General COVID vaccination thread

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Originally Posted by dan_bgblue

Risky gain of function research is mired in secrecy after the coronavirus pandemic

Shortly after the coronavirus outbreak, influential leaders in the science community huddled to say the deadly virus most likely originated naturally from an animal transfer to humans.

New reporting from Fox News' "Special Report" showed there was an effort by Dr. Anthony Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases, then-National Institutes of Health Director Francis Collins, and other scientists to not mention the possibility of the virus originating in a lab. The consensus was reached on a call in early 2020 that the lab leak theory should be left out of an early paper on COVID-19 origins because it will add "fuel to the conspiracists."

In other words, lie to the ignorant, unwashed masses, as they are too stupid to hear the real facts and make a reasoned decision on their own, and it is very important to not piss of the Chinese

Two years later, there is no definitive proof that the virus started in nature or that it leaked from a lab. But the theory that the virus originated at the Wuhan Institute of Virology, which studies coronaviruses, is no longer shunned as a conspiracy and is gaining more traction among scientific communities calling for further inquiry.

FOX NEWS SPECIAL REPORT OUTLINES FRESH QUESTIONS ON WHAT FAUCI, GOVERNMENT KNEW ABOUT COVID ORIGIN

Fox News talked to several scientists and investigators who have studied COVID-19 origins, and here are some reasons – science-based and circumstantial – why they believe the evidence points to the global pandemic originating from a Wuhan lab, possibly from a researcher accidentally getting infected during an experiment with coronaviruses and spreading it into the community.

"When you evaluate the two theories, it is so overwhelmingly in favor of the lab leak that everything else is just incidental evidence about the details of what happened," said Richard Muller, emeritus professor of physics at the University of California Berkeley, who has been a strong advocate for the lab-leak theory.

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For the life of me, I can't figure out why Fox News keeps pushing this lab created virus story. The virus has NONE of the hallmarks of genetic engineering or gain of function research. Literally zero. These kinds of manipulations impact the genetic code and physical structure in very distinct ways. Without those, everything else is just narrative fitting, starting with a story and trying to a spin things to fit your narrative, rather than a focus on the truth. It's like calling a car an airplane because it has wheels, a motor, and can go airborne if you push it off a cliff and ignoring the lack of lift producing wings, a means to move air, or any true capability of flight.

Walking through their points:

1. Not finding something in nature is not the same thing as it not existing in nature. It just means we just haven't found samples from the right host reservoir yet.

2. The earliest documented case of the original strain goes back to November 17th, 2019. It is very likely there were isolated minor cases going back to October. Again, lack of samples doesn't mean lack of existence.

3. This is a total fabrication. Nothing about the furin cleavage site or the genetic pattern is unique. The issue was, at the start of the pandemic, very few people bothered to specifically look for those and so a few took that as it's novel. Turns out they are both very common even within betacoronidae.

4. The virus actually wasnt that well adapted to cause a pandemic. Modelling studies using after the fact data have shown that 2 out of 3 times, the pandemic would have fizzled out. That being said, even if it appeared almost fully capable, this isn't unexpected. RNA viruses are very prone to recombination events and translational slips. Any of these events could, by chance, result in a virus with a sufficiently adapted structure. We have seen this in the past with other RNA viruses. As for it being well adapted, it clearly wasn't THAT well adapted. What do you think all these variants are? They are the virus refining the itself. Hell even the original A variant was rapidly replaced by a new variant while it was still in China. That's why all the variant IDs start with the letter B.

5. Again, gain of function research leaves fingerprints on the virus. That's an unavoidable physical fact.

6. There are a multitude of possible reasons that China could be shady. I actually think that it is far more likely that they isolated this virus from nature and lax safety practices resulted in a release. Even this doesn't fit the fact that after-the-fact sequencing of samples show that the virus was suddenly wide spread through the region (this strongly supports a natural source). Alternately, the lab discovered this virus in a natural host (say the state owned fur farms in the state).



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The only thing that I am smart enough to understand in the last few posts, is that I am least smart enough to not drink my own piss.

