Been vaccinated, mild symtoms
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Been vaccinated, mild symtoms
Most folks who have been vaccinated should have mild symptoms. Lots of misinformation being passed (on social media) that vaccines will keep you from getting it, which they may. But with this disease the benefit seems to be minimizing symptoms and severity of illness. Like everybody who gets it, I wish Matt a speedy recovery.
Just closed on a place in Florida last week (yay!). Our realtor and her husband had been vaccinated but tested positive after one of their kids brought it home. The whole family was quarantined but she and her husband had only mild symptoms.
Everybody has to make their own decision, but that's why I got the vaccine. I knew it didn't provide 100% protection from infection, but I was a lot less likely to get seriously ill or die from it.
I've known a lot more people who have gotten it this time
We had a technician here at work come in Sat with a fever and feeling lousy. We sent him home. He tested positive. He has not been vaccinated (his choice). Hope he has minimal effects. His wife and kids also positive.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSRBEvans
Now I have to monitor the staff for anybody feeling ill, to be sure they don't come to work.
From those around here that I know, men around 50 need to be careful. Seems those are getting it the hardest from the ones I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Blue
Cal got it too.
Evans! Where in Florida?Quote:
Originally Posted by KSRBEvans
I’ve noticed a trend with Delta. As the time Delta circulates in a region increases the percentage of infected vaccinated among daily case counts seems to increase. I don’t know what state numbers look like as they don’t include the number of positive cases that are vaccinated. Our county health department posts daily updates that include the number of vaccinated people who test positive. A month ago about 1 in 20 cases were vaccinated, now nearly 20% of the positive cases are from the vaccinated group. A couple of weeks ago I read an article that said that in the LA area 30% of the daily cases were vaccinated. I would think some vaccinated people could contract Covid and symptoms will be so mild they may not realize they have the virus.
I’ve thought we would have another wave of the virus, but with the current numbers we may reach herd immunity before that happens.
No vaccine is 100 percent effective. I took the flu shot a few years back and got the worst case of it I ever had in my life. Like you, I got the vaccine. Second Pfizer shot last Friday. I’ve told anyone who asks me that I’d recommend it but ultimately, it is their choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by KSRBEvans
The Villages, baby! Golf Cart Heaven! :D It's really beautiful and so much to do--very nice folks, too. Mrs. BEvans retired last year and is down there starting to live her best life--I'll be flying back & forth.Quote:
Originally Posted by suncat05
Here in our community we have had a 51 year-old middle school teacher pass recently from Covid and we have another, either 47 or 48, that has been in the hospital for 3 weeks.Quote:
Originally Posted by KentuckyWildcat
I have both had the disease and am also vaccinated. As it happened, I received the first shot and learned 10 minutes later that my wife had tested positive. I thought I might be in trouble, but I had an exceptionally mild case, completely asymptomatic, though I did have a viral cough for 10 weeks afterward. That can happen with any flu.
FWIW, I was hauled into Kaiser last week for a booster shot. (I take methotrexate, an immunosuppressant, for an arthritic condition, and have for 30 years. That's why the priority.) The booster, it turns out, is exactly the same formula and quantity as the second vaccine shot. If they are giving shots to people in my status, they will be freely available very shortly.
I do not understand why governments at every level (Fed, State, and local) are not going in an vaccine passport direction. The Florida statue, which criminalizes making the passport a requirement, seems to me madness. It goes against the grain to require the shot legally, but putting a social sanction - blocking access to restaurants, movies, spectator sports - seems to me entirely kosher.
I had covid in late February, was offered and accepted the infusion IV , within a couple of hours began to feel better. Very fortunate, have since been vaccinated , wife had covid a few weeks ago but I never got it this time.
Headed to a funeral on Friday for my cousin, she had the vaccine but waited too long to go to the hospital as with most nurses, then ended up having underlying conditions which caused an emergency surgery. She made it through all of it but a few days after surgery turned for the worse and went on a vent and died within 24 hours. I think the vaccine would have kept her around if it wasnt for the surgery. Sad deal she was in her mid 60s i believe. My son also has it for the second time and he's a typical college male that doesnt want to get vaccinated. No symptoms this time either, only reason he knew was because he had strep. as i said on the other board i wanted to test him for covid to confirm it wasnt a false positive, and i did and it came back positive. were all vaxed but the other son, so we havent had it yet as far as i know.
Vaccine passport requirements aren’t really indicative of anything regarding a person’s current status. People that are vaccinated can still contract the virus and pass the virus to others. The current status isn’t a permanent situation, all pandemics run their course.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genuine Realist
It seems the biggest misnomer of the entire pandemic was originally that a) Asymptomatic people do not have and are not spreading Covid and now b)Vaccinated people do not have and are not spreading Covid. Those things often are ignored because that is the only way to continue normal life in school and work without everyone testing daily. Meanwhile the unsuspecting are spreading it like wildfire, especially the younger generation. I came to this realization last year when my asymptomatic kids passed it around to us and who knows how many others before we figured it out. Its all around us and we just have to brace for the best with the vaccine and ride it out, while still living life. I hate this for the older generation the most, has to be depressing.
My daughter’s mother in law had the infusion about a week ago, a couple of hours afterward she had improved drastically. Yesterday a former coworker had the infusion, went home took a nap. When she woke up a couple of hours later most of her symptoms were gone.Quote:
Originally Posted by ebarbaau
Early treatment is a huge key. The clinic my daughter works at puts people on a Z pack, prednisone, Vitamins C & D, zinc, Pepcid and baby aspirin. It has really cut down on hospitalizations.
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Originally Posted by Padukacat
The results of a study released last week certainly supports the notion that a lot more Americans have had the virus than the numbers might indicate. The study indicates that as many as 83% of Americans the virus antibodies.
https://www.cnn.ph/world/2021/9/3/Am...ronavirus.html
Much of the hesitancy to do it was political.Quote:
Originally Posted by Genuine Realist
But, that is changing. The majority of Americans now support vaccine being required to do all sorts of things:
https://news.gallup.com/poll/354506/...uirements.aspx
My daughter tested positive Sunday. Her husband is deployed in Bahrain, so she’s home with their kids 1 yo, 10 yo, and a 13 yo. She and the 13 yo are the only two vaccinated in the household.
Tough taking care of the baby and a 10 yo having covid. While her symptoms are very mild her biggest concern is the two children not vaccinated especially the 1 yo.
The 13 yo is a huge help, plus their Navy family. It never ceases to amaze me how close the Navy family is and how far they go to help each other whether spouses are deployed or not. There is a steady stream of people in and out of her house 24/7 taking care of anything that needs to done.
While I’m 10 hours away, I’m at complete ease knowing her and her family are being cared for.
What is the infusion?
It’s the antibodies infusion. They harvested antibodies from people that have had the virus and give them to someone recently infected. It’s having great success.Quote:
Originally Posted by bigsky
I generally have tried to avoid these discussions but have to ask, isn’t the point of vaccines to give the body an opportunity to prepare for a future attack by getting your immune system primed to create your own antibodies when needed?Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
If someone refuses on principle from taking a Covid vaccine designed to allow them to create their own antibodies because it’s somehow considered unnatural etc., it seems contradictory and illogical for that person to later accept a cocktail of someone else’s antibodies. Maybe the simple fact that THEY get sick changes their feelings on the matter?
My coworker has been vaccinate, and should have been protected by her antibodies from the vaccine. My bigger question is why are the donated antibodies more effective than the vaccine?Quote:
Originally Posted by JPScott
They aren't. One is for prevention and the other for treatment. Completely different. Not only that, they are different types of antibodies which Pedro can probably explain much better than I can.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
Final thing I will say, is yes, those infusions have worked for some to feel better. But they do not work for many many people. That is why we are losing 2,000-3,000 people a day to Covid right now.
There is some kind of weird obsession that has happened in some circles with Covid treatments vs Covid preventative measures (masks and vaccines). These are not competitive. Both were created by Science. Both work in totally different ways.
But, 99% of the people dying (and this has been true for months) are unvaccinated (including many that were treated with infusions and many other measures to save them).
Vaccines absolutely, without a doubt work and this is not even debatable statistically speaking.
Maybe it’s just a matter of more is better? More antibodies physically present to fight off the virus or possibly more variation in antibodies. If that’s true then I’m sure there’s probably immunologists studying that very question.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
Wish we had an accurate figure of complications from taking the shot. A friends daughter got a mini stroke after first shot, neurologist told her caused by shot. Some of his grandson's friends got "palsy" after taking. My gut tells me these cases are rare but probably happen more often than we think. Why we shouldn't force people to take
At the nursing home my wife and daughter work at the guy that manages the cafeteria has been a mess since taking the second shot. I don’t know what the issues are, but he can’t hardly walk now, he was fine before taking the vaccine. His doctor said his issues are due to the vaccine. An office worker died from a heart attack within a short time of taking the vaccine, myocarditis from the vaccine brought on the heart attack. The residents they lost to the virus were all vaccinated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Blue
I'm moving this thread to the Front Porch. It is now 100% non-sports, and barely was to start. I'll leave a redirect on this one for those wishing to continue the discussion.
As of right now this isn't really political so I chose the Front Porch.
FWIW, this kind of anecdotal approach is dangerous at best, and grossly misleading at worst.
I know a guy who dropped dead jogging. Does that mean jogging is unhealthy? Well it sure was for him. We all know of athletes who drop dead while playing sports, often finding an underlying condition they didn't know existed, like an enlarged heart.
It's a given that some will have bad reactions to any vaccine, and that has been going on since the first vaccines. The statistical truth is that it's such a small number of people compared to the benefit that it's still a good decision.
People die while in surgery a lot too. Does that mean you don't go get a needed surgery and hope that the clot doesn't move or that the condition just improves? No, you weigh the risks of the procedure against the risk of doing nothing.
Do that in this case and it's pretty clear what people need to do. A very small risk of adverse reactions from the vaccine compared to a much greater chance of long term damage or death from Covid. Mathematically this is a no-brainer.
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Originally Posted by bigsky
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OK, there is a lot to unpack here and discuss (some of it technical) but I will do my best. Antibodies are actually my exact field, just on the diagnostics side of things rather than therapeutic. Because of this, apologies if I get to deep.Quote:
Originally Posted by ukpumacat
First off, most of the infusions that people are talking about are not convalescent plasma, they are monoclonal antibody infusions produced by a few different companies (Regeneron, Eli Lilly, etc.). When administered early on, these infusions can reduce the risk of hospitalization by up to 70% (which is incredible). The key point is if administered early on; if not, they rapidly become less and less effective.
Getting into the technical details:
Monoclonal means the antibodies are a single type (clone) which is specific for a single binding site (called an epitope) on the target substance (called an antigen). Our body seldom produces monoclonal antibodies, rather producing multiple clones (called a polyclonal) against the antigen all targeting different epitopes. The reason for this is two fold 1)pathogens can evolve the epitope to evade a single clone and 2)it would leave us with zero immune benefit against related pathogens. As for why companies produce monoclonals, the benefits are both efficacy and manufacturing related: you can isolate the cells that produce the antibody clones, screen these cells for the ones producing the MOST effective and easy to manufacture clone, grow them in tissue culture, and purify out the monoclonal antibodies. The downside is that the more specific (read effective) the antibody is the more likely it is that the virus can evolve to evade it (which is what is meant when they say some variants have shown sides of evading monoclonal antibodies).
My attempt at an analogy:
A vaccine teaches the general guard(your immune system) on how to spot/prevent the infection from occurring in the first place. While they still uses bullets (antibodies) as their main defense, for the reasons mentioned above, they use a bunch of different types of bullets (polyclonal antibodies) against the antigen (the spike protein). Furthermore, the vaccine teaches the guard how to utilize other lines of defense (cellular-based defenses), to counter the invading viruses. This diverse defense response ensures that in all but the most extreme circumstances, it will successfully block the invasive virus (and its relatives) from being able to establish an active infection.
Monoclonals are used when a virus overwhelms the general guard. Think of them link hyper-specific sniper bullets targeting a precise part of a specific virus to prevent it form binding to our cells. If given early on in an infection, you can flood the body with these sniper bullets, binding almost all of the free floating virus particles. This allows the general guard to come in and do what it does best and mop up the rest. The issues are: 1) if the infection has gone on too long, the virus becomes so well-spread throughout the body that you just can't flood the body with enough bullets to fight off the infection and 2) over time, the virus can evolve so that the bullets against that target no longer work.
So in the end, the vaccine and antibody infusion, while both involving antibodies perform two related but distinctly different functions.
We have extremely detailed data from MILLIONS of doses thanks to the VSafe system and various healthcare systems around the world (far better data than any previous vaccine/medicine and we have it in almost real-time). This data DOES NOT support your conclusion in any way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Terry Blue
With respect to Bell's Palsy, for every 100,000 vaccinated with an mRNA vaccine, we would expect 2 additional cases of Bell's Palsy compared to the general population. In the general population, the rate of Bell's Palsy is around 15-35 per 100,000 per year. Bell's Palsy typically self resolves within a few months without treatment.
With respect to clots/strokes/etc. the risk of suffering from these after contracting COVID (which the Delta variant has made a question of when rather than if) is far higher than the risk post-vaccination:
- Clotting issues occur at rate around NINE TIMES higher rate after contracting the virus than post-vaccination
- Strokes occur at almost an ELEVEN TIMES higher rate after contracting the virus than post-vaccination
- Heart issues like myocarditis occur at an almost SIX TIMES higher rate for young males after contracting the virus than post-vaccination. This focus on young males is because they are the MOST likely to encounter myocarditis post-vaccination. For other populations, the difference is even larger.
This ignores EVERYTHING else that contracting the SARS-CoV-2 virus can damage (taste/smell, nerve issues, etc.). So far, we have extremely detailed analysis on pretty much every single adverse reaction possible. The vaccine is by far the safer choice in pretty much every scenario.
Very informative Pedro, thanks. And I loved the analogy.
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Originally Posted by blueboss
Daughter feels a lot better, but baby woke up with a fever and tested positive this morning. 10 year old still in good shape, but was supposed to start school today, now he has to wait 10 days. 13 yo is vaccinated and was allowed to start school today as scheduled.
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Thanks, Pedro. Great information. Sorry to hear about your family blueboss (especially the youngsters).
Pedro, are you seeing data that indicates which of the three vaccines is the best option?
Under 60, all three are very good; the differences are negligible.Quote:
Originally Posted by KeithKSR
Over 60 (or immunocompromised), Pfizer and Moderna are better than J&J with Moderna showing higher antibody titers over time.
Thanks Pedro.
I had 2 shots of Pfizer back in February. If boosters are approved and available, should I pick Pfizer over Moderna or does it not matter.Quote:
Originally Posted by PedroDaGr8
Same hereQuote:
Originally Posted by dan_bgblue