The guy with the buffalo headdress and the dude on Pelosi’s chair pointing at his crotch, those are the perpetrators of the serious violent coup everyone is referring to?
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The guy with the buffalo headdress and the dude on Pelosi’s chair pointing at his crotch, those are the perpetrators of the serious violent coup everyone is referring to?
Only once they saw they were tanking in the polls. And After they provided resources for the people arrested.
Those riots were unlawful and violent...and they started on the date of the innaguration in DC in 2016.
I am not sure about 200 people (out of how many that were in DC. (that is the apprx number) that went into the Capital counts as a terrorist insurgence. But that is a definitional differnce. What I do know is from friends in DC that were at the march, they were unaware of the issue until they saw it on social media or received calls from friends. So if all hundreds of thousand had committed the crime, I would agree with ou on the insurrection. But I think if that was th eplan they would have been armed because all I know have firearms.
BTW, not heard one complaint about an unarmed female civilian being shot. I am waiting to hear and understand what type of threat she posed and hopeful for video. But, bottom line, she should not have been there and paid the consequencs.
Stu, I do not want to make whatever mistake I made yesterdy again. I am not arguing with you in a violent manner or saying that in any way. I simply disagree with your positons. Still would love to have a beer with you and talk sports.
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Originally Posted by StuBleedsBlue2
Welcome to the club. At least you are not a traitor...Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
Grew up in Chesterfield county. So I am in that Virginia Cat club. Lots ofTimes-Dispatches with Kentucky articles.
I have mourned the woman killed, and nothing she or anyone did warranted being flock shot. The callous dismissal of her death is extraordinary, (everywhere, it isn‘t pointed here.)
I spent almost 30 years in politics and this past year has been the worst. Waters and Harris urging the rioters on. The media and social media’s campaign against republicans. The Richard Jewell line, “US Government and the media the two most powerful entities on earth” have burnt out my taste for public service.
But even with all that I would not submit to my baser nature on this board or anywhere.
We definitely aren’t traitors. I got family in Leesburg VA. Aunt/Uncle and 91 year old grandmother who I adore lives there.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaCat
There is video but I am not going to post it. A guy with her yells, "Down, they have guns". And she jumps through the broken window.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaCat
This is in response to your post and Bigsky's about the people posing in the offices.
Yes, after the fact, they can look back and go....."Whew, that could have been much worse". They can think, "many of them just took selfies, etc.". But, even if that is what many did....it changes nothing as to what it all was (and even those two things are Federal crimes).
But this was a violent attack on the Capitol while the VP and entire Congress were inside.
I have posted many videos from yesterday in another thread. But stop focusing on some "cute" pictures and watch some of those videos.
This was VIOLENT and frightening.
Rioters had guns, bats, pepper spray, pipe bombs, etc. Many were not armed. But it doesn't matter.
Here is the video of how it started....you can see it escalate quickly:
https://twitter.com/PhilipinDC/statu...685800961?s=20
And the next line of defense:
https://twitter.com/Julio_Rosas11/st...603033602?s=20
More...
https://twitter.com/SunsaraTaylor/st...652601858?s=20
Once they got past those lines, it was breaking the windows to get in....
https://twitter.com/RealDonaldHumor/...528797703?s=20
https://twitter.com/MrOlmos/status/1...971557890?s=20
And then of course broke into the chambers themselves:
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Amongst many others, yes. This should not be downplayed in any way whatsoever. Watch the videos and see how violent and out of control it was. As I said earlier, its astonishing only 4 people died.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
A Capitol Police Officer has just died from the attack yesterday.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
Make that 5.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukpumacat
A Capitol Hill policeman has now died.
Besides these people being terrorists and traitors, they are now cop killers too.
One Trump supporter arrested yesterday had 11 Molotov cocktail bombs on him:
https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/s...884363266?s=20
Mourning an insurgent against Democracy is completely mind boggling to me. She was a radicalized enemy of the state and was fully aware of her unlawful actions and the potential results of her decisions.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
What is worth mourning is how millions and millions of people have been lied to, brainwashed and now only live in a radical world of conspiracy theories. These people are lost and that is extremely sad. It's time to heal as a nation and do what we can to rehabilitate.
I mourn her loss the same as I would the death of American Taliban, American Al Qaeda or any other enemy of state.
do you have a link on the dead capitol policeman? also, a person was found with 11 molotov cocktails, did not find any report of his political affiliations, but I'm ready to read your link to that as well.
