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  • Sheppard: Wltjer's transfer a mistake



    MIDDLETOWN, Ohio — He was a five-year player at Kentucky under coaches Rick Pitino and Tubby Smith, and Jeff Sheppard was part of two national championship teams and another team that lost in the national title game.

    He believes junior to be Kyle Wiltjer has made a mistake by transferring from UK to Gonzaga over a lack of anticipated playing time this season because of coach John Calipari’s recruiting class that includes six McDonald’s All-Americans.
    I hate it. I actually think it is a mistake for Kyle to do it but each one has to make his own decisions,” said Sheppard, who spoke at the Ohio UK Convention here Saturday. “I was really hoping that he would stay and that he would even consider redshirting.”

    That’s what Sheppard did in UK’s 1995-96 national championship season. It was his junior year but Pitino knew with UK’s talented roster of future NBA players that an extra year of eligibility could help both UK and the player — kind of like one might argue that a redshirt year at UK could have gone for Wiltjer.
    “It is just a great ride at Kentucky,” Sheppard said. “I don’t think his NBA status is going to be helped playing 30 minutes for Gonzaga versus playing 10 minutes for Kentucky.”

    Sheppard thinks UK will miss Wiltjer’s experience. He played on UK’s 2012 national championship team and was the Southeastern Conference sixth man of the year last season.

    “We really, really need his experience. The experience that we had on the team minus Jarrod Polson is now gone. I just think it is a huge key for NCAA Tournament success is to have experience,” Sheppard said.
    Having a player that made 90 3-pointers the last two seasons might have helped UK this year, too. Freshman James Young is a solid outside shooter and twins Andrew and Aaron Harrison both have 3-point range. But none is considered the pure 3-point shooter that Wiltjer has been.
    “It changes the team without him and his shooting,” Sheppard said.

    Sheppard, the 1998 Final Four MVP, admitted that Wiltjer is a “player kind of like me” in many ways.
    “He doesn’t need to be the best player on the court. Last year we tried to make him the best player on the court and tried to make the offense go through him and that didn’t work,” Sheppard said. “The year before when he wasn’t the best player on the court and he could stretch the defense, he gave people fits. That’s what I wonder. Is he going to go to Gonzaga and be a featured guy? I don’t think his game is to be a featured guy.”

    Instead, Sheppard thinks Wiltjer would be better suited to look at what another former UK player — Scott Padgett — did to reshape his career. Remember, Padgett was an academic casualty under Pitino and had to return home to Louisville for a semester and was a five-year player. He was also a key to UK’s 1998 national championship.

    “Scott was a great shooter but he was gritty and strong and would fight you all the time. He did all the little things and then Scott had a long NBA career and is going to be a great coach one day. He found his niche and then worked to make himself even better,” Sheppard said.

    So why does he think Wiltjer, who said he came to UK because of the competition he would face daily, left?
    “Part of it is just going through tough times. These kids don’t want to go through tough times any more,” Sheppard said. “They leave (for the NBA) too early. They quit too early. They think it is always brighter on the other side.
    “There are so many life lessons to learn going through adversity, going through the tough times. It is just a different game. We’ll see how it plays out, but I really think he is making a mistake and really hate it for him.”
    Comments 25 Comments
    1. Darryl's Avatar
      Darryl -
      So Jeff agrees with me and several others; losing Kyle hurts this team and makes it harder to win the title. I think
      we are still the favorite, but not as invincible. Even as a red-shirt, he would have been very valuable.

      Darryl
    1. dan_bgblue's Avatar
      dan_bgblue -
      Darryl, in my opinion he is not a leader of any kind. His "leadership" during a redshirt season would have been minimal. If he was not going to play and give it his best effort this season and next then the team will find ways to survive without him. I would prefer he would have stayed and committed himself.

      jmho

      edited to add a thank you for the excellent read.

      Jeff said these are different times for the players, and he is spot on with that thought. I think he missed completely when he compared himself to Wiltjer. Sheppard benefited from the RS year as Pitino did not recruit over him for the last 2 years, but Jeff was a fighter and tough as nails. I will never forget him playing the game of his life on that bum ankle
    1. CitizenBBN's Avatar
      CitizenBBN -
      Darryl it's a sound view, but IMO how much he hurts us is a function of how much he was going to put into the program even as a redshirt. if he was going to be the guy you could go to and the other players respect him even if he wasn't playing then yeah, it will hurt. If he was going to carry over the "too busy" part of his persona then Randle and the twins etc. weren't going to respect him which means they wouldn't have put any weight to what he had to say.

