thanks but no thinkers, Disney is feeling a bit of a financial pinch
I keep seeing people say this, but I'm not sure they really are. Until recently the parks have been crowded and despite their woke movies being a bust, I think they recently passed Netflix for Subscribers for Disney Plus.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
Disney + success IMO is because they have such a huge library, but not b/c of their newer releases. That will catch up to them.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
What has happened to Marvel and Star Wars ought to be illegal.
I have Disney + but only b/c it's part of a bundle so I can have Hulu and ESPN+ so I can watch UK sports. Cheaper to add it than just the other 2. That's not really an endorsement of their programming, and they probably need to figure that out if they want long term success.
It should catch up with them. It seems to be. Even the non woke movies have not been good. Surely people will get tired of this at some point. But this is one area I'm hopeful Chapek fixes. He is all about the dollar, so once that takes a hit, I hope he cuts out the woke BS.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
Round 2 of Star Wars turned me away and I was already getting Marvel fatigue before they went completely woke.
*edit to add* The Supergirl (I know DC) series really soured me on the superhero shows/movies. That series turned into one big lecture.
Probably good news for Disney fans. Not everyone loved Iger, but I'm not sure anyone loves Chapek :)
I suspect they will use this to correct some changes fans do not like. But for those thinking Disney will become "affordable" again...I doubt the prices will go down. Not all of that was on Chapek.
https://allears.net/2022/11/20/break...6gEyspYqS1l1jM
Disney+ actually has some good quality programming right now. Andor is excellent. Willow looks promising and I am looking forward to watching Tim Allen in the Santa Clause Series. We watched DisEnchanted last night and I enjoyed... But they have to find a way to cut costs.
My guess is ESPN is going to be sold off .
Now, saying all that I want you to compare the C level positions and titles at Disney to Apple:
https://craft.co/the-walt-disney/executives
https://www.apple.com/leadership/
Notice anything there?
Apple has people on line 1 and 2 that are experts about their products they sell and develop.
Disney has Diversity, Compliance and Corporate Social Responsibility.
Does anyone doubt that Apple is a Socially aware and forward company? I don't think so. But they fully understand their primary goal is to develop and sell their product first.
Doubt I take time to watch it but the girls really enjoyed it.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaCat
The Mouse P'oed the wrong guy this time.
DeSantis is protecting the regular citizens from the potential of having to pay the Mouse's 700 million in debt thru the Reedy Creek Corporation
There will be untold years of litigation on this before any changes go into effect. My WAG is it will be settled between Disney and the state long before that.
It's not affordable, hasn't been for a long time. We are here now for the Dopey race, which my daughter is doing. I was just checking for prices for the next group of races in early Nov. Cheapest Disney room is $249 ( for a 400 sf single queen with a table that convert to a bed). Looked at the midrange ones and they go for 500-800 a night and the premiums going for over a grand. This is during the slowest time of the year. We grabbed an off site Marriot for $120 a night which is a suite with pullout in livingroom....and our resort has a golf course we can play! We hear tons of complaints from people, but they still come. Just don't do a week. 2-3 days seems to be the norm.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
I will say though hat the wokeness has been turned way down.
I should add that this trip was a Timeshare swap. Are staying at Marriot Vacation by Seaworld. Two bedroom suite, 3 pools, etc... We spend most our time at Universal Studio as we have passes (love Mardi Gras, my wife love Halloween Horros so is best for us). When our kids were young, we had Disney passes, and will if or when we get grandkids. Those now run about $1400 so a family of four gonna throw down nearly $5K yearly. Although current you can not get a new annual pass. Probably due to covid
We first started going about 5 years ago. And "affordable" is definitely in quotes, even 5 years ago. But darn it has doubled since we started going. The budget rooms have doubled and they often ran some sales back then. Plus flights for us. I've not checked lately but the last time we flew it was triple from the previous time. Oh, and the girls are getting bigger, so the budget rooms are getting small.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
I think we will start going to the beach and drive over for a day or two. We did that once and enjoyed it. Problem is, we prefer the west coast and that is a decent drive.
This is good to hear.Quote:
Originally Posted by Doc
Side question. How is Universal without the express passes?
Allegiant flys from both Lexngton and Louisville into Orlando -Samford (not Orlando International). We are headed to Louisville in April for $94 round trip on them (out of FLL). Looking to get Keeneland tickets for April 22, if you know anybody. Disney properties jack the hell out of you. Sure, the Disney experience is great but expect 1/2 as much time for the price compared to you staying off Disney property, and if you look you can find some nice options. This trip we Marrioted by SeaWorld. 10 min from Disney, 10 min from Universal, 2 min from SeaWorld. 2 bedroom suite that sleeps up to 6, on a Timeshare swap. Had all we needed including 3 pools, hot tubs, grills, etc......Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
I just peeked....May round trip runs about $150 each. Less than I can drive for
OUCH!
