Re: Lord help me, but I think a post on the Trump/Charlottsville thing may be interes
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Originally Posted by
dan_bgblue
My thought to a tee since this became a media issue, and after I heard the President make his fateful comment.
This is really where the rubber is meeting the road among reasonable people.
It all comes down to this: do you see Antifa and the others as trying to defend liberty but just overreacting in bad ways, or do you see them as just another name slapped on the same exact racism and hatred embodied by the Nazis?
We all agree the Nazis are evil, but do you see Antifa and the others as just the other side of that same evil coin or are they just the evil of the Nazis being opposed by groups trying to defend equality?
Personally I agree with that guy. While no doubt almost all Americans reject the Nazis, the groups like Antifa that are running around not just opposing Nazis at marches but also starting riots over speakers they don't like on campus, attacking Trump supporters at rallies, etc. are not just opposing racism and fascism. They are racists and fascists who are opposing other racist fascists adn trying to get their brand of racist fascism enacted.
But that's where reasonable people are going to disagree over this, that is the first branch. Are these two sides of a coin held in the Devil's coin purse or are these groups out there fighting for liberty for every American against oppression?
Re: Lord help me, but I think a post on the Trump/Charlottsville thing may be interes
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Originally Posted by
CitizenBBN
I don't think Trump is as alone on his view as the media makes it appear:
http://insider.foxnews.com/2017/08/2...ville-response
This is only 6 people, but it's picked by CNN.
Trump's supporters are upset with him for the distractions, commenting on the MSNBC show and such instead of sticking to the agenda, but they don't disagree with him on his fundamental viewpoint.
In this case the Survey Monkey results make sense. The folks I talk to mostly feel that it is both sides that are a threat, and that the Antifa people shouldn't get a pass and only the white supremacists singled out, as both are hate groups.
I think the media and the Washington beltway (i.e. GOP leadership) are very out of touch with this country. They were when they missed the vein of feelings into which Trump tapped, and they're missing it now by thinking Trump's views are somehow radically out of the mainstream for this country.
An awful lot of Americans think Antifa and the BLM are just as preaching of hate and intolerance and race division as the KKK and Nazis. An awful lot of americans want us to control our borders. An awful lot of Americans want tough talk with our enemies.
It may not be popular with the media or the more blue Americans or even the GOP leadership, but the question I had was if Trump was really so alone, and he's not.
His technique is poor, but that's what you get when you don't elect a politician. Politicians have great technique, just no substance. Trump has substance to spare, he's just so tactless and over the top he's constantly stepping on that substance.
Trump isn't a politician, he is a New Yorker who grew up in the construction business and he talks like a New Yorker in construction. He isn't polished, I don't care.
He isn't stupid. He wants to clean up Washington and Washintimgton is fighting back. He is fighting cheats, crooks, liars from both sides. He talks plain talk. He is tough
The BLM and Aftina with the Black Panthers are just as racist as anything on the right. There are plenty of blacks that are racists, I have been around them. They hate whites and deal with them only because they have to.
The violence comes from the left and most of them are paid thugs.
The ultra left liberal who shot the republican congressman, little was heard of him 48 hours later. And if the fool could shoot as well as I can, it would have been a disastrous result
Trump did nothing wrong, he pointed out the wrong from the left and he condemned the ones on the right, which the media did not want to hear
Re: Lord help me, but I think a post on the Trump/Charlottsville thing may be interes
Re: Lord help me, but I think a post on the Trump/Charlottsville thing may be interes