CNN reporting a capitol policeman has died following events yesterday. Not sure what that means yet.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/polit...cid=uxbndlbingQuote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
"Details surrounding the officer's death, including his or her name, were not immediately available.
More than 50 officers were injured and 15 hospitalized in the standoff against supporters of President Trump, who breached the Capitol building in an attempt to stop Congress from certifying President-elect Joe Biden's election"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...n-capitol-hill
https://www.reddit.com/r/Conservativ...eb2x&context=3
Likely with QAnon like the horned gentleman. I would doubt the proud dudes or what have you would get by with even getting it on the grounds as close as they were being watched.
Didnt find any answers there but maybe my reading comprehension is poor.
Horned shirtless guy a Trump supporter
https://fox8-com.cdn.ampproject.org/...-identified%2F
Just gonna be honest but I’m not really gonna debate about five people who died.
I feel for all of them and their families.
I’ve read articles on police finding the Molotov cocktails, several other pipe bombs, a truck with guns and ammunition and pipe bomb materials in it. I’ve seen the posts and videos for weeks now of the Proud Boys and other Trump supporters saying they were showing up on the 6th for war. This was all predictable.
I’ve seen and watched countless videos of the entire thing. I watched as Trumps supporters screamed and ranted and tweeted and did Facebook live and Instagram videos while breaking in. I saw them with bats and spraying pepper spray at cops and fighting with railing and poles and knives. I watched the video of the young woman get shot as they tried breaking through the Capitol doors. And I saw a police officer (not sure if it’s the dead one) get trampled by a railing and then hundreds
of people as they rushed through. I saw all of it with my own eyes. And it’s all there for anyone else to see who wants to.
I also watched the President for months add fuel to the fire and incite them. And I watched the speeches that day inciting them to “fight” and go to “combat”.
I don’t need to keep posting link after link with pictures and videos and articles. It’s obvious what happened. It’s obvious why it happened. And it’s obvious who could have prevented it from happening. To me and most other Americans including many of Trumps party who have said so publicly.
It was an awful day for our country. For those in the building. For democracy. And for those who died as a result.
I thought you wanted a link about the officer dying. Thats all the information they have given to date as far as I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
The other link was just about who I figured would be most likely to get something like that on the grounds. It wouldn't be someone who said Hey, Im going to leave this here rally and take those old cocktails in the trunk over to the capitol". Nor a proud boy or the like who were certainly being watched all week long.
The other, well documented crazies who like to bring big boy toys to pizza parlors and the like are the QAnon whacks who think an alien from the future is guiding them. They have been planning on participating in this kind of stuff for the last four years. The most likely culprits imo.
Yeah, the horned shirtless guy is like a QAnon celebrity. The “QAnon Shaman,”
https://www.thedailybeast.com/benjam...e-capitol-riot. This is a good link to information about the four other deaths.
Here's a quote about the guys arrest with the cocktails..I guess my QAnon theory is shot. It seems the man has no online presence.
A 70-year old Alabama man was arrested yesterday near the U.S. Capitol as rioting broke out amid the certification of Joe Biden’s presidential win.
Capitol police on Thursday released the names of 14 people charged with a variety of crimes in relation to the chaos in Washington on Wednesday.
They identified the Alabama man as Lonnie Zoffman of Falkville.
However, officials at the D.C. Central Lockup said Lonnie Coffman is being held there. He is 70. The lockup did not provide an address for Coffman.
Coffman is charged with carrying a pistol without a license, which is a felony crime in D.C., as well as unregistered firearm and unregistered ammunition. Additional details surrounding his arrest have not been released.
Coffman lists an address in Eva which is in Morgan County, and formerly lived in Cullman County.
Coffman’s ex-wife said he is a big Trump supporter, but said she was not aware of his arrest and declined to comment further about him.
Efforts to reach some of Coffman’s children for comment weren’t immediately successful.
Coffman has no prior arrests in Alabama and does not appear to have any social media presence. Law enforcement officials in Cullman County and Morgan County said they have had no known dealings with him.
The arrest was first reported by The New York Times which said the man, arrested by federal authorities, was in possession of a firearm and materials to make several Molotov cocktails.
