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  • Joker on Kentucky's football recruiting budget

    By: LARRY VAUGHT



    Kentucky’s abysmal football season doesn’t figure to get any better Saturday when Georgia, a 27-point favorite, comes to what likely will not be a hostile Commonwealth Stadium based on the low attendance even before UK was embarrassed 49-7 in last week’s weather-shortened game at Arkansas.

    But don’t blame a lack of recruiting funds for the slide. Or at least that is what Kentucky coach Joker Phillips said.
    Speculation about the UK football recruiting budget surfaced last week when there was a report that the $300,000 Kentucky spent on Big Blue Madness was close to the entire football recruiting budget. That’s why I asked Phillips on the Southeastern Conference teleconference how UK’s football recruiting budget was set and if it had enough money for him to do what was necessary to be competitive with other SEC teams.
    “Each year what they go on (to set the budget) is what we have spent the past year,” Phillips said. “We have never even looked at it. We have never asked for something and not been able to get it.”

    Never?
    “We really have an unlimited budget in recruiting. We spent over $500,000 on airlines and official visits last year. That’s a lot of money. That is plenty for us,” Phillips said.
    If that’s “plenty” for Kentucky, then why do other schools — Alabama, LSU, South Carolina, Florida, Georgia — spend more and land more four- and five-star players? Wouldn’t spending more money likely elevate UK’s recruiting and help the Cats bring even better players to campus? Or would it?

    “The thing we don’t do ... it is hard for us to go out and national recruit. You see teams spend more money than us in national recruiting flying back and forth across the country to places like California. We do go out there for junior college recruits, but going out there for high school recruiting defeats the purpose at Kentucky,” Phillips said.

    Maybe Phillips is right. It’s hard enough for UK to recruit a four- or five-star player in the South. For that matter, the Cats have not been having great success even signing most highly-rated in-state players. This year alone out of the top 10 ranked in-state players, only one — Clay County lineman Jacob Hyde — has committed to Kentucky and the Cats are not the leader for any of the others.
    That’s why former UK center Dave Hopewell, who started on the 1977 team that went 10-1, isn’t buying all Phillips said. Hopewell was from Alabama. Two of his best teammates, Derek Ramsey and Art Still, were from New Jersey. He had teammates from numerous states because then coach Fran Curci was not afraid to recruit anywhere.

    “I just think Joker is being politically correct,” Hopewell said. “I don’t believe all that. If that’s the case about an unlimited budget, they should be flying everywhere to recruit. Go wine and dine players to play here. Be like (UK basketball coach John) Calipari and get in a private plan and go see the nation’s best players and sell them on coming to play in the SEC, which is just a miniature NFL.”

    Of course, UK is at the bottom of the SEC. The Cats have been so bad offensively that they have not had an offensive touchdown in the first quarter in the last 20 games. Phillips is 12-20 as a head coach and many fans have lost interest in the program.
    “These guys are good coaches,” Hopewell said. “But something is just not clicking. I can’t put my finger on it, but something is just not right.”
    Agreed. That also means the players could be sensing that same hopeless. Phillips says not, but we’ll see Saturday night against Georgia.

    “We traveled to Arkansas with 68 players and 42 were freshmen and sophomores,” Phillips said. “They do not have any hopeless feelings. They are all excited to go out and play. They don’t think about (feeling hopeless) because they are getting an opportunity to play. I don’t think they sense that hopelessness.”
    Comments 14 Comments
    1. ukblue's Avatar
      ukblue -
      Joker has a lot of weight on his shoulders LV. He's holding the whole Eastern division of the SEC up. Agree with Hopewell, ever what Joker is trying to sell I'm, and a lot of recruits, not buying. What are the ideals at UK that wouln't being held up if we recruited a high school recruit on the west coast? More damn flimsy excuses.
    1. CitizenBBN's Avatar
      CitizenBBN -
      He said they had an unlimited budget but he said something else more important IMO if we take them as honest comments: he's never been denied anything he's asked for.

      So is UKAA not funding recruiting or is the staff not asking for the jet fuel to go to California in the first place?
    1. anderwt's Avatar
      anderwt -
      Damn there goes another excuse for joker fan/s
    1. CitizenBBN's Avatar
      CitizenBBN -
      Quote Originally Posted by anderwt View Post
      Damn there goes another excuse for joker fan/s
      I just wish we spent what WKU and UL spend. Oh, wait.
    1. LakeCat's Avatar
      LakeCat -
      Sounds to me it's Joker's turn to cover for MB as he has been covered for by MB. Everything is just hunky dory if you talk to the two with the small pesky fact that the football program is in a free fall of both losses on the field and loss of fan interest.
    1. anderwt's Avatar
      anderwt -
      I will give Joker credit, he could have made an excuse right there..


      I think the spending etc has been one big excuse...never came up when UK was going to bowl games under brooks..
    1. MickintheHam's Avatar
      MickintheHam -
      Quote Originally Posted by CitizenBBN View Post
      He said they had an unlimited budget but he said something else more important IMO if we take them as honest comments: he's never been denied anything he's asked for.

      So is UKAA not funding recruiting or is the staff not asking for the jet fuel to go to California in the first place?
      We have no problem upsizing planes. I don't think anybody in the athletics dept is being denied anything. It's a candy store. it's just not open to the public. You have to be a friend of the purple tyrannosaurus.
    1. Terry Blue's Avatar
      Terry Blue -
      This isn't the first time Joker has been asked about this and his answers are always consistent. He says that he has never lacked for money in his recruiting, and that hasn't been a problem. Think we should start believing him
    1. TheFabFueder's Avatar
      TheFabFueder -
      What Joker is saying is he's a realist. He could go to California and recruit somebody, but they aren't going to come to play for him. We need a coach who they would want to play for.
    1. LarryVaught1's Avatar
      LarryVaught1 -
      Still goes against conventional wisdom that UK is not spending enough and I know for a fact coaches have been denied when they have requested private planes to recruit
    1. Jimcats's Avatar
      Jimcats -
      Quote Originally Posted by Terry Blue View Post
      This isn't the first time Joker has been asked about this and his answers are always consistent. He says that he has never lacked for money in his recruiting, and that hasn't been a problem. Think we should start believing him
      Mitch has been (still is?) Joker supporter, it would be suicide for Joker to criticize lack of funds, etc. that are controlled largely by Mitch. Foolish as well.
    1. KeithKSR's Avatar
      KeithKSR -
      Realistically you aren't going to go out and land four and five star California players when you can't get the top players in your own backyard.
    1. BigBlueBrock's Avatar
      BigBlueBrock -
      Quote Originally Posted by KeithKSR View Post
      Realistically you aren't going to go out and land four and five star California players when you can't get the top players in your own backyard.
      Agree with this. One of the smartest and most sensible things Joker has said in recent memory.
    1. CitizenBBN's Avatar
      CitizenBBN -
      Quote Originally Posted by LarryVaught1 View Post
      Still goes against conventional wisdom that UK is not spending enough and I know for a fact coaches have been denied when they have requested private planes to recruit
      Larry I know Cal hasn't seen the inside of a public airport in years, but do the basketball assistants use private planes when they recruit?
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