Donald Trump

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Originally Posted by Thedonnie123

It depends what you consider good, I guess.

The way I see it is he's exposed exactly how much bigotry is still alive in this country. I knew it was still prevalent, especially in the South, but the amount of unbridled hate that people around his campaign feel comfortable with showing publically is incredible. I have a hard time believing Trump himself believes in all of this garbage himself, but is enough of an opportunist to play it for a nomination.

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I have to take exception to your pejorative comment about the south. People frequently say what you have posted. But racism is likely much worse in places like Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Massachusetts. Boston and Detroit areas are two of the worst I have ever experienced. I remember as a kid Dearborn Michigan was horrible. It was all white and racial profiling was a way of life for anyone of color driving through town. Today Gross Pointe is much the same. Boston may still be one of the most racist places in the World. They still like their athletes white in Boston. Black athletes in Boston until the last few years have never been embraced by New Englanders. And while we are at it remember the white cops in Cleveland and Chicago. And does anyone believe there was no racism in Ferguson, MO?

And let's not forget the racism that exists in many large cities such as Baltimore and other cities that are predominantly African American. It goes both ways. Let's put an end to the comments about racism in the South. Racism isn't just about the South. It's just convenient for some to paint it that way. It would be very interesting to study the Trump vote in Massachusetts to see why people there flocked to the Donald.

In Urban parts of Detroit Michigan it's far more than black/white. The middle eastern population has brought a new level of racial hatred to that area.

You are absolutely correct COAHTR. The population of Dearborn is not almost 100% Middle Eastern.

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Originally Posted by MickintheHam

I have to take exception to your pejorative comment about the south. People frequently say what you have posted. But racism is likely much worse in places like Michigan, Ohio, Indiana, and Massachusetts. Boston and Detroit areas are two of the worst I have ever experienced. I remember as a kid Dearborn Michigan was horrible. It was all white and racial profiling was a way of life for anyone of color driving through town. Today Gross Pointe is much the same. Boston may still be one of the most racist places in the World. They still like their athletes white in Boston. Black athletes in Boston until the last few years have never been embraced by New Englanders. And while we are at it remember the white cops in Cleveland and Chicago. And does anyone believe there was no racism in Ferguson, MO?

And let's not forget the racism that exists in many large cities such as Baltimore and other cities that are predominantly African American. It goes both ways. Let's put an end to the comments about racism in the South. Racism isn't just about the South. It's just convenient for some to paint it that way. It would be very interesting to study the Trump vote in Massachusetts to see why people there flocked to the Donald.

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Man. This is why I usually stay away from this part of the board.

I don't just say that willy-nilly repeating stereotypes. I say I knew about it. That's because most of my family are from different areas in the south and many of them, my own father included, are openly racist. It's less about black people than it is middle easterners.

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Originally Posted by Thedonnie123

Man. This is why I usually stay away from this part of the board.

I don't just say that willy-nilly repeating stereotypes. I say I knew about it. That's because most of my family are from different areas in the south and many of them, my own father included, are openly racist. It's less about black people than it is middle easterners.

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Also, what my post was meant to say, perhaps I wasn't clear, is that I knew of what I had seen in the south, but this campaign has shown it to be endemic throughout the country. It's clearly not isolated in the "SEC states."

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I've had to work there in a few instances. It can seem like another country. It got to the point I'd bring my passport and go to Windsor Ontario to eat dinner and for entertainment.

IMHO barring unforeseen circumstances*, we're looking at 2 terms of Hillary Clinton. Trump will split the party (to get a small taste, go on Twitter and search #nevertrump) and insure an HRC election. If the GOP actually tries what is IMHO a cockeyed strategy of denying Trump enough delegates to win and then throwing it to someone other than Trump at the convention, that will also splinter the party and throw it to HRC.



*--Unforeseen circumstances, like an HRC indictment after her IT guy gets granted immunity. I wonder what Joe Biden must be thinking about his decision not to run....