Rioters swarmed the Capitol yesterday causing evacuations and lockdowns as protesters made their way through the building.
https://www.al.com/news/2021/01/70-y...-material.html
"Coffman is charged with carrying a pistol without a license, which is a felony crime in D.C., as well as unregistered firearm and unregistered ammunition." Never heard of such a thing in the United States of America. In Montana you have the right to bear arms in your defense or in the defense of your home. Open carry is legal except on campuses and in government buildings and in bars. I see pistols on hips all the time. At some point this spring, I believe these exceptions will disappear. There is no requirement to register firearms or ammunition? what, register ammunition? and you can buy .270 or 30.06 hunting shells at most big gas stations during hunting season, like a day old hot dog rolling on greasy steel ...it's almost as if DC is some other country. They should never become a state.
and thanks for the link. He got arrested for exercising his right to bear arms. Sheesh.
[a coup by at most 200 people mostly unarmed? Just not seeing that as any type of real threat
QUOTE=Catfan73;676518]Whatever you believe about what actually occurred during BLM protests or riots or whatever you want to call them has absolutely no bearing on what happened yesterday. This was an attempted coup on the United States ordered by the sitting president. In what way could anything that happened in Portland or wherever make that acceptable? There is no justification. Period.[/QUOTE]
The issue of course is that a woman was shot dead by Capitol police. The death or serious injury of the capitol policeman too. I hope the FBI finds whoever hit him with a pipe and accuses him of every single thing they can. As should be done in any violent riot.
A very bitter post, in which you are trying to deflect. I'm not angry over it however because I understand the untenable position it has put many trump supporters in. Let me just say as I always have..violence and criminal activity on the streets is wrong. And organized protests are good and helped form this republic.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
Yes, I still supported peaceful protests, but readily condemned the bad actors on both sides. Wrong is wrong. So I won't bite.
Then again, I will say I support peaceful protests that are pro Trump too. I may question their motivation and sanity however. ;)
But more to the point, you know good and well what the difference is Sky'. And I assure you I do understand the awkward position trump put even his staunchest defenders in with his actions and inactions in this situation. Heck, how do we think Pence and others feel after what happened...it was an unprecedented attack; directly on our nations government.
Domestic terrorism, where the folly of a president and his crew of doom, led fired up innocents and others to a pre planned attack on our nations government to legitimize the traitorous effort..but it backfired. Don't blame Democrats, your friends, people of color, or past conversations for that. Blame the madman who tried to orchestrate this coup, imo.
He is just what many of us said all along...and proved it.
Dangerous.
P.S. i broke a rule in not directly addressing a person and only addressing the post. But you were cleverly questioning me and i made an exception.
Mainly because I feel we are old friends and I should be able to do so. Maybe I aint' often right...but I am this time.
Yeah, yesterdy's capitol thing was quickly over. Any changes because of it will likely be further tyranny from media and democrats. How many days of violent riots is this for Portland? The violent riots in Kenosha, Minneapolis, Atlanta suburbs, Portland, don't seem to be about "Trump" as an active overthrow of the country. In Seattle, they did overthrow the city and state governments, creating a new government free zone. I don't support "Trump". I actively oppose where the democrat policies and attitudes are taking this country, and have for many years. The mostly peaceful moniker applied to 200 days or nights of violence of anti american movements like antifa and blm certainly applied yesterday, ironically, of course, it applied to none. A riot is a riot, no matter how it starts out. Yesterday, 200 days of Portland and all the other cities, all violent riots.
Nothing I saw yesterday was a coup that came close to what has happened in the past year with riots, violence, rhetoric and of course, the unconstitutional and unaccountable election processes in some democrat controlled states. I hear it in almost every bit of rhetoric from the democrats the rejection of the constitution, the precepts upon which this country was founded, the enlightened Greek/Roman/Christian/Anglo Saxon western civilization. In a couple of years, four at the outside, I have become convinced that the democrats are bent on the destruction of this country. I don't think they even hide it anymore. Pelosi is just a looter. I voted for McCain, twice. I doubt you did. I voted for Romney. I doubt you did. The differences in the policies endorsed by these men and yours are gigantic, far wider than between them and Trump.
I didnt vote for McCain, but we'd all be wise to adhere to the advice he left behind. It can be read in my signature which has been there since his death. I came to really like him because of his bipartisan attitudes and ability to reach across the isle. He and our new president were the closest of friends by the way. How is that possible?Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
And as for Senator Romney. Yours was a righteous vote imo.
I just chose otherwise.
Hear his words..
"We gather today due to a selfish man's injured pride and the outrage of his supporters whom he has deliberately misinformed for the past two months and stirred to action this very morning. What happened here today was an insurrection, incited by the President of the United States,"
"Those who choose to continue to support his dangerous gambit by objecting to the results of a legitimate, democratic election will forever be seen as being complicit in an unprecedented attack against our democracy.
They will be remembered for their role in this shameful episode in American history. That will be their legacy".
Your argument and disgust is not with me.
It used to be the republicans that would tell me off on the political boards. (not just here, other KY boards too.) I have always tried to be a centrist. "Radical centrist" "bleeding heart republican" are two of the commonly used descriptors. I used to be a member of the ACLU. None of that applies any more as woke-ism, attacks on "the canon" of western civilization, identity politics, the welfare entitlement, the embracing of antifa and the avowed and acknowledged marxist BLM, the rejection of individual rights of free speech and free exercise and conscience and right to bear arms, the disappearance due process, the emergence of George Soros' attacks on america, the constantly expressed hatred of middle america, the control of politics by big tech an big media, the willingness of democrats to do the little election sins, like offering inducements to vote, electioneering in polling places, and geographic voter fraud, I could go on and on. There was a time when progressive politics meant increasing equality and protecting individual rights. Now it is hastening the idea of "equity" and the idea that no person should be allowed to succeed. Kurt Vonnegut's Diana Moon Glampers will rule a weak and pathetic country ripe for a takeover by a dictatorial government coming in under the guise of "promoting equity". Trump was a terrible would be populist tyrant. The next one will be better...
Fully agree. Still waiting to hear how I single unarmed woman climbing through a window was a deadly threat to anyone in the building.
RINO Romney Will be one of the first victims in two years I believe. He will be primary and in his own state and be told to go back to Massachusetts for maybe is considered a conservative
You are becoming my hero....Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
Darryl
Don’t you just love how the liberals love them some Romney?Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaCat
Darryl
He has always been a DEM in Sheeps GOP clothing. He is a globalist, period. He is about Global economy, not US Economy or US Jobs and US citizen well being. I despise the man and have for years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darryl
I’m pretty sure his seat isn’t up until 2024. Senators serve a 6 year term (something we often forget). Pretty sure he was elected in 2018.Quote:
Originally Posted by VirginiaCat
You are correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukpumacat
My prediction, especially in Utah (a reminder that Evan McMullin, a never-Trumper, received over 20% of the Presidential vote in 2016) and prefers moderate Republicans, is that Romney will hold the Senate seat for as long as he wants it and will not be primaried. I think he will run for President again in 2024, and it may be THE perfect time for him to do so.
As a progressive, I have my issues with Romney, but I admire him standing up to authoritianism and what has evolved as the Republican party.
Romney is immensely popular in Utah. Mormons are a different breed of Republican. Well, different than Republican now. More old school.
Fwiw, More and more info is going to come out in the weeks and months ahead on this. And its going to get worse. I would be careful downplaying it as people there to take selfies.
I saw several reporters say rioters TOLD THEM they were looking for VP Pence to "hang him from the Capitol steps for treason". And before you think they would never tell a reporter that, watch the dozens of videos where they tell a camera they are committing a federal crime.
https://twitter.com/jimbourg/status/...831284227?s=20
Some pics showing this was an attempted coup:
Attachment 9876
Fwiw, those are flex cuffs....not zip ties. He also has a gun and likely pepper spray in a pouch. Here is a breakdown of what he was wearing:
Attachment 9879
Another man with flex cuffs. He has been identified. He is ex-military and a retired officer (and avid Trump supporter).
Attachment 9877
He went to Speaker Pelosi's office (I suspect not for a selfie):
Attachment 9878
Also, as Salt Lake City (a progressive city) and Provo starts to expand, the lack of appetite for MAGA and Trump will continue to diminish. When its a binomial choice between such Republicans and a Democrat, we all know how that is going to go, but from a primary perspective, forget about it. Moderate Republicans will win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catfan73
Here are snapshots of these plans being discussed on what is considered the Trump "dark web". Also includes maps of The Capitol tunnels:
Attachment 9880
Attachment 9881
These people are not very smart. They have left a trail of evidence through social media (which they are all in a hurry to scrub, but luckily, don't understand technology). Oddly enough, some of the folks that have been identified and arrested are lawyers, CEO's and not just your average Chewbacca or obvious white nationalist.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukpumacat
You are right. The next few weeks and months are going to be interesting, and I think will expose DEEP terror plots that include people in government and law enforcement sworn to protect us. We've heard for 4+ years about the deep state. What I have learned in the last 4 years is that what they accuse is what they do.
If everyone is not held accountable, American Democracy is fragile.