I Suspect There Have Been 10X Posts Here Condemning Capitol Attack Vs Summer Riots

[Darryl]

At the least

Darryl

[TRUCKERCATFAN]

Yep. You are correct.

[blueboss]

Where was the outrage during the last few months in countless cities across the country? In those riots the loss of life and destruction of property was a lot more severe than what took place in the capitol.

I don’t advocate violence and property destruction in any type of riot no matter the cause. Had this been stopped over the summer it more than likely would not have happened to the extent it did in the Capitol.

Having said that, I’d rather see these demonstrations take place in the Capitol, after all those who are able to make the changes being brought up are all located there. It’s far better than destroying innocent bystanders and businesses and livelihoods across the country.


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[Darryl]

Where was the outrage during the last few months in countless cities across the country? In those riots the loss of life and destruction of property was a lot more severe than what took place in the capitol.

I don’t advocate violence and property destruction in any type of riot no matter the cause. Had this been stopped over the summer it more than likely would not have happened to the extent it did in the Capitol.

Having said that, I’d rather see these demonstrations take place in the Capitol, after all those who are able to make the changes being brought up are all located there. It’s far better than destroying innocent bystanders and businesses and livelihoods across the country.


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Excellent thoughts

Darryl

[Doc]

Summer riots were peaceful and only private property was damage...except for the Portland Court building which Trump attempted to protect, but was overstepping his authority when he did so. Those were organized and carried out by oppressed citizen clamoring for equality.

The overthrow of the capital was by slack jaw toothless racist rednecks. Clearly you see the difference.



PS...sorry if you missed the sarcasm

[Doc]

Where was the outrage during the last few months in countless cities across the country? In those riots the loss of life and destruction of property was a lot more severe than what took place in the capitol.

I don’t advocate violence and property destruction in any type of riot no matter the cause. Had this been stopped over the summer it more than likely would not have happened to the extent it did in the Capitol.

Having said that, I’d rather see these demonstrations take place in the Capitol, after all those who are able to make the changes being brought up are all located there. It’s far better than destroying innocent bystanders and businesses and livelihoods across the country.


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Are you suggesting the sucker punching "white folk" is not a good method of protest? I mean do a youtube search of "sucker punch protester" and you will get plenty of "Trump supporter sucker punches" and "Trump supporter who sucker punched hug in court".... These are the top 23. There was no mention of Trump in the post, just SUCKER PUNCH PROTESTER". All those things we saw on the news last summer never happened.


Donald Trump Supporter Sucker Punches Protester While Being Escorted
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Donald Trump supporter sucker-punches black protester at rally
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Protester Who Was Sucker-Punched By Trump Supporter Gets Apology, Hug In Court
The Trump supporter who elbowed an African-American man in the face at a North Carolina rally in March was in court ...
Man says he was sucker punched at Imperial Beach protest
The man was participating in a Black Lives Matter protest.
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A man captured on video kicking and punching an anti-Donald Trump protester at the presidential candidate's rally in Tucson on ...
Black Protester Sucker-Punched At Trump Rally in North Carolina
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The Trump supporter who was filmed sucker punching a protester during a rally in North Carolina said: "Next time, we might have ...
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You have to keep your head on a swivel when you around some of these crazy a$$ people. A Black Lives Matter protester was ...
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DA: Men Wanted For Hate Crimes After Sucker-Punch At IB Protest
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Trump protester sucker punched
A protester at Donald Trump's rally in North Carolina is sucker punched as he is escorted out. (video courtesy of Chris Doyle)

[anderwt]

I have felt compelled to come on and here say as a conservative.. This is real talk. If BLM attacks the capital like this right wing nuts did this week, there would have been a lot of African Americans and young people killed. That is real and hard talk. I hate the kneeling and the burning of buildings, but I hate more what trump caused this week. Censorship is dangerous as well, but what have conservatives Been trying to do to Kneeling to the flag? Im embarrassed as a conservative of what happened this week. That wasn’t being an American patriot. That was insanity

[ukpumacat]

I have felt compelled to come on and here say as a conservative.. This is real talk. If BLM attacks the capital like this right wing nuts did this week, there would have been a lot of African Americans and young people killed. That is real and hard talk. I hate the kneeling and the burning of buildings, but I hate more what trump caused this week. Censorship is dangerous as well, but what have conservatives Been trying to do to Kneeling to the flag? Im embarrassed as a conservative of what happened this week. That wasn’t being an American patriot. That was insanity

Thanks for saying this.