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4WirtqIYAERVMQ.jpg

Then today, Mitt come out and blasts Trump. Too bad Mitt didn't have enough hair on his manhood do to that 4 years ago vs Obama. If he had, perhaps he would have won. Funny that he has the stones to attack a Republican candidate but didn't have the stones to attack a democratic one. THAT tells you a whole lot about the GOP establishment and it pretty much describes why the electorate is so disgusted with them. They will coddle to the left but attack one of the own.

Racism just exists. Not everyone, and for the most part, most people in this country don't ascribe to that nonsense.
But some do. We see it a lot more now than we used to, but we also have more interactive media available to us now than at any other time in our history.
From my point of view, I don't think it's Americans so much as others coming into our country and bringing their deep-rooted prejudices with them from wherever they're coming in from.
Most of the racial comments that I hear come from minorities that have contact with the judicial system.

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Originally Posted by Doc

Then today, Mitt come out and blasts Trump. Too bad Mitt didn't have enough hair on his manhood do to that 4 years ago vs Obama. If he had, perhaps he would have won. Funny that he has the stones to attack a Republican candidate but didn't have the stones to attack a democratic one. THAT tells you a whole lot about the GOP establishment and it pretty much describes why the electorate is so disgusted with them. They will coddle to the left but attack one of the own.

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With all of the talk of a "brokered convention" that is being tossed about, it would not surprise me in the least to find out that the D's & the R's ARE WORKING TOGETHER ON THIS, and should that turn out to be the case, then it is proof that we as American citizens have no say in this election. If the voting public decides they want Trump as their GOP nominee, then I want to believe the matter has been settled. But should that not be the case, then it is my opinion that something else needs to happen, for better or for worse. And if the GOP & the RNC decide that is the route they're going to take, then the consequences for them needs to be bad and ugly.

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Originally Posted by KSRBEvans

IMHO barring unforeseen circumstances*, we're looking at 2 terms of Hillary Clinton. Trump will split the party (to get a small taste, go on Twitter and search #nevertrump) and insure an HRC election. If the GOP actually tries what is IMHO a cockeyed strategy of denying Trump enough delegates to win and then throwing it to someone other than Trump at the convention, that will also splinter the party and throw it to HRC.



*--Unforeseen circumstances, like an HRC indictment after her IT guy gets granted immunity. I wonder what Joe Biden must be thinking about his decision not to run....

http://pbs.twimg.com/media/B4WirtqIYAERVMQ.jpg

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Most likely scenario in my opinion.

If our votes and our wishes as American citizens no longer matter, then the politicians don't matter either, and it's way past time to deal with them. Harshly.

I know many of you do not or will not agree with me about this. Many of you may advocate "working this out somehow". But if they deny the American people their choice of representation to lead this nation in the White House, then it means our government no longer represents us or our best interests anymore. That means we don't matter anymore. I am not willing to accept that. Are you?

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Originally Posted by Doc

Then today, Mitt come out and blasts Trump. Too bad Mitt didn't have enough hair on his manhood do to that 4 years ago vs Obama. If he had, perhaps he would have won. Funny that he has the stones to attack a Republican candidate but didn't have the stones to attack a democratic one. THAT tells you a whole lot about the GOP establishment and it pretty much describes why the electorate is so disgusted with them. They will coddle to the left but attack one of the own.

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Throughout the past few weeks, "establishment" is a word that has been thrown around a lot. I don't consider Mitt "establishment". He's never held office. He is a businessman. In fact, every single elected official did something for work the day before they were elected. If Trump were to become President, he will be a "politician" the next day.
And I also don't buy that Trump isn't beholden to anyone just because he is self-funding his campaign. That guy has deals and loyalty to a lot of people, businesses, etc.