      Same for his shooting. If he was going to come in and play defense and do what it took so Cal would be comfortable putting him out there then yes we'll miss his shooting, but we LOST to Robert Morris and Kyle wasn't put in to save the day b/c he was so bad at everything else (including attitude) that his shooting became irrelevant b/c you can't shoot if you aren't in the game. If he wasn't going to take the steps to be an option for Cal then his shooting hasn't been "lost", it was never available in the first place IMO.

      Which side you are on to me seems to be all about whether one thinks Kyle was going to commit to the necessary path or not. IMO him going to Gonzaga combined with other things I've seen at UK tells me he doesn't have the desire to do what it takes at this level, which means he wasn't going to to do what it took which means his experience and offense weren't going to be all that brought to bear for us whether he stayed or not.

      I wish him well, but going to Gonzaga isn't about playing time as much as it's about having a different college basketball experience. He can get 30 minutes at Gonzaga without Rock Oliver living in his nightmares and 6am crazy workout sessions in June.

      That's not even a criticism. I hate doing anything at 6am. It's just a life choice, and what he thinks he wants at this point in his life doesn't seem to fit what UK offers, esp. with Cal here and esp. after last year. "Intensity" is the word, and that just isn't Kyle.
    1. CitizenBBN's Avatar
      CitizenBBN -
      It is a SUPER read Dan, it's unreal how much more real knowledge Larry imparts than the talking heads who just write fluffy opinion pieces.

      I disagree with Shep as well comparing himself or Padgett to Kyle. yes Kyle needs to model himself after Padgett, but Scott showed a real toughness on and off the court that we haven't seen from Kyle. Scott could have transferred to a LOT of other programs and gotten PT, but he got a landscaping job and earned his way back to UK. No one ever doubted their S&C work or effort or attitude by this point in their careers.

      I just don't see Andrew and Aaron Harrisson and Julius Randle going to Kyle come March asking how to approach tournament play. You have to earn the respect of the young guys for that experience to count for anything, and he wasn't going to pull that off IMO given his record of choices thus far. Maybe he was going to change, but if he really had that in him I don't see him transferring.

      It'll take 2-3 years but we'll eventually have good information on which to settle the discussion. Either Kyle will continue his laid back ways, score 30 and give up 25 at Gongaza, or he'll come out and get stronger and better and we'll see him cleaning the glass and diving on the floor and get to the pros. I hope he does.
    1. Doc's Avatar
      Doc -
      I don't know what is best for Kyle. But I don't believe him transferring significantly hurts our chances for a title. It means more playing time for Young, Lee and Johnson. Come March they will be plenty experienced.
    1. ukpumacat's Avatar
      ukpumacat -
      As I have said before, I'm with Darryl that I think it hurts. In fact, if I were a Vegas man, I would not have UK as the favorites (not just because of losing Kyle). I have no clue who else it would be, but it wouldn't be UK.
      I certainly think we are the most talented team, but it is just so hard for me to think of a team as young and inexperienced as ours being the favorites. Obviously, I hope we win it all. And I think we have at least a decent shot because of the talent and balance we have. And maybe Kyle doesn't make that much of a difference, but losing him makes our biggest weakness (experience) even worse. And I do think losing his shooting hurts as well.
      Heading into this season, we will have a total of ONE minute of NCAA Tourney experience (Jarod Polson). That scares the bejeezus out of me.
      If I am just being totally honest, I think our team has a great season, but I would be a tad surprised if we won the whole thing. I would be less surprised to see a season like 2010.
    1. Darryl's Avatar
      Darryl -
      If UK were to sign Exum for the 2nd semester then this works out for the better.

      Darryl
    1. ajp40505's Avatar
      ajp40505 -
      I know I'm in the minority, but I think Wiltjer's mistake was coming to UK in the first place. I honestly don't know what he and his dad were thinking because he does not have the game to play in Cal's style.

      It amuses me that some of you say if Kyle would just play defense, or be quicker, or stronger like all he's got to do is flip a switch and do it. I want anyone to point me to a slower player ever at UK. He's too slow and fundamentally unsound to ever be a good defensive player. He has to be wide-wide open to get his shot off and I don't care if he lives in the weight room, he is never going to quicker than he is now.

      He should have gone to Gonzaga out of high school and it took him two years to realize that.
    1. badrose's Avatar
      badrose -
      Quote Originally Posted by ajp40505 View Post
      I know I'm in the minority, but I think Wiltjer's mistake was coming to UK in the first place. I honestly don't know what he and his dad were thinking because he does not have the game to play in Cal's style.

      It amuses me that some of you say if Kyle would just play defense, or be quicker, or stronger like all he's got to do is flip a switch and do it. I want anyone to point me to a slower player ever at UK. He's too slow and fundamentally unsound to ever be a good defensive player. He has to be wide-wide open to get his shot off and I don't care if he lives in the weight room, he is never going to quicker than he is now.

      He should have gone to Gonzaga out of high school and it took him two years to realize that.
      Josh Harrellson just called and he said you're wrong. It's not a matter of whether he could get stronger and quicker but would he. The answer to that is, no. His leaving is proof positive. I hope he proves me wrong.
    1. dan_bgblue's Avatar
      dan_bgblue -
      I want anyone to point me to a slower player ever at UK
      Oliver Simmons?
      Jared Carter?
      Shagari Alleyne?
      Tom Heitz?
      Scott Courts?
      Nate Knight?
      Randolph Morris?
    1. anderwt's Avatar
      anderwt -
      I see where Sheppard is coming from. Unfortunately we live in a NOW type world. I am not here to Criticize because I am just as bad. I guess where my confusion comes from is, basically we all agree, the guy needs to change his habits if he wants to get to that next level? Redshirting at UK or transferring next was his best options to do that. He needs to hit the weight room as well as work on his agility. He had access to some the best facilities in the country for 3 years and he did not take advantage of it.
      Now we think the light bulb is just going to come on that he needs to do this? My next question is, how does this affect our chances next year, IF the plan was to stay at UK and redshirt for this upcoming year? He wasn't in the plans for next year from the way his dad and Cal talked..I like kyle, but he could do one thing pretty and that was hit a couple a few 3's. Against elite competition, I would bet that his 3 point shooting wasn't as good? Is that all you want from a 6'10 kid?

      I wish him nothing but good luck. As for UK, I still see no weaknesses if you look at projections. We have two very good wings who can light it up. A tough as nails PG, an elite Center, and maybe the best college basketball player in the land next year in Julius Randle...I'm excited as ever about our chances next year...
    1. ajp40505's Avatar
      ajp40505 -
      Quote Originally Posted by dan_bgblue View Post
      Oliver Simmons?
      Jared Carter?
      Shagari Alleyne?
      Tom Heitz?
      Scott Courts?
      Nate Knight?
      Randolph Morris?
      Sorry, but not one of those guys is slower than Kyle.
    1. blue2ksr's Avatar
      blue2ksr -
      Quote Originally Posted by ajp40505 View Post
      Sorry, but not one of those guys is slower than Kyle.

      As 'slow" as Kyle is, he is still light years faster than Shag, probably the slowest player I've ever seen on earth.

      Good list, Dan. I'd like to see those guys line up and have a "slow" contest. I'd bet the house on Shag.
    1. CitizenBBN's Avatar
      CitizenBBN -
      Quote Originally Posted by ajp40505 View Post
      I know I'm in the minority, but I think Wiltjer's mistake was coming to UK in the first place. I honestly don't know what he and his dad were thinking because he does not have the game to play in Cal's style.

      It amuses me that some of you say if Kyle would just play defense, or be quicker, or stronger like all he's got to do is flip a switch and do it. I want anyone to point me to a slower player ever at UK. He's too slow and fundamentally unsound to ever be a good defensive player. He has to be wide-wide open to get his shot off and I don't care if he lives in the weight room, he is never going to quicker than he is now.

      He should have gone to Gonzaga out of high school and it took him two years to realize that.
      John Pelphrey
      Richie Farmer
      Deron Feldhaus
      more recently Josh Harrellson

      All were horribly slow and less gifted athletically than Kyle, esp. upon arrival. They worked exceptionally hard to get better.