Serious note. My brother got boosted on Friday and has developed a large knot between this chest and arm pit. I told him to call his doctor tomorrow if it still there and sore.

Pedro, I have no idea if the virus is a result of gain of function. Based on trusting you I assume it is not. I'm satisfied with that.

However, I am solidly convinced it came from that lab. The odds of it having naturally crossed over from a wet market that happens to be a baseball throw from a lab testing and experimenting on those viruses is just next to zero. Esp. when we know for a fact that lab was sub-standard, which was the main justification for getting US grant money in the first place.

What's significant about the gain of function research is this:

1) it's further confirmation that research on these viruses was being done there, and we know the lab was sub-standard per State Department reports. Whether it was gain of function or not really isn't relevant. The NIH and US government was funding research in China, for reasons that baffle me utterly given the are not some destitute countr, and that country's poor procedures unleashed this on the world.

2) The NIH and other officials blatantly lied to both Congress and the American people. Fauci knew there was gain of function research being funded, and whether that was the bug that got out or not he lied about it. He should be in jail for lying under oath, his fat retirement and salary gone.

We continue to tolerate lying, obfuscation and outright corruption at the highest levels of our government, and then wonder why we have such bad government.

I get that it's misleading to sell this virus as the result of building a super-bug or a biological weapon, but it is NOT at all misleading to conclude this disaster is the result of poor procedures in a chinese lab and that US and other officials were complicit in covering it up because of their fear of their decisions to fund the lab, including funding gain of function research.

so the facts of the case are deeply significant, even though I agree the media is distorting them on both sides. One dismissing it as a non-story, the other missing the point and over selling it as something it isn't.

Information that US scientists and Wuhan Chi-Coms in Cahoots Revealed

In October 2017 – when most Americans never heard the word coronavirus, and SARS was, if anything, a distant memory – the U.S. government was planning joint research projects with China’s Wuhan Institute of Virology.

That’s when Gray Handley, associate director of the National Institute for Allergies and Infectious Diseases, forwarded the information to colleagues that said, "China’s Interest in the Global Virome Project Presents an Opportunity for Global Health Cooperation."

"U.S.-China collaboration on the Global Virome Project is an opportunity to lead innovation in science, collaborate with China, and potentially contribute to scientific breakthroughs," said the summary of the Global Virome Project in the email that was part of 92 pages obtained by the conservative group Judicial Watch in a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit with the National Institutes of Health.

The documents show that cooperation would include efforts in the coming years, such as U.S. government scientists providing training for Wuhan lab scientists in 2018. A key selling point was such a partnership would mean "pandemic preparedness" and "enable rapid detection" of viruses to prevent outbreaks. But by January 2020, U.S. health officials noted the Chinese government wasn’t being forthcoming about an outbreak, reluctant to say if it was related to the severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS).

The 2019 novel coronavirus, better known as COVID-19, is also known as SARS-CoV-2.

Things that make you go hhmm^^


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I got it… a co worker tested + on Thursday. I got all sneezy and congested last night, took a home test and it came up +… did a retest, same +.

So far this thing is like a head cold, congestion and fatigue.


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Good luck with it, hope it passes quickly.

I was sick all week with a flu/cold thing, but tests were negative for Covid. Ran through my office, multiple of us got tested, all negatives. Guess I'm old school, get sick with the old school viruses. lol.

You were vaccinated I recall? It seems with the vaccination you generally get a nasty cold out of it, which of course is the goal of the vaccine.

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Originally Posted by blueboss

So far this thing is like a head cold, congestion and fatigue.

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Keep moving and stay active if you can!

Active and moving is a challenge at this point…. I took the garbage out and had to rest on the way back, and it isn’t that far.

Right now, I’m going in ebbs and flows with Benadryl and Tylenol. I feel decent for a while then they wear off and I feel yucky again.


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Sorry to hear that. EmergenCee and a zinc tablet twice a day sez notadoc bigsky.