I thought this was an excellent article on how Rubio and Cruz can BOTH stop Trump and allow voters to decide who wins. I would prefer it be Rubio and Kasich, but not sure that combo would be enough.
I have heard many say that these guys should "work together", but this lays out exactly how they could do that and honor voters wishes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...uz-marco-rubio

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Originally Posted by ukpumacat

Throughout the past few weeks, "establishment" is a word that has been thrown around a lot. I don't consider Mitt "establishment". He's never held office. He is a businessman. In fact, every single elected official did something for work the day before they were elected. If Trump were to become President, he will be a "politician" the next day.
And I also don't buy that Trump isn't beholden to anyone just because he is self-funding his campaign. That guy has deals and loyalty to a lot of people, businesses, etc.

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Mitt's never held federal office, but was Massachusetts Governor from 03-07.

However, I do agree that "establishment" is thrown around too much. It's usually used as "any candidate with whom I disagree," when everybody knows the proper definition is "anyone named Bush." :D

We aren't going to see a brokered convention. When you get to the winner take all states Trump is going to roll in a bunch of delegates fast.

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IMHO barring unforeseen circumstances*, we're looking at 2 terms of Hillary Clinton. Trump will split the party (to get a small taste, go on Twitter and search #nevertrump) and insure an HRC election. If the GOP actually tries what is IMHO a cockeyed strategy of denying Trump enough delegates to win and then throwing it to someone other than Trump at the convention, that will also splinter the party and throw it to HRC.

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BE, that was the Clinton/Trump plan from the beginning. Unfortunately the American people are to stupid, dense, or don't care about the fact that she is a criminal that should not be allowed to run for office.

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Originally Posted by ukpumacat

I thought this was an excellent article on how Rubio and Cruz can BOTH stop Trump and allow voters to decide who wins. I would prefer it be Rubio and Kasich, but not sure that combo would be enough.
I have heard many say that these guys should "work together", but this lays out exactly how they could do that and honor voters wishes.

http://www.nationalreview.com/articl...uz-marco-rubio

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I do not see it happening, but could fully support the idea. Like you though, I wish Kasich was teamed with Rubio in that scenario.

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Originally Posted by KSRBEvans

Mitt's never held federal office, but was Massachusetts Governor from 03-07.

However, I do agree that "establishment" is thrown around too much. It's usually used as "any candidate with whom I disagree," when everybody knows the proper definition is "anyone named Bush." :D

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Duh, totally forgot he was governor.

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Originally Posted by dan_bgblue

BE, that was the Clinton/Trump plan from the beginning. Unfortunately the American people are to stupid, dense, or don't care about the fact that she is a criminal that should not be allowed to run for office.

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I have more than a few friends who believe the Trump phenomenon is a Trojan horse for the Democrats. I think Trump started it for attention and it took hold and he ran with it. Hollywood could have never sold the script.

Three of the people I am closest too ave said something to that effect. I think I agree.

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Originally Posted by ShoesSwayedBlue

I have more than a few friends who believe the Trump phenomenon is a Trojan horse for the Democrats. I think Trump started it for attention and it took hold and he ran with it. Hollywood could have never sold the script.

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I'm one of those

Following the Nevada primary, I shook my head as Trump said how he liked the uneducated. He repeated the statement over and over. Folks just cheered. It is crazy in my mind.

Well, I wouldn't put anything past him, but I don't think Trump is a planned Trojan horse.
I just think he is an egotistical narcissist who believes he can win anything. And I think he thinks he can convince people of anything. So I think he saw the Republican Party as the easier party to become a chameleon to.
And frankly, in that regard, he's done a pretty damn good job (as sad as that is).
Oddly, I don't think he's that different than Hillary. I think both are pretty "flexible" when it comes to their core beliefs. And in a weird way, both would probably be ok as a President only in the sense that they would probably make deals with both sides much like Bill did.
But Trump would be embarrassing to the country imo. I just could never vote for someone that actually said he's well endowed during a debate for President.

