OT: Mass shooting in elementary school in Connecticut, 27 dead

Jazy, i agree with you on the goverment taking God out of everything. One other thing is the games these kids play today on the game systems is nothing but killing.

There are a lot of ills in this society that we are incapable of addressing. Kids are being raised in non traditional family units. Our public schools are completely failing kids. Take away guns if you wish and you'll still have a country of sick people. We need some fundamental societal changes.

I can't help but think this all is the result of a total decrease in respect for life. Kids play video games where they become desensitized to firing away at people. Movies glorify killing. The press immortalizes the killers. Babies can be killed up to the point of birth. Just so sad. Will be interesting to hear the motive. Reports say the police have one.

Mick, I hope you do not mind that I changed this quote a bit to reflect my thoughts.

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Kids are being allowed to grow older in non traditional family units

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Ten years ago next month a sixth grade student took another student hostage at our school by gun point. Thankfully one of our teachers and our SRO talked the kid into releasing the hostage. After releasing the hostage he exited the building, still armed. I was on cafeteria duty, with 150+ students. I had them lined up against the walls away from windows and doors. I took a position at the doors to the cafeteria, had them closed, but there was no way to lock them. As the armed student exited the school he walked within feet of me, not knowing I was watching him as he walked by.

Every time an incident like this happens I shudder and think of what might have happpened.

Yep lets blame the liberals because the know it all my **** doesn't stink conservatives know everything...this type of crap after this type of tragedy just makes me sick. The last few posts in this thread make me seriously reevaluate whether or not I want to spend my time around this board.



I have 5 kids in my nontraditional family because for one his traditional family had a mother so mentality ill she couldn't take care of him and a father who left and wanted nothing to do with him, another one had a traditional family with an alcoholic dad 20 years older than mom, then mom died, and he went to another traditional family where the wife died of cancer and the husband molested his older sister, I have another one who's traditional family got a divorce, dad wants nothing to do with him, mom remarried and her and stepdad blamed every problem they had on the kid and said he was a lying, deceitful, violent child of which in the year I have had him he was been the most gentle most honest child I have, I have another child whose mother was from a traditional family who's father went away for molesting his children, and then the sons followed suit and my child is a product of a most unholy union, my youngest's traditional family had dad beating mom, both to young, both drank to much and they let a 2 year old escape the house in below zero weather to wander the streets until luckly found before any damage was done.


Look I have nothing against traditional families, I am from one, but just pisses me off to see such caring conservatives try to take such a tragic thing and act like a bunch of know it alls, like only they know how to fix things. Well guess what the fix for these tragic shootings is much more complex than getting back to "traditional" family values and to suggest that it is that simple is insulting. Plus to act like only liberals try to take advantage of this type of situation is just as insulting. I have no friggin clue what the answer is but I can guarendamntee you it is not as simple as liberal/conservative bull.

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Originally Posted by MTcatfan

Yep lets blame the liberals because the know it all my **** doesn't stink conservatives know everything...this type of crap after this type of tragedy just makes me sick. The last few posts in this thread make me seriously reevaluate whether or not I want to spend my time around this board.



I have 5 kids in my nontraditional family because for one his traditional family had a mother so mentality ill she couldn't take care of him and a father who left and wanted nothing to do with him, another one had a traditional family with an alcoholic dad 20 years older than mom, then mom died, and he went to another traditional family where the wife died of cancer and the husband molested his older sister, I have another one who's traditional family got a divorce, dad wants nothing to do with him, mom remarried and her and stepdad blamed every problem they had on the kid and said he was a lying, deceitful, violent child of which in the year I have had him he was been the most gentle most honest child I have, I have another child whose mother was from a traditional family who's father went away for molesting his children, and then the sons followed suit and my child is a product of a most unholy union, my youngest's traditional family had dad beating mom, both to young, both drank to much and they let a 2 year old escape the house in below zero weather to wander the streets until luckly found before any damage was done.


Look I have nothing against traditional families, I am from one, but just pisses me off to see such caring conservatives try to take such a tragic thing and act like a bunch of know it alls, like only they know how to fix things. Well guess what the fix for these tragic shootings is much more complex than getting back to "traditional" family values and to suggest that it is that simple is insulting. Plus to act like only liberals try to take advantage of this type of situation is just as insulting. I have no friggin clue what the answer is but I can guarendamntee you it is not as simple as liberal/conservative bull.