If you are that short of breath, a visit to the emergency room is probably in order. Take care of yourself!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by dan_bgblue

If you are that short of breath, a visit to the emergency room is probably in order. Take care of yourself!!!!!!!!!

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Yep! Don’t wait.

If it is anything like my second shot. It sucks all energy from you and I see why it impacts the elderly so much.


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Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat

Yep! Don’t wait.

If it is anything like my second shot. It sucks all energy from you and I see why it impacts the elderly so much.


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At 68 years old, I have been really fortunate in that respect. I got the 2 Pfizer shots to begin with then have had the 2 boosters, and the only downside to any of them have been soreness the next day at the injection site and then it was gone the following day.

I’m not really exhibiting any shortness of breath, I’m just congested, achey and fatigued. I’m moving around ok, just slowly.

Ive been eating Tylenol for aches and Benadryl for congestion.

I think we’ve got mucinex and I’ve got prescription cough pills, those pearl things. I forgot about emergen C, I’ve got that too.

Nothing has gotten better today, but it hasn’t gotten worse either.


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Mine weakened after four days. Ms boss, started feeling bad Tuesday, tested + on Wednesday. I currently have her at out patient getting anti body infusion. Hers has been worse, due to underlying health issues COPD..

I could use the KSR, friends and family prayer wagon loaded up.


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Originally Posted by blueboss

Mine weakened after four days. Ms boss, started feeling bad Tuesday, tested + on Wednesday. I currently have her at out patient getting anti body infusion. Hers has been worse, due to underlying health issues COPD..

I could use the KSR, friends and family prayer wagon loaded up.


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You certainly have our prayers. Sounds like the infusion is taking place at the very best time, within the first four days of symptoms. I feel very confident that will do the job as it did for Donna.
God bless and keep you both.

Prayers going up!

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Originally Posted by blueboss

Mine weakened after four days. Ms boss, started feeling bad Tuesday, tested + on Wednesday. I currently have her at out patient getting anti body infusion. Hers has been worse, due to underlying health issues COPD..

I could use the KSR, friends and family prayer wagon loaded up.


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You've got em, Blueboss.

Done, and will continue until I hear they are no longer needed.

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Mine weakened after four days. Ms boss, started feeling bad Tuesday, tested + on Wednesday. I currently have her at out patient getting anti body infusion. Hers has been worse, due to underlying health issues COPD..

I could use the KSR, friends and family prayer wagon loaded up.


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You have my prayers blueboss!

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Thanks to all!!

…it’s baby steps, but Ms boss is showing signs of improvement today.

It appears the Covid is lightening up, it’s day four. The bronchitis seems to be better, pounding it with steroids, and antibiotics…


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Glad things are improving Boss. Keep us informed as you can.

Ditto, Blueboss. Keep up the recovery! We will keep the prayers going.

How are things going this morning boss? I am hoping to hear good news

It is good news, I don’t mind saying I was pretty worried at the onset back on Wednesday. Ms boss is improving slowly but surely. The bronchitis is lingering but we got it before it went into pneumonia.

The infusion seemed to hold the the rona in check. Luckily, I got mine and was pretty well over it when she came down with it… afforded me the chance to take care of her needs.

Lord works in mysterious ways… thanks for all the prayers, KSR carries some serious weight with the Big Man.


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Thanks for sharing the report. I am very glad that she is on the mend, and also hope that the bronchial tubes clear up soon.

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It is good news, I don’t mind saying I was pretty worried at the onset back on Wednesday. Ms boss is improving slowly but surely. The bronchitis is lingering but we got it before it went into pneumonia.

The infusion seemed to hold the the rona in check. Luckily, I got mine and was pretty well over it when she came down with it… afforded me the chance to take care of her needs.

Lord works in mysterious ways… thanks for all the prayers, KSR carries some serious weight with the Big Man.


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Glad to hear it. Prayers that she continues getting better!

Good to hear Blueboss!

I hate to use the term “bitched at” because one might conclude I’m referring to whoever “bitched” at me is a bitch.

For a lack of better term, Ms boss expressed something adamantly to me this morning that I may have dropped the ball on over the last couple of weeks. I was pleased to take it.

