Something Big Is About To Happen And.....

.....the RNC/GOP is not going to be happy.

If the powers within the RNC/GOP think that people like Jim DeMint, Sarah Palin, Allen West, Michelle Malkin, Mark Levin, and the legions of Tea Partiers, are going to sit back and remain quiet while the party caves to Obama and Reid, they really aren't paying attention. The ongoing purge of Conservatives from committee leadership positions in the House may very well be "the shot heard round the country". Of course, it didn't help when the Romneyites pushed through the RNC rules changes at the convention, over the objections of grass-roots Conservatives.

I don't think the current GOP can survive what is about to happen to them. Constitutional Conservatives, Fiscal Conservatives, Libertarian-leaning Conservatives, and yes, even Social Conservatives, will no longer aquiesce to those who have driven the party to its low point. The Ron Paul legions are not dead. The Sarah Palin legions are not dead. Allen West is a black man revered by the base. Malkin and Levin have millions of people who listen to them. Real Constitutional Conservatism is not dead. Social Conservatism will be moved off the national stage and on to the state stage where it belongs. Compassionate Conservatism has moved the party so far left, it will take a massive uprising against party leadership to right the course. Republicans cannot beat the Democrats if all they want to be is Democrat-lite, while hoping that the media will be nice to them.

By 2014, the GOP will become a true Conservative party, or it will find itself without the base that it needs to survive. Either way, things are going to change and it's my hope that the current power brokers in the RNC/GOP aren't so foolish as to "cut off it's nose to spite its face". A Marco Rubio, a Paul Ryan, or a Jeb Bush can't fix what's broken and the party power brokers putting those names front and center for Election2016 is a serious mistake. Maybe one of them will turn out to be the best candidate in 2016, but that remains to be seen. The base is ready to "take names and kick asses". The base is ready to cut off a leg to save the body.

Tell me I'm wrong, but IMO, the next two years is going to determine the future of the Republican Party and may very well determine the future of the Republic. To put it into the words of the late Andrew Breitbart, "WAR!"

EDIT: It was just disclosed that Jim DeMint will step down as senior Senator from South Carolina to head the Heritage Foundation, effective in January. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...sj_share_tweet

Catty, I agree. The power people in the GOP forget who got them the house two years ago, it wasn't the moderates who won, i wasn't moderates across this country who voted them in. It was true conservatives, not just republicans but conservatives. Some don't like Palin but she has gotten much wiser this last four years, yep still talks plain as day which I love, but she is smarter than many want to give her credit for. And Malkin, she has a sharp tongue but knows her stuff. West isnt' going away, Fox has given him lots of airtime and has gotten a good following.
Jeb Bush, like him as a person but is a moderate. Ryan, great young man, good congressman but is not a dynamic speaker and would not win a national election. Rubio, need to learn more.
But this party is in for a rude awakening soon. Might be time for that third party, true conservatives from the gop, liberatarians, whatever, but conservatives. Might lose for a bit, but the gop would die a quick death.
The democrat party continues to lie to people in this country knowing that a huge % will buy whatever they are selling because they get so many free goodies. But what is about to happen over the next 4 years is going to affect the middle class in a big way, there just might be riots when they realize what they voted for and what is going to happen to them financially.
Record sales of guns in Miss for the month of November and will set a record for the year in total sales.

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Might be time for that third party, true conservatives from the gop, liberatarians, whatever, but conservatives. Might lose for a bit, but the gop would die a quick death.

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Since many Democrats are fairly conservative, a party that emphasizes smaller federal government, fiscal restraint, a strong national defense that doesn't advocate nation-building or being the world's policeman, a strong and enforced immigration policy, and minimized social policy at the federal level, will be attractive to a lot more people than those who consider themselves Republicans.

we would gain some of the voters and even a few on congress if they have the backbone to do it.