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Maybe it's bad to compare one tragedy to another, and that's not my intention, but this thing is probably the worst tragedy I have seen in my 55 years on this earth, what with so many pure, innocent lives being lost. What an emotional topic!

Everyone is upset, the entire nation and most of the world.

No one has the complete answer of how to prevent this from happening again. It's going to take many things to fall in line, only one of which is returning to traditional family values, but I'm afraid those days are long gone (for the most part).

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Originally Posted by MTcatfan

Yep lets blame the liberals because the know it all my **** doesn't stink conservatives know everything...this type of crap after this type of tragedy just makes me sick. The last few posts in this thread make me seriously reevaluate whether or not I want to spend my time around this board.



I have 5 kids in my nontraditional family because for one his traditional family had a mother so mentality ill she couldn't take care of him and a father who left and wanted nothing to do with him, another one had a traditional family with an alcoholic dad 20 years older than mom, then mom died, and he went to another traditional family where the wife died of cancer and the husband molested his older sister, I have another one who's traditional family got a divorce, dad wants nothing to do with him, mom remarried and her and stepdad blamed every problem they had on the kid and said he was a lying, deceitful, violent child of which in the year I have had him he was been the most gentle most honest child I have, I have another child whose mother was from a traditional family who's father went away for molesting his children, and then the sons followed suit and my child is a product of a most unholy union, my youngest's traditional family had dad beating mom, both to young, both drank to much and they let a 2 year old escape the house in below zero weather to wander the streets until luckly found before any damage was done.


Look I have nothing against traditional families, I am from one, but just pisses me off to see such caring conservatives try to take such a tragic thing and act like a bunch of know it alls, like only they know how to fix things. Well guess what the fix for these tragic shootings is much more complex than getting back to "traditional" family values and to suggest that it is that simple is insulting. Plus to act like only liberals try to take advantage of this type of situation is just as insulting. I have no friggin clue what the answer is but I can guarendamntee you it is not as simple as liberal/conservative bull.

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Well said and I agree with the first statement very much.

Purely "traditional" values as I think we describe them ended with two bites of fruit.

Adam and Eve had a son who killed his brother.

Evil has been around for a long time. Nothing new is under the sun and our innocense was lost a race with our understanding of being.

This person's sickness is horrific on many levels not the least of which is the cowardice to kill women and children.

I carry the Constitution with me. I am a firm believer in the second amendment. What does this sick bastard do if he doesn't have a gun?

How is he killing the children? How many does he kill?

We got problems in this country. Folks need love. They need a hug. Some need a kick in the ass and others a good shake. All of that with love.

But folks need love before they hurt others. Before they embrace a darkness that overcomes their spirit and leads them off.

For thos of you familiar with the "elf on the shelf" a friend of mine just posted this picture on FB.Attachment 1371

Man, it's going to be a pain in the butt to fix this thread.

OT on the premy board is fine for this topic, focused on our feelings about it and thanking our lucky stars we didn't lose anyone.

The political and religious side of it is why we have the Barber Shop. There you can go and discuss this to your heart's content away from the sports focus that draws us all together.

I'm going to copy this thread there, then delete the Barber Shop area posts from this one.

MTcatfan --- Don't worry. First this stuff is NOT for this board. We come from all walks of life here and those differences are set aside here. We have a place for their discussion and it's not here b/c just like people in general we need to learn to set aside differences when we can.

Second, my life is pretty dang non-traditional in a lot of ways, and all but devoid of religion. I don't accept that such things are the source of this problem just like I don't accept that the weapon he chose to use has anything to do with this problem. This was a mentally ill person who was a threat to others allowed to walk among us. Whether he came from a divorced home or a white picket fence home, whether he used guns or pipe bombs or whatever, none of that matters to the situation and NONE of it is relevant to the discussion of this incident on this board.

Just wanted to say you're not alone on this board. We come from all walks of life, and now it's time to take this discussion away from those who don't want to participate and go to the Barber Shop with it, where it is clear what will be discussed and can be thus avoided or engaged in as one wishes.