The butt of the rifle will work better than the 22 at that range. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
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The butt of the rifle will work better than the 22 at that range. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue
I was watching "top 10 most dangerous moments" of the TV show, "Swamp People" last night. "Bruce" from (Hammond?) was one at the top. He was out alligator fishing/hunting by himself. He was explaining how careful he was, and showed his rifle, along with a backup revolver he kept in a minnow bucket, along with his knife.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
Anyway, he fell out of the boat (of course) with the alligator, and his life was (apparently) in danger. He reaches into the front pocket of his overalls, pulls out a snub-nosed revolver (the other was more like a Colt long barrelled thing), and he snipes the gator on top of him. He kinda grins, and says it's hard to miss from 2 inches away.
I don't want to test that theory with a coon, thanks.
Remington, Winchester, Springfield, etc all made single shot bolt action .22s that ate any ammo you loaded in them.
You need this one Darrell. Actually can't wait until my girls can get something like this.
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I tried to get him a hot purple SCCY, no go. Said he wanted Tennessee Orange or nothing.
The cricket rifles are fun. I started with a full size 22, but anything that gets kids into shooting is great in my book.
Chuck, if you ever run into a "RJ Stevens model 311, double barreled 3" mag . Double triggers, also the longer barrels would be preferred let me know.
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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
That would *almost* work lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by CitizenBBN
This is probably more in line with what you will want: https://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/...+22+LR+21%22+1Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
Mossberg plinkster bolt action. Attachment 6152
I wouldn't mind having one of those.
Yessir, that looks like it would do just fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
The Marlin XT-22 is also a good $200 option: http://m.dickssportinggoods.com/p/ma...xxxrif?&color=
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So Mrs. BEvans just got the Ruger SR22, which now has me thinking of a concealed carry weapon of my own. I'm still thinking the Glock 43, but the Glock 36 in .45 ACP has me intrigued. For Darrell and anyone who's fired both, what are your thoughts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darrell KSR
I prefer shooting the 36 and carrying the 43 (if I owned it, which I don't).
I carry two different ways and I'm fine with the single stack 36, but a buddy of mine says it's just too big for him to carry. That defeats the purpose, doesn't it?
It's not at all for me, although there are times I carry the S&W 642, 38 revolver when it's just better due to what I'm wearing or circumstances.
But I love shooting the 36. Has a nice cannon like sound, isn't snappy and doesn't kick up like some lighter guns, and will have the knockdown power if it is ever needed. I'm just a huge fan of it. With one in the chamber it has 7 shots, and I sometimes carry an extra magazine or two.
I would have no hesitation recommending the 43, though. I think 9mm is fine, even as much as I like 45 caliber.
Can't go wrong with the Glock. Haven't shot either of those but most I talk to are with Darrell, they like the 36 but it can be just a hair big for carry in many circumstances.
I mostly carry revolvers, though I do have a Kel Tec 380 and a 9mm that I use when the revolver wont' work. The 380 doesn't have much punch but you can hide it anywhere. That's the same size as the Ruger LCR and several others.
I recommend one of those as your backup to your carry. When I'm going somewhere and just can't wear the revolver I can carry that 380 in a pocket holster. At least it's something, and I'm a good shot, so it ought to be useful.
But if I were looking for a new piece right now I'd add to taht GLock list the Springfield xds. They have a single stack 45 that is 5+1 capacity and really small. It's comparable to the Glock 43. About the same length, a hair longer in the grip though, which isn't all bad (4.25" v 4.4").
Anyway, it's one I'd definitely go test if I were in the market in that size range.
Of course outside that there are a host of others, from the S&Ws to the Beretta Nano (9mm).
IMO, and you already know this, the biggest thing is to get to a range or at least a store and hold everything you're considering. In the end all of these guns are high end, very reliable guns you can count on. Then it's just down to what you can shoot and operate well.
Not really on my list but I got a good deal on a few AK magazines. Now I need an AK...:)
AK? what kind? I've got a Draco pistol, Romanian WASRs, Saiga, Norinco MAK90s. let me know.
Had a Saiga 12 gauge, sold it, may have wished I kept that one. Got a Century in 308, couple of other odder pieces.
Honestly I do not know much about them. Never wanted one until about 8 hours ago lol I was buying a few AR magazines and got these at a deal with that. I fear 30 round mags will get banned at some point so I bought them.
PSA has some decent prices but that is about as far as I have researched. PM me your prices.