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Originally Posted by CattyWampus

Since many Democrats are fairly conservative, a party that emphasizes smaller federal government, fiscal restraint, a strong national defense that doesn't advocate nation-building or being the world's policeman, a strong and enforced immigration policy, and minimized social policy at the federal level, will be attractive to a lot more people than those who consider themselves Republicans.

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Originally Posted by CattyWampus

Since many Democrats are fairly conservative, a party that emphasizes smaller federal government, fiscal restraint, a strong national defense that doesn't advocate nation-building or being the world's policeman, a strong and enforced immigration policy, and minimized social policy at the federal level, will be attractive to a lot more people than those who consider themselves Republicans.

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More than half of this country are best broadly described as Libertarian. They want government out of their lives. Out of their bedroom and out of their wallets.

To save the nation the political axis must turn. It has in the past, and must now. The GOP is the most likely of the two to spin on its axis and become the Libertarian party.

The biggest hurdle is social issues. Libertarianism can be reconciled with social conservatism but only by doing as you describe, removing it from the federal level. That means removing it from the party platform and replacing it with the position that such things are left to the states. Frankly it's also the only way to address it b/c California and Alabama are never going to see eye to eye on these things, and the Founders knew it and left it to the states in their wisdom more than 200 years ago.

They faced exactly the same situation in their time, and the solution worked. The states were left to do as they chose with religion.

That would be acceptable to a ton of my friends who are basically fiscal conservatives but don't vote for the GOP b/c of their stance on social issues. We all have gay friends, most are pro-choice, but they want limited government, free enterprise and the end of this social free lunch program on a trillion dollar scale.

The new GOP has to do as the Founders did and set aside our differences on these issues to forge what is most important: a government with limited power over ANY of these issues, be they our social choices or our business decisions. Such things properly reside with the states and if we all agree to leave it to them we can forge such a political party.

FWIW that party would win almost every national election in every district.

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Since many Democrats are fairly conservative, a party that emphasizes smaller federal government, fiscal restraint, a strong national defense that doesn't advocate nation-building or being the world's policeman, a strong and enforced immigration policy, and minimized social policy at the federal level, will be attractive to a lot more people than those who consider themselves Republicans.

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That is the key right there. Don't allow the social misdirection to be effective. However the movement won't be led by Palin or West. Both are unelectable pariahs. West is a punk thug and Palin a whiny idiot.

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That is the key right there. Don't allow the social misdirection to be effective. However the movement won't be led by Palin or West. Both are unelectable pariahs. West is a punk thug and Palin a whiny idiot.

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Heck I wouldn't vote for Palin for office.

One true leader, a Reagan, could pull this off. There aren't any of those in the existing GOP leadership and I don't see any on the horizon but I don't follow it closely and hope he/she is out there.

Paul got a lot of young voter support. They aren't all liberals but we have to leave some issues to the states. Which is as it was always supposed to be anyway.

That's also consistent with cutting the 10s of 1,000s of BS federal activities like the street signs. It's simply not a matter for the federal government. If you want particular street signs it's a matter for the states to determine. It's not a federal issue.

But no, Palin et al can't do it. Damaged goods, just like Gingrich. I'd suggest we crack open the brains of all the GOP leadership and try to make one good one, but we'd come up short. Might manage a gibbon out of it.

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Originally Posted by Doc

That is the key right there. Don't allow the social misdirection to be effective. However the movement won't be led by Palin or West. Both are unelectable pariahs. West is a punk thug and Palin a whiny idiot.

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Leading a new movement wouldn't necessarily mean running for office. Why you think Palin is an idiot is beyond me. You sound like you watched Game Change and thought it was factual. Her record of governance outshone the other three in 2008. We saw twenty minutes of over 6.5 hours of the Couric interview. Funny how those other 6+ hours have never surfaced. Most people never heard the context of her comment about the proximity of Russia to Alaska when interviewed by Gibson. She's been spot-on with her op-eds, FB posts, commentaries and speeches, including the metaphors "death panel" and "blood libel". She was praised by the WSJ Editorial Board for her commentary on Quantitative Easing. The former editor of Ms. Magazine said Palin's a brainiac. Her 24,000 pages of emails indicated that she was anything but an idiot. Ask the 10,000 plus CPAC2012 attendees who filled three overflow rooms if she's an idiot. Ask Exxon-Mobile if Palin is an idiot. Ask Anita Dunn why she warned the Obama people about Palin. If Palin is an idiot, Obama's minions would have allowed her to return to her job as Governor, but instead, they did their best to destroy her politically while bankrupting her family.

Yeah, she speaks out against those who have lied and continue to lie about her. If that's whining, so be it.

Regardless of whether or not she ever runs for office, she has the ability to rally those very people who can change the GOP. Yeah, sometimes off the cuff, she butchers the language, but Obama often doesn't sound too good when he's off the teleprompter and GWB wasn't exactly known for his mastery of the english language. At least I've never heard her say that she's severely conservative.

She's been the target of the media, the Democrats, the GOPe, and the entertainment complex, and yet she's still standing and there are lots of Tea Party folks who will crawl over broken glass for her. Every sentence she speaks or writes is turned upside down and inside out. If she's an irrelevant idiot, why is that? Ask TPers who best represents them politically, and Palin wins by a big margin. No, she may not be a candidate that can win, but she sure can be the leader that best motivates the conservative masses.

As far as calling Adam West a punk thug, I disagree strongly. He was gerrymandered out by the GOP, but we've certainly not heard the last of him.

I value Mark Levin's opinion highly and his opinion of both Palin and West is very high.

I'm not suggesting that I'd support a Palin2016 run (I hope she doesn't run), but what I have done over the last couple of years is take the time to learn what's fact and what's myth about her. I've done this because I was curious as to why so many of the people I distrust were taking shots at her. What I found is that she's a unique talent who will make a difference, but probably not as an elected official. She's an imperfect person who embodies a quality that none of the big GOP names possess. I don't know what you call it, but she's got it and so does West.

I can support both Palin and West taking on the GOP and I'd be proud to do so.

One of the biggest obstacles faced by the reformers will be having their message lost in the filter of the media and the entertainment complex. They must find a way to bypass that filter and get the message directly to the people. And you can bet they'll get no help from FoxNews either. Roger Ailes is a Bush family acolyte and you can bet that any Tea Party effort to change the GOP will be met with fierce resistance from him.

LMAO It's just another act in the play that is American Politics...change wont change anything...Obama taught us that

Regardless of whether or not she ever runs for office, she has the ability to rally those very people who can change the GOP.

Maybe those who will have to support it from that side, but she'll drive away those who must join in order to make it happen.

Someone must emerge who can speak to both sides and unite them. Core conservatives and Tea Partiers on one side and what for lack of a better word I'll call "modern Libertarians" on the other who vote for the Democrats only b/c of GOP stances on social issues or vote for the GOP (like me) knowing no one can afford to use their political capital on those issues so I don't worry about what they put in the platform.

Palin can bring that one group to the table, and that core is the one that will have to break with the GOP for this to happen, but someone has to bring the others to the table and they will balk at Palin whether she was the smartest woman since Marie Curie or not.

Gingrich is in the same boat. I have great respect for his insight and ideology, but he's politically damaged goods. No it wasn't accurate how he was demonized, but he was and it's not fixable enough to make him viable. Same for Palin. Just having her at the table will make it a challenge, but doable.

This person has to see how both groups are really the same. They both want to pursue the things that are important to their beliefs, and the way for that to happen is to respect each other's right to do so and support the liberty to pursue our own happiness and leave the decisions about what that might be alone.

If Cali wants gay marriage fine, if Colorado wants to legalize pot fine. if Alabama wants to hang the 10 commandments in the court house fine. Fight those fights in the states and give this nation options about where you want to live and how and insure that liberty by being part of a united states that protects that basic liberty.

If we can agree to respect each other's right to do as we want in our area and focus on the proper federal issues we can fix it. If not the socialists win as we stay divided and none of us will have real liberty soon enough.

Gun laws are a good example in fact. Illinois has no conceal carry at all, Kentucky is Constitutional open carry and legal conceal carry. There's no national conceal carry law nor should there be. It's up to the people of each state and if we can just respect that each state can do as it pleases this can work.

Lord I'm too long winded. Anyway, I fully support a GOP revolution and have even talked about the need of the two parties to spin on their axis for many years. The GOP is socially non-Libertarian in their platform, but Libertarian in their fiscal platform. The Democrats just the opposite.

The first party to figure out most Americans just want less government and have it less involved in everything will win. You can bet with the socialists now running the DNC it won't be them, but the time is ripe for the GOP to toss out its leaders and be that party.

That doesn't mean the federal government supporting gay marriage. It means the federal government not being involved in those issues at all, and not involved in the 10 commandments hanging in non-federal buildings in states.

We have to let go of the idea that we can legislate federally against what offends us in another state. It's up to that state's voters how their state approaches those issues and if you don't like it you don't run to the federal government to force something on them.

Agree that we have to all protect each other's rights to disagree, or Greece will look like a minor recession compared to what will happen in the US.

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Regardless of whether or not she ever runs for office, she has the ability to rally those very people who can change the GOP.


Palin can bring that one group to the table, and that core is the one that will have to break with the GOP for this to happen, but someone has to bring the others to the table and they will balk at Palin whether she was the smartest woman since Marie Curie or not.

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Once those people actually learn that Palin has consistently refrained from letting her personal opinions drive her governance, they will be more receptive to her seat at the table. Palin is probably more Libertarian than most people think. When it comes to social issues, she's on record supporting "persuasion over legislation". While she is adamantly pro-life, she is on record as saying she understands the other side of the issue. She doesn't support Roe v. Wade because she thinks it's not a federal issue. She believes that marriage is between one man and one woman, but supports the idea of civil unions and would support the idea of doing away with the government sanctioning "marriage" of any type. She supports reasonable drug laws but thinks that individuals who "smoke a joint in their home" should be left alone. She has gone on the record against nation building and being the world's policeman. Once people unlearn what they think they know about her, they'll say, "What's not to like" She's just like me."

In a FB post the day after the election, she made this statement: Unanswered ads like this one running in blue collar swing states defined Romney early on, and the Obama media also piled on with the narrative that Romney would harm the middle class. (As I personally have witnessed, once a bell is rung by a biased media, it’s impossible to un-ring it.) This tells me that she understands that her opportunity for elective office has more than likely passed.

I don't expect too many people will dig for the actual truths about Palin, but if they did, they'd find that they agree with her on the important issues far more than they would disagree. Until she had the audacity to accept McCain's offer to run with him, the Democrats thought highly of her. Before she took on the role of the campaign's attack dog, her approval rating was near 90%.

She knows first hand that an effort to reform the GOP will mean going around the media and directly to the people. Once the Libertarians hear what she's really about, they won't have any reservations about following her, imo.

Again, I'm not suggesting that she should be a candidate for any elected office. She knows the value of sitting down and talking directly to the people, and she's good at it. That's what it's gonna take to defeat the media and the GOPe.

I like those views no doubt. The question is if that message can get out there.

I know Tea Partiers, which is really not descriptive as a single group, is far more Libertarian than they are made out to be. Really they're just painted as radicals and crazies while the New Black Panthers are painted as fine Americans protecting the voting rights of Americans.

Thus your point: we have to find an infrastructure for the message that gets around the mainstream media.