I am going to be at my sons house in JAcksonville on Feb 19-22. Was considering taking my Granddaughter out of school for one day (Monday the 20th) and take her to Magic Kingdom for a day. I have an Annual Pass so I am a sunk cost... But a Single Day pass for an 8 year old now costs $190 for that day...and that is before paying for Genie+ and Lightening Lane.....
Wow!
Somebody has to pay for your Wife's salary.
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Gutfeld, and company “gutted” Disney last nightQuote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
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Walt is spinning in his grave.
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Originally Posted by blueboss
Regardless of politics, it's simply a horrible business model. I recently read about an interview with one of the members of ABBA back in the day when they were the biggest band in the world. He was asked why they didn't comment more on politics and social issues in their music and otherwise.
His answer was honest and simple. He said the second they do that they alienate half their audience, so they stick to happy and positive things.
That's Disney's job. To entertain. It's bad business to alienate your customers and it's also very bad for the production of entertainment to be more focused on moralizing then entertaining.
You can't lose sight of having good stories, but Disney at every level is changing the story to fit "the message", and it's simply not as entertaining, and turns off a lot of potential customers to boot.
It's a losing gig, and when you combine that with the lower production values and promoting people within the organization on the basis of their politics and not their ability to produce, manage or create a story, you will get bad results.
Dan's article is also right that there's no placating the "woke" extremists, so you end up in a really losing battle to engage in it. You end up taking stands to make them happy which in turn alienates larger numbers of other people who won't spend their time protesting (they have jobs and stuff) but will vote their dollars. Then the woke people push for the next thing and an endless cycle is created.
Disney needed to hold the line on not being political and let that be their stance internally and otherwise. Yes some of their employees would gnash their teeth. Far better to replace some of them than to get caught up in the current cultural schism in this country. Don't take sides in it as a business or you will end up worse off no matter what you do.
As a company Disney has a fiduciary duty to the shareholders, and they are failing that duty miserably.
Never mind 7000 layoffs and why.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
https://www.forbes.com/sites/qai/202...s-restructure/
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Iger has talked about getting back to that. Time will tell what that entertainment looks like.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
The other mistake was their rampant acquisitions of property they then didn't know how to manage. They bought up Lucas, Marvel, Pixar and many other lesser entities and then, rather than let them do their thing that made them successful, started trying to run them like Disney.
I did work back in business school in the 80s during a big leveraged buyout phase on the impact of these acquisitions, but I focused not on the target company as most did but on the parent company. On average stock prices and valuations actually FELL when companies did acquisitions. THere were several reasons, but Disney has managed to check almost every box on the list of things that will turn your purchase into a poison pill.
They have turned Marvel's MCU into the "MSheU" for many fans, same with Star Wars. It has alienated the hard core followers and fans of those properties which tainted the very asset they bought. Their return on investment is terrible b/c they didn't understand those properties and universes and were outright disdainful of their existing fans. Why pay billions for something and then slash the income stream that made them so valuable by running off those customers?
They are a mess and just brought back the man who oversaw the creation of the disaster, which makes me think they are going to go down with the ship of wokeism and activism and moralizing versus storytelling.
We will see. He was in charge when all of this happened, both the wild acquisition spree and the woke moralizing. It's hard to believe he now sees the light.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
Well, he has yet to say if it will or won't be woke entertainment lolQuote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
To the point in your other post. They have put themselves in a position where they can't say "we are staying woke or we are moving away from woke".
Oh, they are also looking at buying the rest of HULU and supposedly Harry Potter. Which they totally dropped the ball on Harry Potter going to Universal. They wanted the creative control but Rowling said no. Personally, I'm not sad it went to Universal. They nailed it.
And it isn't like he has been gone the last few years. He was chair of the board while these stupid park decisions were happening.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
I'll be at Epcot and Universal during Fall break. Anyone else?
You have to see this about Dsiney Movies and the Babylon Bee..
https://babylonbee.com/video/how-dis...ew-movie-ideas
Or This one about Threads
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Crowd levels seem lower than usual this summer, so hopefully that will continue into the fall for you, KW.
My wife and daugher will be at Disney in Mid-October celebrating my daughters Sweet 16. No Universal for them but will be in all parks. I think they are staying at Beach Club.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat