Senate advances Biden's $1T infrastructure bill in rare Saturday session

[dan_bgblue]

It has not passed yet, but the 2 KY senators voted for passage during the test vote. I do not understand exactly what the hell they are doing, but if/when they actually vote, it better not be a vote to get any closer to passage of Sleepy's 4.5 trillion social give away spending spree.

Linkage (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-infrastructure-bill-key-vote-senate)

[KentuckyWildcat]

it better not be a vote to get any closer to passage of Sleepy's 4.5 trillion social give away spending spree.

It will be. They often have some flex money built in. I'm all for it. Just need a few more kids so I can retire.



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[Doc]

$1,000,000,000,000 ...or which is roughly $2,800 for EVERY man, woman and child in this nation. For a family of 4 that is over 11,000 in additional taxes. Any moron who thinks this will be covered by the rich, those not paying their fair share, is beyond ignorant. Keep in mind, this is in addition to the 26,000,000,000,000 we already are in the red.

PS..did any FL senators vote for it? I hope not because I sure as **** won't vote for them if they do

[Doc]

Chuck Schumer ""We can get this done the easy way or the hard way.,In either case, the Senate will stay in session until we finish our work."

Republicans with any balls should follow the path laid by Texas democrats, and go on walkabout to prevent passage

[KeithKSR]

Pelosi has vowed not to take this bill up until the liberal wish list fake infrastructure bill passes the Senate. I don’t see that one passing. I don’t know if she is overplaying her hand or intentionally sabotaging the far left wish list.

[KeithKSR]

It has not passed yet, but the 2 KY senators voted for passage during the test vote. I do not understand exactly what the hell they are doing, but if/when they actually vote, it better not be a vote to get any closer to passage of Sleepy's 4.5 trillion social give away spending spree.

Linkage (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/biden-infrastructure-bill-key-vote-senate)

Rand Paul didn’t vote to advance the bill. The next step is the amendment step.

[bigsky]

Thanks to my friend Senator Steve Daines for voting no

[KentuckyWildcat]

$1,000,000,000,000 ...or which is roughly $280,000 for EVERY man, woman and child in this nation. For a family of 4 that is over ONE MILLION DOLLARS in additional taxes. Any moron who thinks this will be covered by the rich, those not paying their fair share, is beyond ignorant. Keep in mind, this is in addition to the 26,000,000,000,000 we already are in the red.

PS..did any FL senators vote for it? I hope not because I sure as **** won't vote for them if they do

1 trillion divided by 350 million people would be $2800 per person.

But to your point, I am not fan of this.

[Doc]

1 trillion divided by 350 million people would be $2800 per person.

But to your point, I am not fan of this.

Fixed in OP

[KeithKSR]

1 trillion divided by 350 million people would be $2800 per person.

But to your point, I am not fan of this.

The $2800 goes way up when you divide the trillion by the number who pay taxes.

[catmanjack]

Correct only 54% of Americans pay taxes.

[KentuckyWildcat]

Don't worry. We will get it back after the 17th stimulus.

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[CitizenBBN]

I'm very curious if the zoning language will be snuck into this one or if the GOP can spot it and take it out. I'm sure it's in the $3.5T bill if not.

Things like that in these bills is as bad or worse than the actual spending.

[KeithKSR]

I'm very curious if the zoning language will be snuck into this one or if the GOP can spot it and take it out. I'm sure it's in the $3.5T bill if not.

Things like that in these bills is as bad or worse than the actual spending.

With the passage of this infrastructure bill in the Senate we can only hope that the Dems have forgotten the intent of reconciliation bills. The Dems can basically add anything they want to the infrastructure bill and pass it in the House. With two different bills passed they would go into the reconciliation process where there is no filibuster. I fear the passage of this bill is a bait and switch by the Dems to get their big bill passed.