It's already too late. The 'old guard' of the GOP will not go quietly into that night(guys like McConnell)and they will do everything in their power to keep that power. Look at what Boehner has done just this past week in removing key representatives from positions on important committees, and all because these representatives have the gall to do as their constituents back home, who elected them to office, do what their people back home tell them to do instead of following the GOP line. Which is what they are duly elected to do, to represent the people who elected them, not the damn GOP party platform.
The GOP would rather die a slow and agonizing death than adapt and change with the necessity of the times.
And the infrastructure to get that new message, if it were to ever be formulated and sold out loud to the people, does not exist in a large enough form to be viable enough to spread that message. Once that word were to emerge, it will be crushed by the MSM and all of it's little socialist talking heads.
Face it guys......... our country no longer exists as we once knew it. It's gone.

CBBN is dead on IMO. Civil liberties and fiscal responsibilities are both constitutional and in line with Biblical teaching. Sexual moralities were never meant to be legislated, but are matters of the heart. I can see restrictions on abortion, but the vast majority of them can be curtailed through positive depictions of allowing those lives to continue and eliminating the irresponsibility that leads to that predicament to begin with.

The Constitution does not declare the U.S. a Christian nation but it does give Christianity the freedom to be a major influence, first and foremost by being good neighbors. It has to start there. In many cases it may have to end there but you'll never change someone's heart/mind if they don't think you give a s**t about them.

We also need to court non-whites in a major way. Most Latinos are hardworking and have good skills in the labor force. Make them citizens and pay taxes. Many Blacks are conservative but do not trust Republicans. Those who are need support in getting the message across. Women, including white, need our appeal as well. The Liberals have won that propaganda war and that shouldn't happen as they have the worst record.

Times and circumstances have changed and we all need to wake up. Either the Republican Party adopts these ideas or it will die quickly and it would be another cycle or two before the Libertarians have a chance to become a threat.

Times and circumstances have changed and we all need to wake up. Either the Republican Party adopts these ideas or it will die quickly and it would be another cycle or two before the Libertarians have a chance to become a threat.

If that was to be the way it plays out, then it's already too late. IMHO, it's already too late as it is. The only way that it could possibly change is for this country to undergo another "American Revolution", and I have many, many doubts as to who would be man enough to step forward and in essence, sacrifice themselves for the good of our country if need be. I doubt there are that many good men with that kind of heart in this nation today.
We had not been paying attention for generations, and these swine have usurped us and our nation. We have no one to blame but ourselves for allowing these vermin to rule us now.

A moderate member of the GOP stands a good shot at being nominated, but the last two election cycles have proven that the moderates of the RNC cannot win a national election. The GOP needs to look to the South for a candidate to lead them to a White House win in 2016.

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Originally Posted by CitizenBBN

More than half of this country are best broadly described as Libertarian. They want government out of their lives. Out of their bedroom and out of their wallets.

To save the nation the political axis must turn. It has in the past, and must now. The GOP is the most likely of the two to spin on its axis and become the Libertarian party.

The biggest hurdle is social issues. Libertarianism can be reconciled with social conservatism but only by doing as you describe, removing it from the federal level. That means removing it from the party platform and replacing it with the position that such things are left to the states. Frankly it's also the only way to address it b/c California and Alabama are never going to see eye to eye on these things, and the Founders knew it and left it to the states in their wisdom more than 200 years ago.

They faced exactly the same situation in their time, and the solution worked. The states were left to do as they chose with religion.

That would be acceptable to a ton of my friends who are basically fiscal conservatives but don't vote for the GOP b/c of their stance on social issues. We all have gay friends, most are pro-choice, but they want limited government, free enterprise and the end of this social free lunch program on a trillion dollar scale.

The new GOP has to do as the Founders did and set aside our differences on these issues to forge what is most important: a government with limited power over ANY of these issues, be they our social choices or our business decisions. Such things properly reside with the states and if we all agree to leave it to them we can forge such a political party.

FWIW that party would win almost every national election in every district.

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Good read here.