I do like the 7.62x39 round, just never wanted an AK.
Nothing rare and expensive. Just something that shoots and is dependable.
I'll see what I've got. I don't deal much these days but I have a good stock of SKSs and AKs left among other things.
I like the AK because it will shoot under the harshest of conditions. Extremely reliable. But not accurate past about 250 yards, no matter how clean you keep the barrel & the action. And the price of the 7.62 x 39 ammo is excellent in today's market.
But I am a little prejudiced towards my AR-15 and it's variants, it's what I was trained in and know the most about.
But there is nothing wrong with an AK. Nothing.
Speaking of which, before we left for the Philippines & Australia, I had a chance to handle & shoot a Gen 5 Glock 19.
Let's just say that I am now officially on board with Glock. I could see myself buying one of these for either "the Boss" or myself.
I also really like the S&W M&P Compact in 9mm. Small, very accurate, and the prices on them are actually a bit cheaper than the Gen 5 Glock 19. Just a very nice piece of gun hardware.
Those mags fit in the holy grail of SKS, the SKS-D.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
Did not know that. I have two SKS but I'm not sure what they are.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
Have a couple other comments to make, but thought I'd give a video show first on my pocket holster of choice--a Robert Mika hand-made, crafted pocket holster. Just perfect, and reasonably priced.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CdgMghgAay0
Also--here's a great video made by Robert Mika--retired L.A. police officer who does this business. GREAT guy. He called me on New Year's Eve about my order. When my local post office "lost" my order for several weeks (they found it eventually), he offered to make me a replacement one at no charge, which I refused. I told him that I would order another one from him and pay for it, but fortunately, they "found" my package.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QY9mcCcgpvs
The D is a Norinco that was factory built to accept AK magazines.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
I have one I'd part with for the right offer. :) I picked it up and have held onto it, but everything's for sale.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
KW -- only a small number of SKSs were made to hold AK mags. You'll be able to tell b/c the standard SKS mag is a 10 round mag that is fixed to the gun and swings open like a Remington other rifle base plate. If it's been modified to take removable mags they have a long attachment arm on them and are called "duckbill" magazines b/c of it.
The SKS-D was made by Norinco from scratch with a mag well designed for the AK. B/c the AK mags are so much easier to pack and tote than SKS with those duckbills, and so plentiful, people really like them.
I may have 2 of them in fact. Can't remember, I think I picked one up 3-4 years ago, but this last one I got just this year. I really like the SKS, know them pretty well.
Beat me to it while I was typing, lol. Good guns overall.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
I like the SKS. Like the AK, good reliable guns. Bit more accurate than the AK as well on average.
Suncat --
I love the AK, and the SKS, for their reliability. Can soak them in mud and they still fire just fine, mud flying out of them left and right.
They'll never be as accurate as a well tuned AR, just not built for that purpose. But the AK was in part built due to research showing that the vast majority of firefights occur well within 100 yards, so it's just not needed to be accurate past 250. Matters for serious hunting, but not for defense or even small game, woodland or varmint hunting.
Of course you already know all of that, I'm just talking to hear myself talk about AKs b/c I will sit an an empty room at talk about guns. :)
the SKS can get a bit better accuracy, and still able to shoot while full of mud, but the AK is a better design for its purpose, closer range engagements with an enemy shooting back at you.
I think everyone needs an AR, SKS and an AK, and hopefully everyone needs 4-5 of each. :)
I'm in 100% agreement with you CBBN!
I honestly do not know a lot about the SKS, although I have shot a couple of them.
The AK-47 I do know about due to my Army training with them. Uncle Sugar likes his troops well trained in the ways & equipment of our enemies, to that I can attest.
I have always been amazed at how well an AK-47 will function flawlessly under the harshest conditions.
I would love to see the Tavor that the Israelis are transitioning to, and the new rifles that our Chinese enemies are moving into as well. IIRC from my conversation with one of my old Army buddies, both rifles are comparable in form & function, if indeed it might be the same rifle.
IIRC, he told me that the Israeli Tavor is chambered in 5.56 mm, while the Chinese rifle is in 5.45 mm?
And after all of the complaining that the 5.56 mm isn't a good combat round? 😨
The chinese in 5.45 makes sense. for all the comparisons of the 5.56 and the 7.62, the Russians moved to the smaller 5.45x39 in the mid 70s and the AK74 was the the standard service weapon for the USSR and Eastern Bloc, despite the AK47 being the most popular military rifle in the history of the world.
