And the leaks begin....

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Originally Posted by KeithKSR

The Democrats lack any common or moral sense.

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Originally Posted by CitizenBBN

BTW, she's out completely now as DNC chair.

Can't you just tell she was a b**** on wheels from her behavior?

But more to the point, was anyone really fooled in this process that they weren't fixing it for Hillary at every turn? The whole point of the DNC's setup was to make sure they could torpedo candidates they thought might win a primary but lose a general election. The super-delegate system was set up in response to the McGovern election, specifically to make sure they could do a lot to override the actual vote counts.

That's the formal system, designed for just this occasion. So why would it be a surprise they'd do other things consistent with that clear goal?

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Wasserman Lundergan Shultz was truly in over her head. Completely unqualified to do the job properly and ethically.

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Originally Posted by KeithKSR

Trump's statements on NATO sound like the the NATO countries he wouldn't defend are those who do not contribute to NATO monetarily.

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Eastern European NATO countries are like Vandy and UK in SEC football. We contribute little but take up valuable space and bolster the footprint.

For Trump to publicly allude to not defending NATO countries and honoring existing US defense treaties is beyond stupid.

It is one thing to say as we strengthen NATO we look for our comrades in arms to help shoulder the defense burden of Europe against a tyrant like Putin.

You cavalierly say the US is unwilling to commit troops to Poland then goodbye Poland.

The Cold War is not over. Winter is coming.

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Originally Posted by MickintheHam

Wasserman Lundergan Shultz was truly in over her head. Completely unqualified to do the job properly and ethically.

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She had exactly the level of ethics that made her ideal for that job. I would think her counterpart in the GOP is comparable.

The difference is the GOP didn't (but tried) to derail the will of the voter.

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Originally Posted by UKHistory

She had exactly the level of ethics that made her ideal for that job. I would think her counterpart in the GOP is comparable.

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You know, if I owned a rope manufacturing plant I wouldn't be able to staff it properly or be able to make as much rope as would be needed...........

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Originally Posted by UKHistory

Eastern European NATO countries are like Vandy and UK in SEC football. We contribute little but take up valuable space and bolster the footprint.

For Trump to publicly allude to not defending NATO countries and honoring existing US defense treaties is beyond stupid.

It is one thing to say as we strengthen NATO we look for our comrades in arms to help shoulder the defense burden of Europe against a tyrant like Putin.

You cavalierly say the US is unwilling to commit troops to Poland then goodbye Poland.

The Cold War is not over. Winter is coming.

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It is also important to note the question was asked of Trump when the coup in Turkey occurred. Should we have gone to Endergon's aid?

There are no absolutes, especially when a war weary people are involved.

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Originally Posted by UKHistory

She had exactly the level of ethics that made her ideal for that job. I would think her counterpart in the GOP is comparable.

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You mean the guy that let the election play out and refused to bend the rules to allow an establishment guy to be drafted and placed in nomination? If Priebus was like DWS he would have behaved much differently when faced with an anti-establishment candidate.

Both parties are guilty of this, but the Dems are recorded with the dirty laundry in their voicemail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXk4E_LS33Q&sns=em

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Originally Posted by KeithKSR

You mean the guy that let the election play out and refused to bend the rules to allow an establishment guy to be drafted and placed in nomination? If Priebus was like DWS he would have behaved much differently when faced with an anti-establishment candidate.

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I never have been a big fan of Priebus, but he won my respect by allowing the voters to decide and not give in to the elite GOP members. Nor did he give in at the beginning of the convention. Voters spoke. They wanted change and a new direction

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Originally Posted by jazyd

I never have been a big fan of Priebus, but he won my respect by allowing the voters to decide and not give in to the elite GOP members. Nor did he give in at the beginning of the convention. Voters spoke. They wanted change and a new direction

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I gained a lot of respect for him over this as well. He stated all along that the candidate wouldn't come from outside of those running when it was down to Cruz, Kasich and Trump. I was skeptical. When he refused to cater to the establishment guys I was most impressed.

Soros hacked. Should be an interesting week....

https://www.rt.com/usa/355919-soros-...iles-released/

This is why we need PRIVATE servers

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Originally Posted by Catonahottinroof

Soros hacked. Should be an interesting week....

https://www.rt.com/usa/355919-soros-...iles-released/

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Could be bad for Dems.

It shows the ability one person has to influence policy. Apparently giving over 60+ mil to the DNC gives him that kind of access. On the repub side that is the Koch Brothers who pull the wrongs they want to pull.

Lot of skeletons in closets being revealed...no such thing as government transparency without this. (I'm not saying it's "right," exactly, but, well, you know....)

I am still of the opinion that there just isn't enough rope.......

Revealing it is absolutely right. Assange et al are doing the job the media "should" be doing.....

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Originally Posted by Darrell KSR

Lot of skeletons in closets being revealed...no such thing as government transparency without this. (I'm not saying it's "right," exactly, but, well, you know....)

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Other than that whole "illegal" thing, well, yeah.

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Originally Posted by suncat05

I am still of the opinion that there just isn't enough rope.......

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I don't know, there seems to be an infinite amount of rope. At some point the cumulative weight of it will cause an impact.

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Originally Posted by Catonahottinroof

It shows the ability one person has to influence policy. Apparently giving over 60+ mil to the DNC gives him that kind of access. On the repub side that is the Koch Brothers who pull the wrongs they want to pull.

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One article pointed out quite rightly IMO that the media always points to the Koch brothers as if they are some menacing force. The Kochs have something over $300 million in their political fund chest, whereas Soros has about $3 BILLION, yet he never gets questioned by the mainstream media at all.

He poured about $33 million into the Ferguson/BLM thing to incite that situation, and has his fingers in the fight against voter ids, immigration and a bevy of worldwide issues.

I'm a big Bernie fan in one regard: he's right when he claims the People are no longer in charge and need to re-take their government. His direction is 100% wrong, but his premise could not be more true.

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Originally Posted by Darrell KSR

Other than that whole "illegal" thing, well, yeah.

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What's interesting is that it seems a lot of it is being revealed with help from those in other camps but still elites. The theory is that Soros was hacked with Russian help b/c Soros and the US government were part of the hack of the Panama Papers.

Hacking and revealing these things is now just another front in the war between elites vying for more power and wealth. Hopefully this one will actually help reduce their influence overall.

It's good that this kind of stuff is revealed. We have a right to know.

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Originally Posted by Darrell KSR

It's good that this kind of stuff is revealed. We have a right to know.

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It would be better if it got more media coverage from the MSM.

It would be better if the MSM media was the one bringing this to light. There is no investigative journalism anymore,

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Originally Posted by KeithKSR

It would be better if it got more media coverage from the MSM.

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Originally Posted by Catonahottinroof

It would be better if the MSM media was the one bringing this to light. There is no investigative journalism anymore,

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It is a far cry from the critical press the founding fathers envisioned.