Btw, I want to point out that I think its a fair criticism to say that many "liberals" (whether it be the media, friends, on here, etc) were silent on the rioting that occurred last summer. It was awful and wrong. And I thought the media made a mistake not spending more time on it.

Having said that, I also think its a mistake to even bring that up amongst this discussion. Because even if its a fair criticism it doesn't deal with what is before us now. And its used as a distraction and for many a justification or excuse.

I don't think most people (conservatives and liberals alike) realize just how close we were to an absolute massacre. We are already seeing more and more information coming out about it and there will be way more. In the coming months, we are going to hear things that will make our skin crawl.

[Doc]

I have felt compelled to come on and here say as a conservative.. This is real talk. If BLM attacks the capital like this right wing nuts did this week, there would have been a lot of African Americans and young people killed. That is real and hard talk. I hate the kneeling and the burning of buildings, but I hate more what trump caused this week. Censorship is dangerous as well, but what have conservatives Been trying to do to Kneeling to the flag? Im embarrassed as a conservative of what happened this week. That wasn’t being an American patriot. That was insanity

Trump has never advocated violence. He repeated advocated for Peaceful protests. He said it in his speech as well as denouncing the violence in the aftermath. Show me a single example of him advocating for violence and I will apologize and support your claim. I dont want a report by some media outlet. I want a quote with the entire context

[ukpumacat]

Trump has never advocated violence.

I haven't seen a single post on here by someone saying Trump advocated violence.

[anderwt]

I haven't seen a single post on here by someone saying Trump advocated violence.

Did he ever Condemn it. The man has lost it made a mockery of the Presidency. He could have accomplished all the great things he did to our economy without being a nut job

[ukpumacat]

I have felt compelled to come on and here say as a conservative.. This is real talk. If BLM attacks the capital like this right wing nuts did this week, there would have been a lot of African Americans and young people killed. That is real and hard talk. I hate the kneeling and the burning of buildings, but I hate more what trump caused this week. Censorship is dangerous as well, but what have conservatives Been trying to do to Kneeling to the flag? Im embarrassed as a conservative of what happened this week. That wasn’t being an American patriot. That was insanity

One more thought on this that I hesitate to make simply because I don't want to drift to far from the OP.

But, I started another thread some time ago about a "Republican Civil War". To be clear, I didn't mean a literal one. I meant a division from within the Republican Party.

What happened last Wednesday will only further divide the party. Without a doubt I have some die hard Trump supporters in my life (friends and family) that still defend him even in the wake of what happened. That won't change.
But, I also have many who have defended him through and through. Voted for him twice. Defended the "election was stolen" stuff. And until last Wednesday, would have voted for him again if that were an option.
Wednesday changed that. They are done for good (like T in this post). And not only are they done with him, they now are looking back and realizing the damage that has been done in the past few months and the things that led to last week happening.

Again, this is for a different thread, but a major major issue for the Republican Party moving forward is how to deal with this. I will post more elsewhere but wanted to respond to this post by at least bringing that divide up.

[anderwt]

One more thought on this that I hesitate to make simply because I don't want to drift to far from the OP.

But, I started another thread some time ago about a "Republican Civil War". To be clear, I didn't mean a literal one. I meant a division from within the Republican Party.

What happened last Wednesday will only further divide the party. Without a doubt I have some die hard Trump supporters in my life (friends and family) that still defend him even in the wake of what happened. That won't change.
But, I also have many who have defended him through and through. Voted for him twice. Defended the "election was stolen" stuff. And until last Wednesday, would have voted for him again if that were an option.
Wednesday changed that. They are done for good (like T in this post). And not only are they done with him, they now are looking back and realizing the damage that has been done in the past few months and the things that led to last week happening.

Again, this is for a different thread, but a major major issue for the Republican Party moving forward is how to deal with this. I will post more elsewhere but wanted to respond to this post by at least bringing that divide up.

You described it perfectly. If conservatives don’t move on from him, the left wing censorship, cnn, AOC mafia, your simply just letting them win by supporting this goon now. And that is what he is, a goon. He had every chance to be ABOVE what the left wing media does and BLM extremist. Instead he has brought our party to their level and it has pissed me off

[ukpumacat]

Did he ever Condemn it. The man has lost it made a mockery of the Presidency. He could have accomplished all the great things he did to our economy without being a nut job

Oh, I'm with you. Haha. I know exactly what you were saying. And more will come out and already has.

His Pentagon officials refused to allow the National Guard to be present when they were asked to do so before the rally and protest.
He initially refused to allow the National Guard to go in once the siege started.
While the siege was happening and our Congressmen were bunkered in a holding room scared for their lives....he was in the White House MAKING CALLS TO CONGRESSMEN to get them to continue to hold up the proceedings. This is a fact.
And in his video, after telling them to go home, he closed his video with, "We love you. You're very special."

