Trump advocates for Russia to rejoin G7 to make G8

Oh, and here's the truth of Russia and their influence:

what they want isn't for Candidate X or Y to win. They'd love that perhaps, have "their man" in the White House, but that's too much to engineer. What they want pragmatically is exactly what they are getting, division and navel gazing that keeps us distracted and keeps WHOEVER is in office unable to act decisively on the global stage.

They spent money helping Sanders, they fed anti-Trump info to the DNC, they attacked Hillary. What they want is controversy and division, and frankly those on the left are playing right into their hands. That's why their "bots" were supporting the candidates unlikely to win, but then they turn around and provide oppo research to the DNC too.

The willing puppets of Putin are, sadly, those who are so convinced Trump is his puppet.

yes, if Russia was going to put their man in, it would have been Commrade Bernie, not Dom Trump

I don’t know that Bernie has business ties to Russia

I am confident that the investigation is justified and that guilt has already been found in Trump subordinates.

How far that reaches is the only unanswered question

But I don’t mean to offend anyone who might disagree. Still, there is enough bipartisan confidence in the ongoing investigation to support my concerns

but you did know he was a socialist, right?


Lots of people have business ties to Russia and other countries. I recall a past president pushing for a global economy and citizenship

https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/201...-presidencies/

I fear an authoritarian government way more. And that is the path we're on.

I agree with you there and both parties have brought us to that.

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I fear an authoritarian government way more. And that is the path we're on.

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Trump continues to push an isolationist agenda railing against our allies while praising Russia. What is striking is that Putin has used trumps tariffs as an example of why US leadership is bad for the world.

Trump wants to ignore the annexation of Crimea and isolate America totally.

God help us all.

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Trump isn't an isolationist at all. He does want fair trade, and ultimately wants free trade. The F in NAFTA is supposed to stand for free, but it has been free in one direction. For example Canada charges 270% tariffs on US dairy imports, the US charged nothing for Canadian steel. The leftist media think it is appalling that Trump has proposed a 25% tariff on Canadian steel to spur talks to get a more equitable deal.

Every G7 trading partner, China and Russia have similar types of trade deals that screw over Americans.

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Trump isn't an isolationist at all. He does want fair trade, and ultimately wants free trade. The F in NAFTA is supposed to stand for free, but it has been free in one direction. For example Canada charges 270% tariffs on US dairy imports, the US charged nothing for Canadian steel. The leftist media think it is appalling that Trump has proposed a 25% tariff on Canadian steel to spur talks to get a more equitable deal.

Every G7 trading partner, China and Russia have similar types of trade deals that screw over Americans.

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I'm the biggest free trade person you'll ever meet. I believe in it in my soul, and any first year micro economics student should be able to show how tariffs are economically the worst possible policy position you can take.

BUT, it's also true that what we have right now with other nations is NOT free trade. it's free on our end, but they still deny us markets and pressure our companies. Canada not as much as someone like China, but the issues are real and Trump isn't wrong.

Now, I don't support tariffs, but using tariffs as a political tool to get more free trade for the US, that I can't say is wrong. We'll see how he does, but he's not wrong that China for example has vastly exploited our trade relations, esp. the transfer of technology and intellectual property infringement. I it takes some saber rattling to get them to a better deal for us then that's a win.

Free trade is great. Wish we could get some on these areas, and maybe when Trump is done it will be better. We'll see.

"To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values," the Arizona senator tweeted. "Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn't."

..John McCain


“Russia shouldn’t be let back into the G8 until it changes the behavior that caused it to be expelled in the first place,
The fact is Russia still occupies Crimea and continues to fuel a violent conflict in eastern Ukraine. It maintains its support for the murderous Assad regime and aggressively uses disinformation and propaganda in an attempt to undermine, weaken, and divide the United States and our NATO allies. This kind of behavior should be condemned, not rewarded.”

..Ohio senator Rob Portman



“Putin is not our friend and he is not the President's buddy,” Sasse said. “He is a thug using Soviet-style aggression to wage a shadow war against America, and our leaders should act like it.”

..Nebraska senator Ben Sasse

"No, Russia should not be added to the G-7"

..Jeff Flake

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"To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values," the Arizona senator tweeted. "Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn't."

..John McCain

“Russia shouldn’t be let back into the G8 until it changes the behavior that caused it to be expelled in the first place,
The fact is Russia still occupies Crimea and continues to fuel a violent conflict in eastern Ukraine. It maintains its support for the murderous Assad regime and aggressively uses disinformation and propaganda in an attempt to undermine, weaken, and divide the United States and our NATO allies. This kind of behavior should be condemned, not rewarded.”

..Ohio senator Rob Portman

“Putin is not our friend and he is not the President's buddy,” Sasse said. “He is a thug using Soviet-style aggression to wage a shadow war against America, and our leaders should act like it.”

..Nebraska senator Ben Sasse

"No, Russia should not be added to the G-7"

..Jeff Flake

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And what did any one of those men do when Crimea was annexed? Did they try to get sanctions, take any action?

Fact: Trump has done more, but not enough, to bolster the Ukraine against Russia than the previous admin or any of these senators. All they did was political hand wringing. Prove me wrong.