[dan_bgblue]

In reconciliation, the republicans can pull out any part of the dem bill that does not met the criteria for reconciliation and blow it apart. When they do that, then it requires the original 60 votes for passage and both houses have to once again agree on the language and that is not going to happen when AOC loses one of her pet spending projects. They have already said that they will not vote for passage of the infrastructure bill if they can not get the family infrastructure bill passed as well.

Keith, I may be way wrong on this one, but I think McConnell and advisors have a good plan in place to ruin the plans of Nancy, Schumer, Bernie, and the squad. They can go into the 2022 elections saying they voted for real infrastructure spending but would not vote for the huge give away, tax and spend bill, and crippling inheritance tax bill on small family business and farmers.

I would love to see passage of the current bill as it gives me nice benefits in Medicare of Vision, Dental, and hearing coverage, but I would not vote for it if it means passage of the rest of the pork spending.

[dan_bgblue]

Votearama (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-republicans-democrats-vote-a-rama-amendments-reconciliation)

[CitizenBBN]

McConnell did a good job getting votes on things they want to run on in the elections.

The question is what kind of deal was made re reconciliation between Schumer and McConnell. I have no doubt a non-written agreement was made of some kind but it's hard to say where it stands. No doubt McConnell wanted reassurances re the use of reconciliation but what he got we may only be able to understand as this moves forward.

The House will clamor for all of it, and the Squad will twist over it, but if an understanding was reached I doubt Schumer would go back on it. That kind of agreement is a cornerstone of the working of the Senate.

Hopefully Mitch got a decent deal out of it. He doesn't hold a lot of cards, but he's played them well. he's arguably the best procedural Senator of the last 50 years.

[catmanjack]

From what I hear it’s McConnell’s republicans that helped to get this passed.

[CitizenBBN]

From what I hear it’s McConnell’s republicans that helped to get this passed.

And that may not be a bad thing if concessions were obtained re the reconciliation process and the $3.5T bill.

Some compromise is necessary, and not even bad for the nation. We won't know what deal was cut for a bit.

And spending on infrastructure, as spending goes, is the least harmful and even at times beneficial. If compromise is going to happen, this is one of the best areas for it to happen.

[KeithKSR]

And that may not be a bad thing if concessions were obtained re the reconciliation process and the $3.5T bill.

Some compromise is necessary, and not even bad for the nation. We won't know what deal was cut for a bit.

And spending on infrastructure, as spending goes, is the least harmful and even at times beneficial. If compromise is going to happen, this is one of the best areas for it to happen.

The Trump infrastructure plan had a greater amount of infrastructure spending at a lower total price tag, but McConnell didn’t push it through when he had the opportunity. The plan they passed has about 20% of the funds going toward infrastructure and the rest goes toward other things. Right now the only thing standing between the Dems $3.5 trillion socialism package is Joe Manchin’s opposition, unless the parliamentarian rules out some of the liberal plans.

[dan_bgblue]

Votearama (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/senate-republicans-democrats-vote-a-rama-amendments-reconciliation)

Democrats’ Vote-a-Rama Will Trap the Middle Class With Big New Taxes

Linkage

(https://www.nysun.com/national/democrats-vote-a-rama-will-trap-the-middle-class/91614/)

[CitizenBBN]

About all Mitch could do was to force the Democrats to vote on a lot of things they can run on in the election.

Looks like moderate Dems in the House, who rightly are nervous about the election, may block the $3.5T bill. They should b/c they are going to struggle in vulnerable districts.

Gas prices rising, inflation rising, foreign affairs failures, and lots and lots of stuff to use from the leftist extreme like defunding police. True or not of that particular representative, it makes for good campaign ads and they know it. Biden was elected as a moderate, and that's not what we're seeing.

You're even seeing blowback among Democrats in places like the NYC mayoral election.

[dan_bgblue]

Senate amendments to the budget reconciliation bill that were passed during Votearama (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/mcconnell-memo-infrastructure-house-democrats-difficult-position)

I don't think Nancy and crew will be smiling this morning.

[dan_bgblue]

The broom riding biotch is having a tough time keeping her herd in lockstep with her plans


Linkage (https://www.wsj.com/articles/pelosi-centrist-democrats-in-standoff-with-key-vote-ahead-11629630005?mod=lead_feature_below_a_pos1)

[bigsky]

She will get it done. I have no faith in “moderates” in Congress

[Doc]

She will get it done. I have no faith in “moderates” in Congress

I have no faith in anybody in Congress

[KeithKSR]

She will get it done. I have no faith in “moderates” in Congress

She will have a harder time riding herd as a lame duck speaker. Pelosi won’t be there after the 2022 elections and neither will they if they vote with her.

[KeithKSR]

I have no faith in anybody in Congress

I have faith in them to do as little as possible after the first of the year and do anything they can to be re-elected.

[dan_bgblue]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-near-showdown-on-infrastructure-bill-broader-spending-package-11629745295?mod=hp_lead_pos6

“The vast majority of the caucus understands that we have probably a once-in-a-generation opportunity to pass transformational legislation,” House Budget Committee Chairman John Yarmuth (D., Ky.) said Monday evening. “We can do that and pass the infrastructure bill and that there’s absolutely no reason not to at least take the first step toward reconciliation, which is what this vote would be.”

Democratic leaders had initially planned to hold separate votes on the procedural measure, known as a rule, which would advance both the infrastructure bill and the budget framework, as well as a separate bill giving the federal government stronger oversight of states’ voting practices, before voting Tuesday on passage of the budget framework itself.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-near-showdown-on-infrastructure-bill-broader-spending-package-11629745295?mod=hp_lead_pos6

[KeithKSR]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-near-showdown-on-infrastructure-bill-broader-spending-package-11629745295?mod=hp_lead_pos6

“The vast majority of the caucus understands that we have probably a once-in-a-generation opportunity to pass transformational legislation,” House Budget Committee Chairman John Yarmuth (D., Ky.) said Monday evening. “We can do that and pass the infrastructure bill and that there’s absolutely no reason not to at least take the first step toward reconciliation, which is what this vote would be.”

Democratic leaders had initially planned to hold separate votes on the procedural measure, known as a rule, which would advance both the infrastructure bill and the budget framework, as well as a separate bill giving the federal government stronger oversight of states’ voting practices, before voting Tuesday on passage of the budget framework itself.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-near-showdown-on-infrastructure-bill-broader-spending-package-11629745295?mod=hp_lead_pos6

Sinema says she is a no vote on the $3.5 trillion package.

https://dailycaller.com/2021/08/23/kyrsten-sinema-doubles-down-against-democrats-3-5-trillion-budget/

[dan_bgblue]

From everything I have been able to read, the group of 9 is solid in their voting intents. They think their home town supporters will accept the current Senate infrastructure bill, but will try and vote them out office if they support the potential tax and spend bill from the house that Nancy wants to ram thru under reconciliation. Nancy has a real problem with the group of 9 on one side and the squad on the other who is demanding that both bills are voted up or down together. she knows she has roughly 200 yes votes from the sheep, but that is not enough, and if the 9 do not vote her way that leaves 209, or if the squad and friends do not vote her way that leaves about 200 sheep votes.

I know we can not believe any thing sleepy says, but he has been quoted several times that he would not sign separate bills, claiming they both had to arrive on his desk together to get his signature.

100% of the other side of the aisle will vote no, so she is up a creek and flailing about unless she can keep 100% of the vote in her favor.

[bigsky]

Afghanistan surrender as a distraction from overthrowing the country.

[dan_bgblue]

Looks like a sleight of hand move by the leaders will get the voting to move ahead.

Linkage (ttps://www.wsj.com/articles/house-democratic-leaders-move-to-get-centrists-on-board-ahead-of-key-vote-11629820709?cx_testId=3&cx_testVariant=cx_2&cx_artPos=0&mod=WTRN#cxrecs_s)

[dan_bgblue]

It is complicated I tell you, complicated (https://www.wsj.com/articles/whats-in-the-bipartisan-infrastructure-agreement-and-what-hurdles-lie-ahead-11627515002?mod=series_bideninfrastructure)

[dan_bgblue]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-democratic-leaders-move-to-get-centrists-on-board-ahead-of-key-vote-11629820709?mod=hp_lead_pos1

[KeithKSR]

https://www.wsj.com/articles/house-democratic-leaders-move-to-get-centrists-on-board-ahead-of-key-vote-11629820709?mod=hp_lead_pos1

That vote is similar to the one the Senate took earlier. Both houses will have to pass whatever comes out of reconciliation, and that is where the House moderate Dems and both Sinema and Manchin in the Senate can stop the bill in its tracks.

[dan_bgblue]

For what it is worth, the bipartisan vote on the infrastructure bill in the senate may have done what the senators hoped it would, and that is to slow down Bernie and Nancy's 3.5 trillion locomotive in the house. If it works, then Mitch deserves a positive nod for his leadership. imo

If the witch can force a winning vote on infrastructure in the house, their crazy wish list is likely to be stalled until they possibly take it up again after the mid term elections. JMHO If she can not push a positive vote thru then the house is gonna be a complete cluster while they are all scrambling for votes in a mid term election with a failing leader in the white house and a retiring leader with the gavel in the house.

Linkage (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pelosi-infrastructure-delay-reconciliation-senate-democrats-progressives)

[KeithKSR]

For what it is worth, the bipartisan vote on the infrastructure bill in the senate may have done what the senators hoped it would, and that is to slow down Bernie and Nancy's 3.5 trillion locomotive in the house. If it works, then Mitch deserves a positive nod for his leadership. imo

If the witch can force a winning vote on infrastructure in the house, their crazy wish list is likely to be stalled until they possibly take it up again after the mid term elections. JMHO If she can not push a positive vote thru then the house is gonna be a complete cluster while they are all scrambling for votes in a mid term election with a failing leader in the white house and a retiring leader with the gavel in the house.

Linkage (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pelosi-infrastructure-delay-reconciliation-senate-democrats-progressives)

Bernie has threatened to blow up the original infrastructure bill if the reconciliation package isn’t passed by the House first. The Dems have no working margin and passing either bill now looks iffy.

https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/sanders-bipartisan-infrastructure-deal-3-5t-spending-bill

[dan_bgblue]

JMHO If she can not push a positive vote thru then the house is gonna be a complete cluster while they are all scrambling for votes in a mid term election with a failing leader in the white house and a retiring leader with the gavel in the house.

If She can't get the infrastructure bill signed then the war over the 3.5 + trillion dollar bill to be rammed thru is political suicide for many members of the house. No one had the opportunity to fully read and analyze the Obama Care bill, and if she and Bernie have their way, no one will have a chance to read and understand all the ramifications of all sections of the 2,000 plus pages of the build back better bill and the vote timing will be used as a hostage in the staring contest over the vote on increasing the Debt Ceiling.

[dan_bgblue]

The lead broom rider blinked so hard her fake eyelashes fell off.

[CitizenBBN]

The lead broom rider blinked so hard her fake eyelashes fell off.

She can fly home for the weekend on a private jet, sit in front of her $50,000 refrigerator/freezers and eat some $30/gallon ice cream. She'll feel better in no time.

She doesn't even have to worry about someone stealing stuff from her car living in San Fran b/c she's got private security and a gated property.

[KeithKSR]

McConnell and Manchin both urging Pelosi and Schumer to use reconciliation on the debt ceiling. I believe that would negate the reconciliation from being used again during the current Congress.

[dan_bgblue]

Reconciliation Bill, as We Know It, Is Dead, Thanks To Senators Manchin, McConnell — and Schumer

This is the opinion of a scribe for the New York Sun, and is one I agree with.