Even the Soviets went with a lighter and higher velocity round more like the 5.56mm. Weight matters a lot and they're lighter and you can carry more.
It's interesting to me the AK74 really has little traction in the US. I've sold a couple, and some ammo, but the 7.62x39mm is the king of the non-US rounds no doubt.
I'm sorta out of the loop on the rifle discussion, but I mentioned that i had a couple other comments to make about the questions BEvans made and CitizenBBN's comments, so I'll add them here. Hope that doesn't mess up the discussion.
Back to the carry question.
The first thing is--if you're going to carry, carry. And if you're going to carry, make sure you get a gun you WILL carry. So to do that the first thing you have to decide may be the most important one.
How will you carry? Will the gun you choose fit those parameters?
I carry IWB (5%) and pocket carry (95%), although that can change at a moment's notice. The G 36 I have is plenty small enough for IWB, probably for almost anybody who carries that way. I have carried a slightly larger weapon, and have friends who do regularly, via IWB. But make sure that isn't too big/uncomfortable for you. Frankly, I *like* a slight discomfort feeling. I want to know it is there all the time. That's a huge plus to me when I carry in that fashion.
If you're an unusual person (I guess it's more unusual than other) and pocket carry, as I do, make sure you are even more comfortable with that. I have, for years, carried a Costanza-sized wallet (actually bigger) in my front pocket. I often carry a bunch of keys there, my cell phone, a decent-sized folding knife, etc. In short, I am used to carrying crap in my front pockets. When I pocket carry, I have two front pockets that have my stuff in it, but one of them is just my 36. Unless the pants have a very "short" pocket--which is unusual for me--it works very fine. But check your own clothes for the size of the pocket, and check your comfort level. If it's too big, and you will occasionally decide not to carry because of it, you have selected the wrong gun. (I do carry my revolver on rare occasion, and sometimes with two speed loaders-but it's rare).
I looked at the XDS CitizenBBN mentioned, and like it as a great choice as well. Have a buddy that went to buy one, and accidentally bought the 9mm version instead. He literally screwed up buying the caliber, but decided just to keep it, even though he had fairly similar 9mm weapon and no .45. Anyway, it's a tad smaller, although about the same weight, same height, just a tad shorter.
What I didn't like about it is the aggressive grip. Call me soft, but it was uncomfortable in my hand. YMMV. Great weapon, though. I think the normal mag is 5 rounds for it, rather than 6, unless you get the extended mag, so you lose a round as well.
Enough about carry, but I really think that's critical. If the 36 (or the XDS chambered in .45) is too big--fine, go with a compact 9mm. That's a better choice if you'll carry it.
Then let's move to shooting it. As CitizenBBN said, what you can shoot with and operate is key. I have a nice Smith & Wesson 39-2 9mm pistol that shoots oh-so sweet. But it's not as "natural" to me as the Glock. Safety and stuff just sorta messes with my mind, unless I'm target practicing. I don't like that. I like having an internal safety and nothing else. I want to not have to think, but react when self-defense is an issue. For me, it's critical that all I have to do is to aim and fire and not worry about whether safety is on or off. Just don't like a thumb safety.
Shooting itself. There are a lot of reviews on the internet--here's one that I think hits much of the things I like about the 36.
Very accurate. The author says "extremely accurate at 30 feet." That's about as good as you can expect, IMHO.
Recoil--in the words of the article, "Perfect." The author expected it to have "major recoil" and to "jump" and "crack" similar to his S&W shield .40 caliber, especially since he was working with a compact .45.
Instead--nothing like that at all. "Very easy" handling. I can also attest to that.
Author rated the 36 on a 5.0 point scale and had "recoil" at a perfect 5.0. For a compact .45 caliber? Are you kidding? Nope--I can shoot it all day, and it stays on target.
Anyway, I didn't mean to tout the 36 like this, but I do think it is a vastly underrated Glock with a super-nice niche, if it fits your lifestyle.
If not--there is absolutely nothing wrong with a G 43 which feels fantastic in your hand, or the XDS (.45 or 9mm), as long as you don't have baby soft hands where the aggressive grip is not comfortable.
But shoot whatever you think you want. What a huge key. What I think is "great" recoil, you may find not pleasing for whatever reason. Also, Glocks in general have a different angle (depending on generation), and some like it, some love it, some hate it. So put it in your hand and make sure you like it. I do. A lot. I try others and just don't like them as much. I think it fits my height very well, but if you're shorter or taller, it may impact how you hold the weapon, too. You want it straight without thinking, as a self-defense weapon.