They literally built a gallows and a noose.

9903

And this is what they were chanting as they stormed the Capitol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fag0aC_M0_U&feature=emb_logo

For years, we have been told this stuff was not literal. That it was "just words". Until last Wednesday when they took it to action.

He has still yet to comment on the police officer who was murdered. On and on it goes.

[anderwt]

Oh, I'm with you. Haha. I know exactly what you were saying. And more will come out and already has.

His Pentagon officials refused to allow the National Guard to be present when they were asked to do so before the rally and protest.
He initially refused to allow the National Guard to go in once the siege started.
While the siege was happening and our Congressmen were bunkered in a holding room scared for their lives....he was in the White House MAKING CALLS TO CONGRESSMEN to get them to continue to hold up the proceedings. This is a fact.
And in his video, after telling them to go home, he closed his video with, "We love you. You're very special."

They literally built a gallows and a noose.

9903

And this is what they were chanting as they stormed the Capitol:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fag0aC_M0_U&feature=emb_logo

For years, we have been told this stuff was not literal. That it was "just words". Until last Wednesday when they took it to action.

He has still yet to comment on the police officer who was murdered. He refused to allow the White House flag to be flown at half mass. On and on it goes.

If you support this, then you are NOT a Republican cause I don’t stand for this

[Catfan73]

Donald Trump may not have directly ordered the violence but there’s a concept called stochastic terrorism. If anyone has ever been guilty of it, it’s Trump.

[anderwt]

Donald Trump may not have directly ordered the violence but there’s a concept called stochastic terrorism. If anyone has ever been guilty of it, it’s Trump.

It’s time for true conservative Republicans to admit this.. I do 1000% think he cause every bit of this

[ukpumacat]

It’s time for true conservative Republicans to admit this.. I do 1000% think he cause every bit of this



A man named Don has a German Shepherd.

For years, he has been teaching and training that German Shepherd to hate Pit Bulls. He teaches him they are the enemy.

Every day, he feeds that German Shepherd chunks of raw red meat.

One day, he tells the German Shepherd that a neighboring Pit Bull and owner stole his raw red meat.

So, he puts the German Shepherd on a leash and starts walking him to find his raw red meat. He does it the same day and time that he knows the Pit Bull owner takes him on walks.

They see the Pit Bull and owner across the street.

The German Shepherd is rabid. Angry. And furious at the sight of the enemy. He's right there across the street. So close. He's seething at the mouth. His tail is up. He's ready.

Don takes the leash off the German Shepherd and throws a piece of raw red meat at the pit bull.

The German Shepherd attacks the pit bull and owner (who btw, do not have the raw red meat...the German Shepherd owner had just lost it and needed someone to blame). Thankfully, other neighbors were around and were able to stop the German Shepherd from killing the pit bull and owner.

Don stands on the other side of the street and watches the fight.

He never tries to go get the German Shepherd.

He never tries to get other neighbors to help.

He just....watches (and calls the Butcher to see if there is a sale on raw red meat for later).

Finally, after a lot of fighting and other neighbors screaming at him, he quietly tells the German Shepherd to come back over.

But the German Shepherd can't hear him because he's across the street and he isn't looking at his phone watching twitter at the moment. He's in a dog fight for his raw red meat they didn't steal.

Eventually enough other neighbors come to the rescue and stop the fight.

One of the intervening neighbors died from multiple bites from the German Shepherd.

When the German Shepherd comes back across the street, Don tells him he loves him and he is special.

He doesn't thank the neighbors for intervening.

He doesn't send a card to the dead neighbor.

After all, none of it was his fault...he never TOLD the German Shepherd to go attack the Pit Bull.

[Doc]

Did he ever Condemn it. The man has lost it made a mockery of the Presidency. He could have accomplished all the great things he did to our economy without being a nut job

Multiple times

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/trump-condemns-violence-at-us-capitol-in-strongest-possible-terms-spokeswoman/story-CMYeV2i8SqKQuTIJbiBNqK.html


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dGyorUVHtt8

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533240-mcenany-trump-condemns-violence-rioting-in-the-strongest-possible

[ukpumacat]

Multiple times

https://www.hindustantimes.com/world-news/trump-condemns-violence-at-us-capitol-in-strongest-possible-terms-spokeswoman/story-CMYeV2i8SqKQuTIJbiBNqK.html


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=dGyorUVHtt8

https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/533240-mcenany-trump-condemns-violence-rioting-in-the-strongest-possible

Literally, none of those are Donald Trump.

[StuBleedsBlue2]

I haven't seen a single post on here by someone saying Trump advocated violence.


Then I will be the first to say it.

I can spend a day adding his past comments that are calls to action, but I am going to focus on just the one from Wednesday:

"Because you'll never take back our country with weakness. "You have to show strength, and you have to be strong."

What does strength and strong mean?

He was watching the events as they were happening, smiling, laughing. His inner circle were dancing and enjoying themselves as the violence was happening. He told them that he "loved him".

Puma, I am sure that you would think that Trump knew about what we are starting to see as detailed plans of violence online. He's the POTUS, unless there was a MAJOR failure of our intelligence, he had to be briefed on what people were planning to do, and he and his circle STILL went on stage and said the things they said.

Has Trump ever said I encourage you to use force and violence? Of course not. He doesn't have to. That is not his style. Trump never asks for crimes to happen directly, but those loyal to him always fully understand what he wants. He is an intelligent criminal.

[ukpumacat]

The FBI just reported that they indeed let the Admin and Capitol police know of the planned attack.

[StuBleedsBlue2]

The FBI just reported that they indeed let the Admin and Capitol police know of the planned attack.

So then one would have to assume they briefed Trump too and he still said those things.

At the end of the day, it doesn't matter what anyone on this board thinks, Trump still has 40 million citizens who support him and think the events of Wednesday were justified, it is about what law enforcement thinks.

One by one, these people that are being arrested are singing like little birds saying it that Trump is the reason for their planned attacks.

He knew what they were planning. To me, that's advocation. Puma, what word(s) would you use?

[StuBleedsBlue2]

If you support this, then you are NOT a Republican cause I don’t stand for this

I call these people (and Trump) RINO's, attempting to hijack the party.

To me, Republicans are people like:

John Kasich
Mitt Romney
Jeff Flake
Ben Sasse
Adam Kinzinger
Will Hurd
Joe Walsh
George Bush
Jeff Flake
Steve Schmidt
George Will
George Conway
Bill Kristol


I can go on and on...

People with conservative values that do not support authoritarianism.

[ukpumacat]

He knew what they were planning. To me, that's advocation. Puma, what word(s) would you use?

Oh, I 100% hold him accountable.

[anderwt]

Go watch this.. law and order? It’s embarrassing ... these are trump supporters, beating the law enforcement we love and who should not be treated like this

https://twitter.com/jannwolfe/status/1348327073773985802?s=21

[Doc]

Literally, none of those are Donald Trump.

Obviously you did not watch the youtube link, unless that is his double

[ukpumacat]

Obviously you did not watch the youtube link, unless that is his double

Ha. I didn't watch all of it. It started with a news org in India. Yes, I had already seen his speech.

[StuBleedsBlue2]

Ha. I didn't watch all of it. It started with a news org in India. Yes, I had already seen his speech.

We all saw his speech. It was classic 'Teleprompter Don'.

The problem with his speeches that condemn the resulting actions from the fury that he whips up is that he has a pattern of condemning and immediately stoking right after.

No one should take his condemnations with any integrity or seriousness. They truly are the example of empty words, but they do satisfy his supporters.

[Doc]

Ha. I didn't watch all of it. It started with a news org in India. Yes, I had already seen his speech.

Its not his rally speech. Of course that mentioned a peaceful march on the Capital, emphasis on peaceful.

No, the portion In the Indian report was in the aftermath where he condemned the violence, talked about calling out the national guard (something liberals opposed when rioters attacked the federal building in Portland in yet another act of hypocrisy. Riot in the Capital where we are then we need protection but riot elsewhere, then tough because it was an opportunity to oppose Trump). And I intentionally selected a newscast that was not pro-Trump to avoid any appearance of selectivity and pro Trump bias

[ukpumacat]

Its not his rally speech. Of course that mentioned a peaceful march on the Capital, emphasis on peaceful.

No, the portion In the Indian report was in the aftermath

Yes, I know. I am saying I had already seen that speech. The one from after the events.

[Doc]

Yes, I know. I am saying I had already seen that speech. The one from after the events.

And how did anything he say "glorify violence"? This is the reasoning behind blocking/locking his FB and Twitter accounts. It also the reasoning behind the idiotic impeachment drive.

[ukpumacat]

And how did anything he say "glorify violence"? This is the reasoning behind blocking/locking his FB and Twitter accounts. It also the reasoning behind the idiotic impeachment drive.

I don't agree with them locking his accounts. I understand their thinking. And as individual companies they have the right to do whatever they want. But, I likely would not have made that decision.