McConnell, Manchin, and Sinema effectively killed it in the near term, and it is going to have one heck of a hard time being regenerated in it's current form. jmho

Linkage (https://www.nysun.com/national/reconciliation-bill-as-we-know-it-is-dead-thanks/91675/)
Linkage
(https://www.nysun.com/national/trick-or-treat-biden-pelosi-dressed-as/91679/)
Wall Street Journal report (https://www.wsj.com/articles/democrats-seek-path-forward-on-debt-ceiling-around-republican-resistance-11633533425?mod=hp_lead_pos4)

WASHINGTON—Senate Democrats were poised to accept a GOP proposal to defer the showdown over the debt ceiling until later this year, lawmakers said, as administration officials and corporate executives issued dire warnings about the dangers of a possible government default.

The proposal would extend the debt ceiling into December, provided that Democrats affix a dollar amount to the debt level. A deal could pave the way for a procedural vote in the Senate soon, to be followed by final passage sometime later this week. The House will still have to pass the legislation, which is expected to be signed into law by President Biden.

[dan_bgblue]

I am a bit disappointed at last night's vote in the Senate, but I have not thought it thru to the end. If the senate Republicans that voted for the increase without forcing the Dems to go it alone thought that the house radicals would stand pat and let the barn burn down, then they did the right thing by forcing them to put the reconciliation budget together with all their Christmas bows and ribbons in it so they can go thru it line by line and vote up or down then last night's action gave them ample opportunity to get their budget bill put together without shutting the government down.

That is one scenario, and I can honestly see Bernie and the squad letting the borrowing power evaporate to prove their point. Still a long way to go on this one. I think Mitch and company scared the pants off of Schumer so that is one positive.

Linkage (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/senate-vote-lift-debt-ceiling-default)

[CitizenBBN]

People want Mitch or the GOP to stand firm, but I remind them that the GOP doesn't control the media, so they don't control the message, and every other time we've shut down the government it has been a negative, not a positive in votes.

Most in the middle want less rancor, and right now Biden is being seen as not delivering on the "unity" part of his campaign, which is why his approval among independents, who won him the office, is in near free fall. They wanted him to be a moderate, to find compromises, and he's just the opposite. He's more extreme and less interested in compromise than Obama.

This is far from over, and honestly the longer the GOP can drag out these moves by the progressive left, i.e. closer to actual elections so people remember them better, all the better.

Here's where I think Mitch is at on this: the polling indicates the Democrats are hanging themselves. Their policies are seen as too extreme and divisive. There's no reason to jump in and give the media a way to blame the GOP and save the Democrats from themselves. Just stand back and let them shoot themselves in the mid-term foot.

The problem is that, beyond politics, the "infrastructure" bill, which is like calling a strip club a "restaurant" b/c they serve peanuts, has about 10,000 really bad ideas in it, all of which will hurt this country. There's only so much the GOP can do to stop it however. The next best thing is to cash in on it enough to win back both houses of Congress and maybe reverse some of it.

But in the end I'm moving, b/c any country with people dumb enough to elect people like AOC isn't worth worrying about too much.

[dan_bgblue]

WSJ Opinion Piece (https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-debt-limit-deception-joe-biden-democrats-reconciliation-bill-11633463734?mod=hp_opin_pos_5#cxrecs_s)

It talks about the points already made here, but does it in a more officious manner.

[dan_bgblue]

The Constitution Requires Congress to Set a Debt Limit
Lawmakers can’t delegate the power to borrow money any more than they let the Treasury change tax rates.
(https://www.wsj.com/articles/constitution-congress-debt-limit-borrowing-executive-agencies-delegation-treasury-department-11633380337?mod=hp_opin_pos_4#cxrecs_s)

Kudos to the WSJ for this bit of info

[CitizenBBN]

Don't underestimate McConnell.

yes seniority plays a big role in leadership positions, and McConnell is the most senior GOP Senator, but that's not the whole story. He's a master at Senate rules and the chess came of Washington.

I'll be interested to see what happens in December. McConnell is trying his best to get the media off the GOP, and may have limited effect, b/c he's now sent a public letter to Biden saying the Dems have 3 months to raise the debt limit on their own. Now when the GOP doesn't vote for it they have some defense. It wont' work with the propagandists who are now running CNN/ABC/CBS/NBC/etc. but it will help.

The best hope for the GOP is to make the Dems own this radical agenda, and hang it on them in the mid-terms and then again in 3 years.

Biden is more and more being seen correctly as the Emperor in his underwear telling everyone he has grand robes. Even the liberal media is now aware of the problem, and are increasingly doing less to hide him. When the election rolls around they'll close ranks, but even they now know Biden is not really the President and is incapable of performing the most basic act of the office in answering questions.

The goal of the GOP is to not step in and give the media and Dems a way to get out of owning what they are doing, and not doing. let them bicker internally and fight it out, and stay out of the way.

[CitizenBBN]

Edit: I looked, and Mitch is 2nd most senior GOP senator, behind Grassley.

Telling b/c Grassley is a committee ranking member, as is Shelby, who is next in line, but neither of them are senior leadership. Mitch is there b/c he's really good at the rules game of the Senate.

We'll see how we'll he's played this game come December.

And remember, he's playing without many cards. they are the minority. At the end of the day he has to work more with Manchin than anyone else to hold the line.

[dan_bgblue]

So far I think his gamesmanship has been masterful. He would have destroyed some built up good will, in the public sphere, had he pushed the issue any further allowing Schumer to pontificate and blame everything, including the murder of JFK on the current group of Republicans. For the next 45 days, the Dems will be working furiously to put together a trimmed down version of the Biden fantasy plan, and the brain trust of the Dem party will be leading them over the cliff.

[dan_bgblue]

Biden left the "framework" for his new 1,9 trillion BBB spending spree with the house this morning before jetting off to Glasgow in the UK, for some kind of summit of world leaders. As you might imagine, there is dissent among the "progressives" over the list of beneficiaries of the free money and those that will be left out. They also disagree on whether to vote on the Senate approved "shovel ready" infrastructure bill that will keep the, already approved, Surface Transportation Reauthorization Act from dying on the vine if the infrastructure bill is not passed.

Oh yeah, the congress will have to choose whether to vote on Brandon's "Framework" with no real knowledge of what the actual language will be and what the OMB numbers will look like once they get done with their number crunching of the actual bill language is complete. Yeah, they are doing it again. You have to approve the bill and all that entails before you get to read the language of the bill, only this time the bill has not even been written.

You go Brandon

[CitizenBBN]

I think the way Congress works now we need to eliminate "representative government", "democracy" and several other descriptors from Wiki pages describing the US system of government. You can't have representation when your representatives vote for things that aren't even things yet, and about which they have no idea.

we could do that now via internet ourselves without a Congress.

[KeithKSR]

I believe McConnell is trying to back the Dems into a corner that forces them to use reconciliation to set the debt limit, which in turn should keep it from being used for the infrastructure bill. Reconciliation is supposed to only be used once annually, and the Dems have already used it for 2021 and the infrastructure plan would be the one use 2022, unless they have to burn it for the debt limit. They cannot use the 2023 reconciliation until the next Congress is in session in January 2023.

[dan_bgblue]

And the parliamentarian of the Senate must agree that each bill put forward in the "reconciliation budget" fits into the framework of the procedure and if it does not then that bill is thrown out of the proposed spending package.

[dan_bgblue]

A Jerry-Rigged Budget ‘Framework’
The $1.75 trillion cost is phony, but the social and fiscal damage are real.


Excellent article from the Wall Street Journal (https://www.wsj.com/articles/a-jerry-rigged-budget-framework-joe-biden-white-house-reconciliation-bill-democrats-11635457542?mod=hp_opin_pos_1)

[Doc]

In yet another example of the hypocrisy of politics:

Parents speaking up at school board meeting are labelled "domestic terrorists" for harassing public officials yet harrass a sitting senator in the bathroom, airport, etc is fine, and clearly different for some reason. But ruining a wedding, COME ON, MAN!

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/arizona-bride-kyrsten-sinema-protesters-wedding

This because she dared to show an inkling of fiscal responsibility. In my book she is still a tax and spend democrat. On the likeabity scale, she is just ahead of Mitch McConnell. But at least she has the courage to do what she thinks is right rather than being a sheep following the herder

[bigsky]

Pelosi called a vote this am on a new version 2000 pages?

[KeithKSR]

Pelosi called a vote this am on a new version 2000 pages?

I don’t think they would be voting on it if not for the progressives pushing for a vote. It may not have the votes to pass the House.

[bigsky]

She won’t put it on the floor without the votes.

[KeithKSR]

She won’t put it on the floor without the votes.

That’s what I would think, but the progressives are pushing for a vote on it. It looks like it may be a one or two vote margin either way.

[dan_bgblue]

Is this the infrastructure bill already passed in the Senate or is it the BBB spending spree bill that was still a framework just a couple of days ago that is coming up for a vote?

[KeithKSR]

Is this the infrastructure bill already passed in the Senate or is it the BBB spending spree bill that was still a framework just a couple of days ago that is coming up for a vote?

They want to vote for both today, but it isn’t looking like they have the votes for the reconciliation bill.

[KeithKSR]

It looks like the infrastructure bill will be voted on today, but only the rules for voting on the massive reconciliation bill will be voted on, and not the bill itself.

https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/biden-infrastructure-social-spending

[dan_bgblue]

And that is what happened. They passed the infrastructure bill and it can go to Brandon's desk for final signature, but the BBB early Christmas present bill will have to wait for the CBO to score that portion of the spending package before a vote will take place. If the house passes that spending package, it will then go to the Senate for likely modifications and a vote.

[bigsky]

Listening to BootyGuage right now. Light rail! Passenger trains! Transit! Build Back Better! Free Money!

[bigsky]

Half your salary still is not “your fair share”. According to that dipstick.

[Doc]

Listening to BootyGuage right now. Light rail! Passenger trains! Transit! Build Back Better! Free Money!

Typical government emotes. Has no sense of the real world. Takes 3 months "maturity leave" and he wasn't even the birthing person. In the real world, nobody take 3 months off

[KeithKSR]

I hope one of Tester, Sinema or Manchin says no to BBB if it passes the House. Right now the bill doesn’t have the votes to pass the House.

[dan_bgblue]

I hope one of Tester, Sinema or Manchin says no to BBB if it passes the House. Right now the bill doesn’t have the votes to pass the House.

Nancy thinks she has the votes to push it thru as it is written today. If the Senate makes major chances to it before they return it to the House, then it could fall on it's face. The house passed the reconciliation rule and that makes the number of votes needed to be 51 instead of 60 from the Senate side, but it pushes the Senate to examine each part of the bill to make sure it qualifies under the reconciliation guidelines, and it it does not, they have to throw that part of the overall bill out. I am convinced that Sinema and Manchin will stick to their guns. The new bill may satisfy their demands, but I betcha if they read all 2,000 plus pages closely enough, they will not be satisfied.

[KeithKSR]

Nancy thinks she has the votes to push it thru as it is written today. If the Senate makes major chances to it before they return it to the House, then it could fall on it's face. The house passed the reconciliation rule and that makes the number of votes needed to be 51 instead of 60 from the Senate side, but it pushes the Senate to examine each part of the bill to make sure it qualifies under the reconciliation guidelines, and it it does not, they have to throw it out. I am convinced that Sinema and Manchin will stick to their guns. The new bill may satisfy their demands, but I betcha if they read all 2,000 plus pages closely enough, they will not be satisfied.

If Nancy had the votes she would have had the House vote on it yesterday.

[dan_bgblue]

I think she wants the Senate to vote it down and send it back to the House leaving her no room to mess around and still meet the December deadline, so she can do interviews blasting the Senate and the Republicans, while telling her left leaning supporters that she fought long and hard to get them the promised BBB free dollars.