Besides its not clear what Trump wants. Could be a bargaining chip, could be nothing. W him you never know.

BTW, no one has to convince conservatives that Russia is an enemy. We were saying it while Hillary and Obama were funneling billions there with the reset, when they backed Syria, took the Crimea, etc and those on the left who had the power at the time did nothing.

Also when mitt Romney made that point and Obama and the media laughed at him.

I don't want them in the g7, but let's see what happens. So far Trump has stood up to them far more than Obama, no reason to think that will change.

But it is evidence which directly disproves the notion he is somehow beholden to them. That's proving to be pretty far fetched based on his actions.

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Fact: Trump has done more, but not enough, to bolster the Ukraine against Russia than the previous admin or any of these senators. All they did was political hand wringing. Prove me wrong.

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It appears some very bright people in the Republican party believe they could do so.
This just served to point out that they completely disagree with you.

Im way too slow at typing to debate a "schooled" debater..and I lack the endurance to do so on a forum with mainly Trump supporters. :)
I'm only stating my opinion which happens in this instance to have wide and bipartisan support, albeit elsewhere.


“The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holders lack of rational conviction. Opinions in politics and religion are almost always held passionately.”

Most of the folks in this thread debating you aren’t Trump supporters, we’re Libertarians...please pay better attention 😁

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It appears some very bright people in the Republican party believe they could do so.
This just served to point out that they completely disagree with you.

Im way too slow at typing to debate a "schooled" debater..and I lack the endurance to do so on a site with mainly Trump supporters. :)

“Let me never fall into the vulgar mistake of dreaming that I am persecuted whenever I am contradicted.”

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Most of the folks in this thread debating you aren’t Trump supporters, we’re Libertarians...please pay better attention ��

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"To our allies: bipartisan majorities of Americans remain pro-free trade, pro-globalization & supportive of alliances based on 70 years of shared values," the Arizona senator tweeted. "Americans stand with you, even if our president doesn't."

..John McCain


“Russia shouldn’t be let back into the G8 until it changes the behavior that caused it to be expelled in the first place,
The fact is Russia still occupies Crimea and continues to fuel a violent conflict in eastern Ukraine. It maintains its support for the murderous Assad regime and aggressively uses disinformation and propaganda in an attempt to undermine, weaken, and divide the United States and our NATO allies. This kind of behavior should be condemned, not rewarded.”

..Ohio senator Rob Portman



“Putin is not our friend and he is not the President's buddy,” Sasse said. “He is a thug using Soviet-style aggression to wage a shadow war against America, and our leaders should act like it.”

..Nebraska senator Ben Sasse

"No, Russia should not be added to the G-7"

..Jeff Flake

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Refusing to negotiate with the Russians isn’t going to get them out of the Ukraine or Crimea, invasions which occurred under Obama’s watch with no action from Obama. The best hope of getting them out of those regions is at the negotiating table.

McCain is an idiot if he thinks what we have with G7 allies is anywhere near free trade. We allow them free trade while they levy huge tariffs against American products. That is no bueno.

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It appears some very bright people in the Republican party believe they could do so.
This just served to point out that they completely disagree with you.

Im way too slow at typing to debate a "schooled" debater..and I lack the endurance to do so on a site with mainly Trump supporters. :)
I'm only stating my opinion which happens in this instance to have wide and bipartisan support, albeit elsewhere.


“The opinions that are held with passion are always those for which no good ground exists; indeed the passion is the measure of the holders lack of rational conviction. Opinions in politics and religion are almost always held passionately.”

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You didn’t quote a single bright Republican, you quoted guys who are RINOs.

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I fear an authoritarian government way more. And that is the path we're on.

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Authoritarian is where we were headed under Obama’s pen and phone.

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You didn’t quote a single bright Republican, you quoted guys who are RINOs.

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McCain was your candidate for the leader of the free world at one time. So an error in judgement is a possibility.

Or didnt you vote for the senator? ;)

But anyway. I will back out of this discussion. No offense intended
I cant defend myself or the other messengers that get shot down, and I refuse to wave a white flag. So here I sit.

Id like to add that, I tried my darndest at one time to shoot down John McCain,, what he stood for and sadly, even his patriotism and love for this country. I read every negative Democratic blog and every made up story out there. You know what I was left with?

Sarah Palin. The greatest political gift the dems were ever handed. Granted it was a mistake on his part as he admits.

But the Senator is a patriot and a hero. And he obviously cares more for this country than his party affiliation. As he has but a few more days on this earth it would be wise to listen to what he has to say. A good start would be my signature in this thread.
I guarantee you it comes from his heart and the wisdom born of his experience.
One would do well to listen and learn his meaning.

I just wanted to make known my respect for the man. And that respect started way back when our Potus was still a reality TV star.

He would have made a great president.
Just as most of you said.

Good video here about the "cult" thing. How it's now a "cult" if you support Trump. It implies a mindlessness, that no sane person can possibly agree and support him in a reasonable way.

http://video.foxnews.com/v/579768172...#sp=show-clips