JMO on all of this nonsense. The keys:
* Get something you will carry. If it's not comfortable for you, and you won't carry it sometime, try another weapon.
* Get something you like to shoot and practice with it. Don't assume that just because a caliber is bigger it will have monster recoil or something. A smaller weapon may have a "snappier" recoil, a "flip," or something that will make shooting not as pleasant, and possibly that double tap shot not nearly as accurate. Or the smaller caliber may fit perfectly for you.
But shoot it and see, if at all possible.
Great post D. Great point that the first thing is to get something you WILL carry. I'm still working with one of the girls at my office finding something, but women dress different and wont' put up with pockets full of stuff, etc. Much harder to figure out.
There's a reason all of these guns sell a lot, b/c there's no one right best answer. Gotta be the right gun for the person.
Those are great points, Darrell.
I don't know if anyone here will remember something that I said about buying a handgun on this forum many years ago, but I stand by it, and you kind of echoed my thoughts with your above post. If you're going to buy a handgun, be sure to pick it up, hold it, and feel it in your hand. If it doesn't fit in your hand at that moment, it is not the right handgun for you.
It has to fit and feel natural in your hand, regardless of caliber. If it doesn't fit in your hand, it's not for you.
Caliber really isn't all that important. But shot placement is, especially in the "Oh No!" situation that I pray none of you ever finds yourself in!
The handgun must be comfortable in your hand. And ease of operation is the next most important factor, so if you buy it, practice with it. Train smart, practice good habits, know your gun and what you and it can do.
And follow the formula for success: 1)have a good grip on the weapon; 2)proper stance; 3)get a good sight picture; 4) proper breathing technique, which is breathe out as you squeeze the trigger; 5)squeeze the trigger, let the gun going off surprise you. DON'T slap or snap the trigger.
Darrell, I checked out your holster video. Good choice, and Mr. Mika sounds like a wiley professional, and probably truly is with over 20 years with the LAPD. Thanks for the video.
He's a really good guy, Suncat. I had two conversations with him over a piddly little purchase I made. As I said, the first one was on New Year's Eve just to tell me he had my order, and the time frame he'd have for making it. The second one was his offer to replace something the post office lost (they found it later)--at his cost, not mine. Crazy good service. And the product is great. I hope anyone who needs a pocket holster will consider using him.Quote:
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The prices are certainly very good.
Women are difficult.Quote:
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I started to say with this area, but really, do I need to add anything beyond those three words?
The revolver I carry is really meant for my oldest daughter. I have two of them, identical S&W 640's. (I misspoke earlier and said 642, which is what they sell now in the lightweight alloy. Both of mine are the heavy stainless steel, circa 1990, but both of mine are 38 special only--they made them around then where they could be chambered in 38 special and .357, which would have been cool, but I don't have those).
My F-I-L thought they would be idea for women's carry because they have an internal hammer, and won't snag (which makes it nice for pocket carry), thinking they could put it in a purse and carry. I'm not a huge fan of purse carry for a lot of reasons, and I bet you aren't either, but women provide a dilemma on how to outfit them with a carry weapon, for sure. Eventually I will give at least one of them to my middle daughter, who I know will carry, and the other--maybe--to my oldest daughter. If I give them both away, I'll probably pick up a 3rd for me. I like it as a rare weapon to carry to fit a peculiar niche, and really, everybody ought to have a revolver. It's as heavy as my Glock 36, though, almost to the ounce, and about a half-pound heavier than the alloy version. I like that.
Trivia: Off duty NYPD police officer entered the World Trade Center during the September 11 attacks, and he carried a Model 640 as his backup gun. It was recovered from the site after the attacks and donated by his family to the NRA National Firearms Museum in Fairfax, Virginia, which I bet would be a cool place to visit.
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https://www.revolvy.com/main/index.p...20640&uid=1575
Man....Mark's Outdoors here in Birmingham has the Glock 17 on sale Friday (Gen 3, though) for $399.
I'm very tempted. I want the 19, though, and I am not going to get both.
Wasn't planning on this but my coworker sold me a 380 Ruger. Avoiding the paper work is always tempting to me.
Budd picked up a Smith and Wesson 642 revolver (similar to mine, but aluminum) for $269 after sale price and two separate $50 rebates.