[Catonahottinroof]

Agree. Political theater for the stupid masses who don’t really pay attention.
I think she wants the Senate to vote it down and send it back to the House leaving her no room to mess around and still meet the December deadline, so she can do interviews blasting the Senate and the Republicans, while telling her left leaning supporters that she fought long and hard to get them the promised BBB free dollars.

[bigsky]

Tester is a lost cause. No longer moderate at all. A swamper, not a montanan.

[dan_bgblue]

It must have been difficult to remain a moderate in Soggy Bottom during the Obama years, and serving with Schumer, Bernie, etc

[CitizenBBN]

Tester is a lost cause. No longer moderate at all. A swamper, not a montanan.

Amazing how that happens to so many, who get really used to the warm feeling of having people kiss your ass and act like you're important.

[dan_bgblue]

Trump slams Biden spending bills as 'Green New Deal,' warns Democrats will lose dozens of House seats in 2022

GOP BUILDS CONFIDENCE THAT BIDEN'S INFRASTRUCTURE, SOCIAL SPENDING PACKAGES WILL FAIL

Meanwhile, a White House official told Fox News that Biden is speaking with House leadership, progressives and moderates "in an effort to come to a solution" Friday night.

Democrats in the House had expected to have the votes to pass both the bipartisan infrastructure bill and their massive reconciliation spending bill Friday.

Biden's social spending package, once valued at $3.5 trillion, is now down to a leaner $1.75 trillion after progressives and moderates agreed to cut programs, including universal community college.

[bigsky]

I am big supporter of two year college, having banged away until one was started here. But no one values anything they get for free. Andthe new spending package is no more $1.75 trillion than it is free.

[dan_bgblue]

Just as previously discussed. She is gonna put the push on so she can dump the responsibility over to the Senate.

Linkage (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/pelosi-top-democrats-plan-vote-infrastructure-reconciliation-rule-friday)

[dan_bgblue]

Another watchdog group now estimates the true cost of the upcoming bill to be $5 trillion, not $1.8 trillion.

It would take 253,344.6 years, 32 days, 1 hour, 46 minutes, and 40 seconds. to count that many 1 dollar bills, if one counted each bill in 1 second and never took a break for a meal or a potty break. By then, I think our future relatives will be able to definitively give us the answer to the global warning debate.

Linkage (https://www.foxbusiness.com/politics/budget-tricks-reconciliation-spending-house-pelosi-biden)

[dan_bgblue]

The broom rider got the bill advanced to the Senate. 220 votes for, and 213 nay votes.

[dan_bgblue]

The broom rider got the bill advanced to the Senate. 220 votes for, and 213 nay votes.

I meant to mention yesterday, that the vote tally "should" prevent the demorats from claiming that they have a mandate for the spending spree. I almost guarantee that when they get something across the finish line, we will hear those words being used by some of the idiots.

[dan_bgblue]

What Abe Lincoln Would Say About the Biden Budget Bill

Now, about the legislation that is sometimes called the Triple B. Forget about “Build Back Better.” The more apt phrase would be “bankrupt, benefit, and bureaucracy.” The bill is a disaster for the economy, and should’ve been killed. Right? That’s my mantra. Save America. Kill the bill.

Linkage (https://www.nysun.com/national/what-abe-lincoln-would-say-about-the-biden-budget/91759/)

[dan_bgblue]

CBO finally removes the fake exclusions in the Demorat bill and now says the Biden triple B act will cost 4.9 trillion instead of the previous 2.7 trillion estimate.

That is right 4.9 TRILLION (https://www.nysun.com/national/two-game-changing-numbers-could-yet-kill/91810/)

[dan_bgblue]

Unless something untoward happens to Senator Manchin, the BBBa is dead in the water, as his one no vote, if the Republicans hold their no votes. will be the one vote the conservatives need to kill it.

My recommendation to him is to hire high quality personal protection and have a troop of computer whiz kids to crack into Hillary's email server and monitor her black money accounts for large cash transactions sent to known gunmen.

[catmanjack]

Thank goodness for the West Virginia senator at least he has some sense being a Democrat.