I was a Rubio fan and after the last couple debates and few weeks of campaigning have changed. Odds are I'll be voting for Kasich on March 15 in the FL primary. Don't expect it to make much difference though.


Trump could be embarrassing to the country but IMO no more than a President who gets called before congress for lying about getting a hummer in the oval office or one who tries to cover up for a break in of the other parties national headquarters............or one who should be indicted for any of a number of crimes.

As for his reference for this no problems down there comment, IMO it wasn't much different than Clinton (Bill) talking about his exploits in the back of his El Camino/astroturf.

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Originally Posted by Doc

I was a Rubio fan and after the last couple debates and few weeks of campaigning have changed. Odds are I'll be voting for Kasich on March 15 in the FL primary. Don't expect it to make much difference though.


Trump could be embarrassing to the country but IMO no more than a President who gets called before congress for lying about getting a hummer in the oval office or one who tries to cover up for a break in of the other parties national headquarters............or one who should be indicted for any of a number of crimes.

As for his reference for this no problems down there comment, IMO it wasn't much different than Clinton (Bill) talking about his exploits in the back of his El Camino/astroturf.

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So what really changed? Are you now self conscious about the size of your hands?

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Originally Posted by MickintheHam

So what really changed? Are you now self conscious about the size of your hands?

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The childish behavior. I thought he was above that.

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Originally Posted by Doc

The childish behavior. I thought he was above that.

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Like I said earlier, that was a suicide mission for Rubio. To take Trump out (or try) he would have to take himself down as well. He did, and now we will see if it works. If it does, it's Cruz who will benefit imo.
People didn't make a big enough deal during Super Tuesday about Trump underperforming. He won a lot of states but almost across the board his numbers were less than the polls.

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Originally Posted by MickintheHam

So what really changed? Are you now self conscious about the size of your hands?

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Is not the size of the hands but the magic in the fingers.

Chicago.

Hope I'm wrong, but I think this is just the beginning.

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Originally Posted by KSRBEvans

Chicago.

Hope I'm wrong, but I think this is just the beginning.

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Supporters of a socialist proud they repressed the democratic process and free speech and association.

I'm sure that fact is utterly lost on them. Fools.

That's because they believe that the only opinion that matters is theirs. They do not care who they hurt, whose rights they violate, only that they get to make the choices for everyone else........and that is ultimately what it is all about. They want to tell everyone else what to do "because we know what's best for everyone".........

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Originally Posted by CitizenBBN

Supporters of a socialist proud they repressed the democratic process and free speech and association.

I'm sure that fact is utterly lost on them. Fools.

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moveon.org should be held accountable, charge the leaders with inciting a riot, Justice department needs to charge them with civil rights violations.

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Originally Posted by KSRBEvans

Chicago.

Hope I'm wrong, but I think this is just the beginning.

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You were right.

This will backfire. Americans have a strong sense of fair play, and even those who dislike Trump will see that he has a right to conduct his campaign and say his piece.

They're going to create a certain sympathy for Trump he'd never get for himself. It won't be a tidal wave, but it will happen IMO. Shouting someone down isn't the American way.

Trump's 1st amendment rights weren't violated. He CHOSE to cancel the event. Chicago police and campus security did NOT advise Trump to cancel, as he has said many times. They specifically told them the protesters were under control, which they were until the announcement of the cancellation. This was all a ploy for Trump to turn himself into a 1st amendment advocate, to further solidify his support, especially as his momentum was starting to slow.

The other Republican candidates absolutely had the correct reaction, but I'm surprised none of them picked up on this well-planned, intentional outcome. The protesters were well organized(not really sure why that's wrong), but Trump was even more prepared.

Disrupting or impeding an event in which the Secret Service provides the protection is a federal crime. For all the whining protestors are doing, the joke is on them in this instance.

I'm thinking of going 3rd party this time around. Looking at one of these:

http://i.imgur.com/LXhpUUj.jpg

http://rlv.zcache.ca/gozer_zuul_2016..._8byvr_512.jpg

I continue to be stunned at the choices we make as a nation of free peoples.

