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An injured rabbit call works really well. Also, an injured deer or calf call brings them in too.I
They are very brazen down here in south Florida. I have caught them setting up near my house so that when I walk my dogs they'll have a chance to snatch one of them.
So I never leave home without my gun.
We had two small dogs, 10 lb range, that found a deer to chow on in the woods near the house back 6 or 7 years ago. At least I think it was a deer. They’d head over into the woods and come back stuffed. One evening they left and never returned. I’m fairly confident that coyotes got them. They’ll learn routines and know when to strike.Quote:
Originally Posted by suncat05
Yes, coyotes are very intelligent. And their eyesight is excellent. Just overall a very wiley adversary (no pun intended to any "Road Runner" cartoon fans, of which I am one!). But they are true predators, so you have to respect them as such.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
Mossbergs lower lines seem flimsy to me. I do like the Rem 870. I particularly like the 870 marine. But it is An expensive stainless steel tank.
If I go Mossberg I’ll probably go 590. I’ve owned both the Mossberg 500 and Remington 870; the Mossberg to me is probably the superior of the two. I like that the 870 can easily have the magazine tube extended, but the Mossberg has a much smoother action and has the better extraction/ejection system. The 870 ejectors tend to be prone to failure. Both are good pump action guns, overall, and overall are reliable. I inherited my late FIL’s Springfield 67, which is a rebadged Savage/Stevens, it isn’t as good as either the 500 or the 870.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
The H&R Pardner Pump is the Maverick equivalent to the 870, except that the Maverick is assembled in the US and the Pardner is imported.
590 is the right Mossberg.
The 590A1 is even beefier than the 590. It is the military version of the 590, with heavier barrel, heat shroud, and other parts that are built for more extreme conditions.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
https://revolverguy.com/1986-fbi-mia...ary/#more-7942
Interesting article on the gunfight 34 years ago that led to law enforcement switching away from revolvers to semi automatic handguns.
It has always puzzled me why law enforcement was so slow to accept semiautomatic handguns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Catfan73
The biggest legitimate reason is that revolvers are inherently more reliable. Modern pistols are excellent, but revolvers are still more reliable.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
Revolvers cannot stovepipe or jam on the load, there's no mag spring to weaken, no way to accidentally hit the mag eject and let it drop loose, etc.
it's now down to a very small percentage difference due to improvements in pistols, but 30+ years ago that difference was bigger.
Second, revolvers are safer in general for accidental discharges. Now, if you have a hammer revolver and you cock it back then all bets are off, you are now equal to a chambered pistol, but otherwise the long full draw on a revolver makes it nearly impossible to discharge accidentally, which is why to this day revolvers have no safety switches.
Many carry pistols have gone with this same ideology and have long double action type draws for the same reason.
Third, the savings in width from pistols isn't as valuable if you carry with a holster.
Now, that all being said, the US military moved to the 1911 back in, er, 1911 (army first, the others in a couple of years), and never looked back, and they love reliability and safety too.
IMO the reason for that difference is that police weren't about shooting the guy coming over the hill. Prior to the 1970s/1980s I doubt many police departments wanted to think in terms of firepower and being able to engage an "enemy" in a firefight. That wasn't their role or goal.
After all, the main reason to use a pistol is on average they hold more rounds. That's useful for an army, but may not be the right mentality for law enforcement.
That's my .02 on why they were slow to change. Doesn't help that there have been any number of pistols made, even sold in large numbers, that are not as reliable as they should be.
CBBN, I think the a big factor was ammo. Law enforcement seemed to have avoided the .45 round, because it was too large. They avoided the 9mm because they thought it was too wimpy. LEOs were very much married to the .38 and .357 rounds. What was odd here is that the military adopted both the .45 and then the 9mm in a span of time when LEOs were primarily sticking to the .38/.357 platform.
One reason I think ammo was a big factor is timing. The move to semiautomatics by law enforcement didn’t begin in earnest until the development of the .40 S&W round. When the .40 S&W was introduced it seemed like LEOs went to it in a big way and in a hurry. The .40 was also a happy middle ground for LEOs between the .45 and the 9 mm.
There is a lot to like about the .40, but the one place the 9mm trumps it is in ammo pricing. $12 for a box of 50 rounds for range ammo is a lot more appealing to the masses.
Fair point. And there were attempts at a .38 equivalent rimless cartridge, notably the 38 ACP and its more popular successor the 38 super, but none of them caught on.
I'd still argue that it was, up to a point, a lack of need. Need changes people's mind and clearly there wasn't a lot of desire to have high capacity or we would have seen more switching sooner.
that's only up to the 1970s though bc I think that's when the turning point was coming. You saw more carrying speed loads, and that to me was a sign they were looking for more firepower.
I don’t know if it was a need for more firepower or a desire. At any rate semiautomatic pistols really seemed to take off with the double stack magazine .40 cal.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
Just in case you were thinking of purchasing one of these, I had sent an email to Palmetto State Armory earlier last week asking about their 9mm Glock clone and received this response in my mail this morning.
We do not have any authorized dealers in KY. In addition, the DAGR has not been released for public sale and we have regrettably had to push back the release date for the time being due to the Covid-19 crisis. At this time we have not set a new date for release.
Thanks for your inquiry,
I am also tracking resupply of inventory of the Charles Daly 12 Ga semi auto at Sportsmans Warehouse. I will post when I am notified of new stocking of this weapon. I wish it did not have to be shipped from Turkey. It may not be coming from there, but I do know that some if not all of their consumer arms are manufactured there.
