Re: Left isn't dumb, they went after DeVoss so hard for good reason
If this was about disarming the OIGs that would be fine. And I am for it.
I actually spoke to Arne Duncan about this unnecessary and dangerous element at ED and other no law enforcement agencies
Re: Left isn't dumb, they went after DeVoss so hard for good reason
I had a feeling that, being a very reasonable person who I respect a lot, you wouldn't be for them having a SWAT type team.
But it goes to the nature of bureaucracy that they do have one, and that they are far from alone.
it's not the people there doing their individual jobs, and esp. not the career civil servants. But bureaucracies as a whole always are looking for ways to expand their size and influence and authority, it's just what they do. It happens inside corporations as well once you get to enough size to have departments battling for budget money.
I don't think that alone is enough to "drain the swamp", but it is a telling symptom of the overall nature of how agencies behave, and that behavior is driven mostly by those at the top who are more interested in their power and authority than in meeting the goals of the entity.
I also worry as to why campus police have armored vehicles and snipers and such too. it's not just the feds, lots of agencies have arms they don't really need.
Re: Left isn't dumb, they went after DeVoss so hard for good reason
Not sure when this occurred maybe right after 911 but I recall a document that went around for clearance and comment. Its budget included weapons. I took exception but was overruled.
Having said that I could see the leadership keeping the guns and getting rod of the rest of us.
Re: Left isn't dumb, they went after DeVoss so hard for good reason
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Catonahottinroof
On the college side....A good start would be rid curriculums of some of the ridiculous Liberal Arts degrees being offered. It is much of the reason many have $100k+ student debt and can't get a job to pay for it.
That and Afro American Studies
http://www.unc.edu/files/2012/06/ccm1_032685.jpg
Which is one reason I'm against "free college". You get a degree and you pay for then you reap the rewards of that degree. Why should the taxpayers foot the bill so somebody can get a degree in English Literature or some other degree that isn't going to help somebody get an actual job?
Re: Left isn't dumb, they went after DeVoss so hard for good reason
Sadly I agree, I could see that happening. I imagine the IRS, EPA and the rest won't easily give up their armed law enforcement either. None of them need it, even the IRS, who has had it for a long time. If they need guns go get regular LEOs for the task.
In fact I'm not sure ATF needs it. Their role was shifted from Treasury but they are largely a tax and regulatory body, I'm not sure that function shouldn't be made part of the FBI or some other more LEO centric agency.
And not to drift too far but why do we have Customs and then DEA and then the FBI, etc.? There's a tremendous overlap in federal law enforcement that I don't fully understand but doubt is really very efficient.
Re: Left isn't dumb, they went after DeVoss so hard for good reason
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CitizenBBN
Sadly I agree, I could see that happening. I imagine the IRS, EPA and the rest won't easily give up their armed law enforcement either. None of them need it, even the IRS, who has had it for a long time. If they need guns go get regular LEOs for the task.
In fact I'm not sure ATF needs it. Their role was shifted from Treasury but they are largely a tax and regulatory body, I'm not sure that function shouldn't be made part of the FBI or some other more LEO centric agency.
And not to drift too far but why do we have Customs and then DEA and then the FBI, etc.? There's a tremendous overlap in federal law enforcement that I don't fully understand but doubt is really very efficient.
We agree 100% on this militarization of agencies whose missions are not national defense or law enforcement.
Agencies have an Office of Inspector General who have investigators. Some of those folks are armed. I don't think any need automatic or semi-automatic rifles, kevlar, etc.
I really don't think our people should be armed at all as honestly any review of an ED grantee or student loan recipient that dangerous should require local or state law enforcement in support. The same could be said of the EPA. The IRS actually has their own court system (or did) and that shocked med.
If it is some large conspiracy you bring in the FBI if local and state authority can't be trusted. But we should not have armed people in our jobs.
Depending on the job descriptions, I could see ED keeping investigators but disarming them.