      He doesn't really have to get quicker, that's tough to do. He can get stronger and learn how to play position better for both rebounding and defense. Pel was never fast enough to guard athletic wings straight up, but he never got repeatedly undressed like Kyle does b/c he played position well. He stayed in stance, got in the right spot on the floor. Same thing the 6'6" Chuck Hayes does to compete in the NBA. If you start for position the moment the shot goes up and the other guy waits till it comes off the rim you'll get that rebound from him even with athletic disadvantages.

      I agree he can't just flip a switch and be athletic, but he can be stronger and he can play smarter. Those two things are not limited by his tendon length or other factors that can only be changed marginally.

      I also agree he was never a "fit" with UK, but he said he came here to work on these parts of his game he knew were weaknesses and what would hold him back in the pros. Gongaza is no doubt a better fit with his game and skills as they are today, but UK is a better fit with the pro game both NBA and abroad compared to Gonzaga and that why he came here over there IMO.

      This may end up being the best for him. If he shines in their system he may get a look from a team that forgets that the Zags are playing him in ways that won't translate as well to the pro game.
    1. ebarbaau's Avatar
      ebarbaau -
      I agree with Shep but then again not everyone is like Jeff Shepard ! Sad to say but Kyle really needs a good 2 year dose of Rick Pitino pre 2000 style -someone staying on his arse every minute pushing his conditioning to a higher level !
    1. CitizenBBN's Avatar
      CitizenBBN -
      Quote Originally Posted by ebarbaau View Post
      I agree with Shep but then again not everyone is like Jeff Shepard ! Sad to say but Kyle really needs a good 2 year dose of Rick Pitino pre 2000 style -someone staying on his arse every minute pushing his conditioning to a higher level !
      The cool thing is we actually have that same guy on staff again. Ajp is right we can't turn him into an "athlete", and it's totally subjective, but I don't see that he's reached his ceiling in any part of his physical S&C. Strength and muscle development is something almost everyone can achieve with enough work, and I don't see that from him, figure the rest isn't getting a lot of attention either.
    1. KSRBEvans's Avatar
      KSRBEvans -
      Quote Originally Posted by dan_bgblue View Post
      Oliver Simmons?
      Jared Carter?
      Shagari Alleyne?
      Tom Heitz?
      Scott Courts?
      Nate Knight?
      Randolph Morris?
      Ooh! I know, I know! Mike "Snowman" Scott from my native Greenup County. You could time that guy with a sundial.

      If Kyle wanted to stay and dedicate himself to improving the areas he needed to improve, he would've been a great guy to keep around. If he was going to take the same approach he took after his freshman season, then it's best for him that he move on, because he wasn't going to get the minutes or be the contributor he would want to be.
    1. anderwt's Avatar
      anderwt -
      Shepp also said he doesn't like the way Cal recruits the one and done and he feels more comfortable walking into Pitino's office than Cal's...I guess Shepp doesn't listen to Cal when he says he doesn't like the one and done rule either...I kind of figured one day, a few fans would grow tired of the NBA factory that has become UK basketball..I for one love having talent and hope Cal is our coach for another 10 years
    1. blueboss's Avatar
      blueboss -
      Put me in the camp that thinks it will hurt Wiltjer more that UK, however having said that I also think when Wiltjer is surrounded by the caliber of players we had in 11-2012 and will have in 13-2014 he can be more of a shooting specialist and get open looks off of plays designed for him. His lack of defense and slowness would not be highlighted as much being surrounded with the talent that we've got coming in (assuming they gel).

      IMO Wiltjer did not want to sign up for the Josh Harrelson S&C course that was layed for him while red shirting and he wanted to be closer to home. I don't see the program at Gonzaga turning him into better player than he would be by staying at KY RSing and playing with the caliber of players and coaching staff at Ky.

      Good luck Kyle, wish you the best.
    1. jgirl's Avatar
      jgirl -
      Quote Originally Posted by dan_bgblue View Post
      Oliver Simmons?
      Jared Carter?
      Shagari Alleyne?
      Tom Heitz?
      Scott Courts?
      Nate Knight?
      Randolph Morris?
      Mark Coury?
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