Thanks Dan. It is certainly on my list of wants. But thankfully not anytime soon. Hopefully it can be a Christmas present.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
I need to get two ARs finished, and maybe buy two scopes first. At least one scope.
Dan, when you hear they are shipping let me know and I can probably get one as a dealer for you. I can go through national distributors, I have accounts with 3-4 of them.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
That would be terrific. Thanks for offering to do that.
I’m also supposed to get an email when the Charles Daly is back on stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
The price of the S&W M&P 2.0 compact is back on stock at Buds. I took a screenshot of it at $427 on the 9th. I wanted to wait until I got my taxes finished before going ahead with the purchase and did them last week. On Thursday I went back on Buds to make sure it was still in stock at their Lexington store and the price jumped back up to $529. Evidently they jacked up their prices when the stimulus checks hit bank accounts and spurred another buying spree. The odd thing is the price on the M&P Shield the wife wants has remained unchanged.
Lots of first time firearms purchasers have made purchases since the pandemic began.
Thanks for the info, Dan. Those may not be ready until sometime this summer. Initially they were to hit the market this month, then I saw an updated May 15th date after the pandemic hit. I’ve seen two different potential prices. One was $199, the other was $299. If it is close to the Gen 3 Glock 19 that is a good price, the Gen 3 was $499 before the pandemic and now isn’t to be found anywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
That looks like something I'd like.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
I wanted a Glock 19, but wasn't willing to spend the dollars for it. I ended up with a Walther Creed at half the price, and ecstatic with the choice. But I might be interested in another if it were a 19 clone at a great price.
Here is an article I read back a few months ago on the PS9. http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2...ry-ps9-dagger/Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
One big selling point I see is that it has the cutout under the trigger guard that a lot of Glock fans have done to make the Glock more comfortable. It also comes with metal sights, another popular Glock swap out.
I have not had a chance to handle one of these yet, but it certainly appears functional, with some nice features to it.
Of course, putting rounds downrange is the real test.
I like what I see, but I'd have to actually hold one and shoot it to decide if I'd buy one.
That is exactly what I told the folks at Palmetto State Armory when I asked them if they had a dealer in KY. I do not think it is worth a drive to South Carolina to make a purchaseQuote:
I like what I see, but I'd have to actually hold one and shoot it to decide if I'd buy one.
I have every intention of ordering one sooner or later. No clue when. But when I do, you are welcome to come try it. I am in Bowling Green some and if you are ever near Muhlenberg or Christian you are welcome to stop by.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
That is a very kind offer, or I may just ask for your product review and decide from that.
Good article and appreciate the photos of it.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
I have an 11-87 Super-mag Special Purpose that doubles as a turkey gun and home defense weapon. Believe me nobody wants to be on the receiving end of a 3 1/2 in. load from that bad boy.It's by far the best shotgun I have ever owned.
I just want it for self protection, I do not want it to blow out the window glass all over the house when I fire it off inside a closed up house.
A 2 3/4” load suits me fine for home defense.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
I picked up a Glock 19 Gen 4 at Rural King at the pre-pandemic $499 price tag. It was among a group of about four or five pistols in that 9mm, 4 inch barrel, and 15 round capacity group I had narrowed things down to. I could have gone with one of my other choices for around that $450-$475 price range, but when I considered the extra mag the Glock comes with and the speed loader it became the better buy. $30-$40 to buy a third magazine and $12-$15 for a speed loader would have put some of the other choices at the price of the Glock or higher.
I still am on the hunt for the home defense shotgun. With the prices of the off the rack shotguns being what they are I think I can buy one much more economically than I can buy a used pump action and build one. Another hindrance is the unavailability of used pump action Mossberg and Remington shot guns. The only used shotguns I have found are single barrels of various manufacturers made on the 30s and 40s or earlier.
Everybody needs a G19.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
If I can get lucky and snag the PSA glock G19 clone I can save about 200.00 and still have what I want. May not be able to get lucky thoughQuote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
Dan, I ended up with the Walther Creed, and I'm very content with it. Beyond content, very happy in fact. It is substituting for a niche I thought I needed (higher capacity reliable 9mm. I have a nice S&W 39-2 9mm, but single stack 8 shot mags).Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
But if they had the PSA Glock clone then that's likely what I would have ended up with. I am looking forward to some of you getting it and letting me know what I'm missing.
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Amazing what one can find just prowling around the net.
II can get a brand new Barrett .50 cal with built in tripod for $8,499.00 and that includes a 25X50 scope. Includes the standard 10 round clip. I just need an additional $7,000.00 in stimulus money.
It is a absolutely beautiful weapon.
https://palmettostatearmory.com/medi...82a1-rifle.jpg
Dan, can you get extended round magazines for that?
Maybe we can all chip in and get a KSR one we can share.
50 round drum mags are available. Only way to make this work is for everybody to get together and I shoot once, you shoot once, and on down the line. You shoot that thing more than once a day and it is gonna hurt.
A big factor for me is availability of a lot of less expensive aftermarket goodies. If the PSA clone can use the most of the a Glock stuff they may have trouble keeping them in stock.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
The Ruger PC Carbine uses Glock mags, and I can see other companies picking up on the use of Glock mags in the future. Patents have expired through Gen 3 and lots of companies are churning out magazines.
I can’t imagine what kind of pain the shooter’s shoulder would be in after emptying a drum out of that .50 cal.Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
That one might blow the glass out of your house too Dan! :friendly_wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue