Mitch vs. Lundergren Grimes

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Originally Posted by Doc

Scott is a better choice than Crist.

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I do agree, Doc. but Scott is not better by much. The guy HATES public service employees, as evidenced by the fact that both he and the legislature keep monkeying with my damn retirement, and the retirements of every other cop, firefighters and EMS/Paramedics in the state. He'll make you believe he loves teachers with the way he carries on about them, but he hates them too.
So we have Obama hugging & loving Charlie Crist, or sneaking, deceitful, possibly thieving Rick Scott.

Great choices, huh? :sAng_soapbox:

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Originally Posted by dan_bgblue

Which hospital is he in? I would like to send him a bigot card

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:sHa_dielaughing:

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Originally Posted by suncat05

I do agree, Doc. but Scott is not better by much. The guy HATES public service employees, as evidenced by the fact that both he and the legislature keep monkeying with my damn retirement, and the retirements of every other cop, firefighters and EMS/Paramedics in the state. He'll make you believe he loves teachers with the way he carries on about them, but he hates them too.
So we have Obama hugging & loving Charlie Crist, or sneaking, deceitful, possibly thieving Rick Scott.

Great choices, huh? :sAng_soapbox:

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My partner's wife is a former teacher, now works as a psychologist, in the school system. There is no belief among them that he loves teachers. All public employees have felt the fiscal pinch. I'm not sure I blame that all on him though as the problem with the pensions isn't his doing. Like so many elected public officials, the consequences down the line are not considered since they are not the ones who have to deal with them.

New NBC poll has Mitch up 8:

http://newscms.nbcnews.com/sites/new...kysept2014.pdf

Many interesting things in the poll's internals, but both Mitch and Grimes have a net unfavorable. Mitch's favorable/unfavorable is -3 among likely voters, -5 among registered voters and -8 among residents. Yet he leads by 8. People are really fed up with politics and politicians.

Grimes seems to be sliding ever so slightly day by day

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is "going dark" (no longer running ads) in the KY race, funneling $ into the GA race:

http://atr.rollcall.com/elections-20...tch-mcconnell/

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Originally Posted by KSRBEvans

The Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee is "going dark" (no longer running ads) in the KY race, funneling $ into the GA race:

http://atr.rollcall.com/elections-20...tch-mcconnell/

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Huge. Their internal polling told them it was a low probability of success compared to other campaigns. Hope they're right, and that they still lose in Georgia.

If Chambliss had not decided to step down, there would be no contest for the seat in GA

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Originally Posted by CitizenBBN

Huge. Their internal polling told them it was a low probability of success compared to other campaigns. Hope they're right, and that they still lose in Georgia.

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Yep, nothing is more indicative as to how things are really going than having the party yank funding from a candidate and spend it elsewhere.

Watch the two youtubes on Grimes.

In the Ky senate seat race, the option are limited in terms of the major parties. Mitch is Mitch but Grimes is not ready for the senate. I wince at her answers and her attempts to criticize Mitch while not really giving the voter a real alternative.

The Dems pulled out because Grimes has run very publicly against Obama and won't admit to voting for him. Hiding behind the ballot box while running for public office is sad.

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Originally Posted by KSRBEvans

New NBC poll has Mitch up 8:

http://newscms.nbcnews.com/sites/new...kysept2014.pdf

Many interesting things in the poll's internals, but both Mitch and Grimes have a net unfavorable. Mitch's favorable/unfavorable is -3 among likely voters, -5 among registered voters and -8 among residents. Yet he leads by 8. People are really fed up with politics and politicians.

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Sad days when MC, especially as he is now, is seen as the better candidate over anyone.

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Originally Posted by kingcat

Sad days when MC, especially as he is now, is seen as the better candidate over anyone.

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I agree, and its a sad day that its possible that he will be the leader of the house. Will he be better than Ried? I'm not so sure. I really does suck that the Republican party can't or won't find a better leader than him and Boehner. Until they do its going to be more of the same.

Video discussion of the DSCC pulling out of the race:

http://video.foxnews.com/v/384112378...#sp=show-clips

The analysis from one guy was solid, he's from Harlan county. Said the DSCC and Grimes thought they could go into southeast Ky and convince them the joblessness etc. was on Mitch, and they're finding that Obama is so deeply disliked it isn't moving enough voters even though Mitch isn't liked and it's not exactly a GOP haven.

Of course that money goes to Georgia, which isn't good news for the overall battle, but maybe it won't pay off there.

Saying that the GOP may be able to shift some money as well in response and shore up in those areas.

FWIW this race, IF Mitch does in fact win, could have helped the GOP a lot by bleeding off a lot of money that could have been spent against the GOP in other key races. Mitch had a warchest that was more local, like coal money, that may not have been spent in those races regardless, but Grimes' money has been national DNC Obama money and that money could have gone to any race in any state.

IF Mitch wins. Still a big huge mile high if.

Mitch has been vulnerable for a while. 30 years in office means a portion of those people who helped elect him are not alive now. Democrats have been salivating for his seat and the Tea Party efforts to "ensure" Republican candidates behave conservatively enough push moderates to the right which further limits a current politican from appealing to modersates in both parties.

I do expect him to win as the more I watched Grimes I knew she was not capable. I think Mitch wins comfortably.

The bad news (if you're a Mitch supporter): new Bluegrass poll has McConnell up only 1, 44-43, among likely voters:

http://www.courier-journal.com/story...nell/17619587/

The good news: that same poll actually had Grimes ahead by 2 three weeks ago. I think it's more of an outlier, since the other polls have been showing McConnell ahead by at least 3. (1 poll had McConnell up 8, but I don't believe that one, either.) The RCP average has McConnell up between 4-5:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...imes-3485.html

I guess I'll take that as good news since it's trending to Mitch.

I see very few signs and bumper stickers generally here in Lexington, but the few I do see are for Grimes. Part of that is my neighborhood being very liberal, but IMO a lot of it is that most who are voting for mitch don't "support" him in the "right man for the job" sense, but in the "right vote to cast given the options" way. We'll show up and vote, but won't really put the Mitch signs in our yard.

Also Lexington won't be what carries him. As we become bigger and more urban we become more liberal. Not really sure why it's that way.

CBS/NY Times poll yesterday has Mitch up 6:

http://today.yougov.com/news/2014/09...round-tracker/

That same poll had Mitch up 4 on 7/24, 5 on 9/2 and 6 on 10/1, so pretty consistent with a small-but-stable lead.

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Just a reminder for you folks in Ky, I know it's a lesser of two evils vote, but we're better off w/ Mitch..... For now


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I would like to see a bigger lead than that. When all the dead people and illegals get through voting, it could wipe that lead out.

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Originally Posted by DanISSELisdaman

I would like to see a bigger lead than that. When all the dead people and illegals get through voting, it could wipe that lead out.

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JMO but she didn't stand a chance.

Good job Ky, 14 points was a lot bigger than the polls suggested. Bad news for you guys is she's back in Frankfort w/ a chip


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So many were skeptical of the 2012 Presidential polls and they were laughed at when the election was over. But when so many polls are so off throughout the country, like they were last night, it feeds the skepticism on their accuracy.

Jack Conway was smart to stay away from 2014. In hindsight, no one was going to beat Mitch this election cycle. The guy's too disciplined, too tough and too well-funded, and the anti-Obama crest was too high.

Now Grimes is damaged goods. She showed she was not ready for the big stage. She can forget about running for Governor or any type of federal office anytime soon. Probably run for SoS again and lay low for awhile.

Oh, and this is awesome:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-app...CKY.jpg&w=1484

I think a real outsider may have been able to beat Mitch, but not a pretty face who has been born and raised in the inner sanctum of a political party that she can't distance herself from enough to get away from Obama.

She was a delegate to the convention, cast her vote for Obama and is funded through the national party so she couldn't get very far away from them with the purse strings attached. A true outsider, like the upset GOP candidate in Virginia, I think could have done it b/c Mitch is stale and not well liked as a long time member of an unpopular Congress, but it would have to be someone who was well financed AND not tied to Obama in any way.

That's a tough order b/c the only people who were going to fund a run at Mitch were going to be Obama people. I don't see how a candidate could have raised the money and run the race without that outside lefty financial support, and how you take that money and then run pro coal and against Obamacare, etc.

Maybe there's hope after all, with this repudiation of big government and leftism. That's not all it was but maybe, just maybe the GOP can put forth some mainstream but libertarian rooted policies and dare Obama to veto them and go down with the ship.

Extremely important victories for the GOP last night and not just Mitch. It will balance the power when a Dem wins the presidency again in the next election.

I don't want to start a new thread, but what's going on with Alaska? What's the delay?

badrose, the Alaska news is reporting that there are still a boatload of absentee ballots to be counted

Alaska

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Originally Posted by badrose

I don't want to start a new thread, but what's going on with Alaska? What's the delay?

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They are notoriously slow due to geography. The republican has a big lead last I heard but huge state with poor transportation system makes quick tabulation of results slow


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Thanks, guys. Makes sense.

I don't think it mattered what Dem ran against Mitch, Obama's policies were on the ballot more so than any single candidate.

A really telling statistic out of the election was how close many of the Senate elections were in states that were deemed blue locks, like Virginia and New Hampshire.

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Originally Posted by badrose

I don't want to start a new thread, but what's going on with Alaska? What's the delay?

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They're busy legalizing weed...


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Originally Posted by blueboss

They're busy smoking weed...


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Fixed it for you. ;-)

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Originally Posted by dan_bgblue

Fixed it for you. ;-)

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In fairness a lot of Alaska is only getting 6-7 hours of daylight this time of year. Not a whole lot to do. lol

Sister in law was a nurse in the service and stationed in AK for a couple of years. I talked her off the ledge a couple of times on the phone while she was there. The twilight for months on end can really mess a person up.

I'm one of the biggest night owls I know and I'm not sure I could take it. Avoiding the early sun hours is one thing, not having the option of any of them for 6 months is another.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2014...cmp=latestnews

54 would be nice.

Read an article today about the leadership vacuum in the Democrat Party created by Obama. Barry has led them over the cliff. Hillary is the only candidate for President with any name recognition or visible support. She may have more downside than upside. The 2010 and 2014 off year elections have wiped the Dems out of Governors and Senators who could put up a fight against Clinton. They have nothing but losers or retreads. Brown is too old to run. Cuomo shows no interest in running. Biden? Seriously? Biden? Eric Holder? Wasserman Shultz? Who?

Looks like Hillary to me. Bring it on baby!

It probably will be Hillary. But if anything about Benghazi gets thrown out and sticks to her she's toast especially after all the foreign policy fiascos, and ALL of the other nonsense coming out of Obama's camp.

But then again, Gruber said Americans are stupid, so maybe that witch does have a good chance of getting elected.