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Originally Posted by Darrell KSR

I continue to be stunned at the choices we make as a nation of free peoples.

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Most people can't separate the ideas of individual liberty from democracy, but the truth is that individual liberty works wonderfully, but democracy really doesn't live up to the hype. it's a deeply flawed system that for a variety of reasons basically pushes us to electing some of the very least qualified and ethical people possible.

Part of it is that honestly not everyone should vote. Not a popular opinion but it's the truth. With rights come responsibilities, in this case the responsibility to have a basic understanding of the nation's structure and needs, yet a huge percentage of Americans can't even name the three branches of government. Also see the video of the guy who went on college campuses getting names on a petition to repeal the First Amendment so people could have "safe spaces" free from ideas they don't like. Sorry, those people shouldn't be voting, or operating heavy machinery, or really taking up perfectly good air for the rest of us.

The broader part is that we unloosed the purse strings of government and as Ben Franklin knew, once people found out they could vote themselves money the system was doomed. When the federal government did very little they had very little power so they were not worth bribing and they couldn't roll enough barrels and raise enough pork to do much damage to the nation as a whole. Now that they control every aspect of everything we do every day without any end in sight (hell guys, they regulate the size and font type of every street sign in America now from Washington, seriously), the level of corruption (both input and output) has gone insane. The input corruption of lobbying and buying politicians is clear (Hillary didnt' get $650K for one speech bc of her oratorical skill), but the output corruption of individual welfare, corporate welfare and massive spending in every direction from health care to tobacco research is bankrupting us.

Yet voters make decisions based on short term goals and personal desires and needs and ideologies they barely can spell much less understand. They have a limited or no understanding of the issues, take no time to find out about them, and believe the most absurd sound bite reduced nonsense as gospel fact. that's not all voters of course, but its a big percentage of them. More people know the three judges on American Idol than they do judges on SCOTUS, or for that matter the Vice President or Senate Majority Leader or House Speaker, etc.

Individually people aren't all stupid, there's a lot of street smarts out there, but at the level of elections we are talking about mob mentality and groupthink and those are incredibly stupid and short sighted and self interested. The same basic organic process that leads to normal people burning cars b/c their sports team won also governs a lot of political outcomes. Not quite as bad, it's a longer process, but there is a lot of herd mentality to it.

Trump is a protest vote, and honestly as I see a lot of the behavior around me I get that frustration. ICE released 19,000 illegal aliens last year who were convicted of crimes instead of deporting them. Of those released they totaled 64,197 criminal convictions between them. Over 12,000 of those were DUIs, and 208 were freakin' MURDERERS.

The best part is the head of ICE was defending them b/c the year before they released 25,000 illegals who should have been deported, so they're getting tougher on things.

When you see that kind of thinking, and immigration is just one sliver of a vast movement towards stupidity the likes of which I cannot fathom, from "safe spaces" and "microaggressions" to having a democratic socialist winning primary elections, I totally get the reaction. I really do.

The sad part isn't that people and Republicans in particular are completely fed up with party politics and the direction of the nation. The sad part is the only person to step in and fill the leadership void for that group was Trump.

But I admit as much as I know the flaws in the man and as much as I have issue with them, I have warmed to it some b/c like the rest I really do relish the idea of putting a massive monkey wrench in the Washington beltway machinations.

BTW, that frustration isn't limited to immigration. That's an issue Trump took up, and it's an issue IMO, but personally I'd have picked the runaway welfare state, runaway regulation and what has to be the most limp and ineffectual foreign policy since the US began having a foreign policy of any note with the Monroe Doctrine.

Health care is another good choice. Just call that one like it is. We have already quasi-socialized medicine since the 60s and the result is the same thing you get every single time you socialize and governmentize anything: runaway costs and lower service levels. There's a shocker.