She “is” feeling better…

…I took care of it this afternoon.

Now she just needs to rest and regain her strength.

The KSR prayer wagon is powerful. Thanks to all!!

…and The Big Guy, of course.


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Nah, it's "bitching". Doesn't make the source of it a bitch, but I think in a very gender neutral way it's "bitching".

I won't comment on how that is a good sign, lol, but I think you're OK there on the description. :)

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I hate to use the term “bitched at” because one might conclude I’m referring to whoever “bitched” at me is a bitch.

For a lack of better term, Ms boss expressed something adamantly to me this morning that I may have dropped the ball on over the last couple of weeks. I was pleased to take it.

She “is” feeling better…

…I took care of it this afternoon.

Now she just needs to rest and regain her strength.

The KSR prayer wagon is powerful. Thanks to all!!

…and The Big Guy, of course.


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Forgot to wash the dishes, do the laundry, do the vacuuming and dusting, and sort the mail? Don't tell us that you forgot to cough up some Biden money and pay the utility bills before they cut you off?

Actually, I have been doing the household chores, including laundry, dishes, grocery.

I had a plumbing issue last fall, the guy that did the repair offered me a side deal on installing a french drain between my house and garage. I had a quote from a guy, but this guy came in for a third of the quotes I was receiving.

We both agreed to get it done in the spring so I could go straight into the grass growing season to get the yard back in shape quicker. Anyway it’s a pretty big job as it is going to run the entire length of the house and beyond to direct the water down the slope of my back yard.

The guy has been canceling for the last couple of months for various reasons including hospitalization due to Covid, rainy weather on weekends etc.

The Mrs. got kind of adamant about getting it done… oddly, she really knows nothing about it and the only reason she’s aware of the task is the guy has dropped a lot of the material ( pipe tubing, a roll of some mesh material etc) off that she doesn’t like cluttering up the area he has it stored.


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Ms. boss, still has a deep cough and rattle, called the MD for a video conference, she immediately sent her to get chest X-rays to check for pneumonia.

X-rays came back negative, so that’s a huge relief.

Hers is a slow road to recovery, baby steps and rest.


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Sorry about your wife’s health. I’m convinced the monoclonal antibody infusion very early helped me fight it off. And between natural immunity, even with as little as I have, and the antibodies, I got some “immunity” for months afterwards.

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Sorry about your wife’s health. I’m convinced the monoclonal antibody infusion very early helped me fight it off. And between natural immunity, even with as little as I have, and the antibodies, I got some “immunity” for months afterwards.

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Her GP (Doc) told my wife that the antibodies provided very good protection six to eight months out.

Being unvaccinated, on the fourth day of symptomatic covid and already with covid pneumonia, she received the monoclonal antibody infusion and within three days her lungs were clear. Listening to her breathe the day before her visit to the hospital I stayed awake all night wondering if she could keep up the labored, shallow breathing.

It is 100% certain that M.A. works wonders if administered early on. After ten days of symptoms it likely wont help older folks, and from four days on the related positive outcome begins to generally decline.

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Sorry about your wife’s health. I’m convinced the monoclonal antibody infusion very early helped me fight it off. And between natural immunity, even with as little as I have, and the antibodies, I got some “immunity” for months afterwards.

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I believe the MA infusion greatly helped Ms. boss, and knocked the the Covid down. Her problem was it went into a bronchial infection. Good news/bad news, the bronchial thing can be treated with antibiotics, and steroids…. She is getting better.


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Good deal boss.

I'm seeing more and more masks in the stores. Not a lot, but I am seeing an uptick.

I think it's going to be really hard to reinstitute a mask requirement, even if it might do some good. I get the sense there's not a public will to return to that.

Perhaps not coincidentally, we're seeing a sudden increase in Covid cases where I work, and where virtually everyone is vaccinated, and there are many of us who have tested negative for Covid but have a lingering upper respiratory thing. I'm on week 2 of mine--no fever, not contagious (I think), but a lingering cough.