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Darrell KSR
11-27-2020, 08:52 AM
Ordered a dishwasher from Costco and they do installation, but they ask that the customer uninstall the existing dishwasher for haul-away.

Dumbing this down so even I can understand, is this something I can do? Or should I call the man to do this for me as well?

My WAG is that you unscrew a couple of screws, and hopefully slide it out. I guess there's some hard-wiring and must be some water source. I'm starting to worry myself as I think through this...

dan_bgblue
11-27-2020, 09:05 AM
2 water lines have to be disconnected from back of unit, one is the inlet line (this one needs to be shut off before disconnecting) the other line is the drain line. There will be a 3 wire electrical connection that needs to be disconnected (must disconnect from fuse or breaker panel or remove fuse of flip breaker before tackling this one. There will be a few screws attaching it to surrounding hunks of wood, and these will need to be removed before attempting to remove the unit.

That is pretty much it. Call the MAN

Catfan73
11-27-2020, 09:20 AM
I delivered and installed appliances for Lowe’s for about 8 months once and dishwashers are the worst. It’s usually nasty under there and you have to be a contortionist to disconnect everything and then and reconnect it. Probably why they stopped doing it.

Run as much water out as you can before you start.

Darrell KSR
11-27-2020, 09:22 AM
Call the MAN


It’s usually nasty under there and you have to be a contortionist to disconnect everything and then and reconnect it.

I think I've heard enough. Thanks; made this an easy call.

Doc
11-27-2020, 09:24 AM
Only slightly more difficult than intalling. So much depends on how it was intalled though. Some are simple plugs while othere are hardwired. Also depends on the length of the water lines.

Doc
11-27-2020, 09:24 AM
I think I've heard enough. Thanks; made this an easy call.

Any "handy man" can do

Darrell KSR
11-27-2020, 09:25 AM
Only slightly more difficult than intalling. So much depends on how it was intalled though. Some are simple plugs while othere are hardwired. Also depends on the length of the water lines.

And another vote for "Call the man." :)

kingcat
11-27-2020, 09:28 AM
2 water lines have to be disconnected from back of unit, one is the inlet line (this one needs to be shut off before disconnecting) the other line is the drain line. There will be a 3 wire electrical connection that needs to be disconnected (must disconnect from fuse or breaker panel or remove fuse of flip breaker before tackling this one. There will be a few screws attaching it to surrounding hunks of wood, and these will need to be removed before attempting to remove the unit.

That is pretty much it. Call the MAN

Changed a couple, and Dan's spot on.

Earliest model had wires under the front edge and had to lay on the floor and remove a kick panel for access. The replacement was much more simple as I recall.

Darrell KSR
11-27-2020, 09:29 AM
Any "handy man" can do

Fortunately, I found a guy I really like for this kind of stuff. I needed to have some stair bannisters/railings removed to get a too large refrigerator on a 2nd floor (don't ask). The guy I had do it before said he was retired from doing that kind of work (he did it on the side).

Somebody recommended the "Koala Man" (https://koalahomeservices.com/about/) to do it. I called the man, and he did it quickly, and for about 1/2 the price the first guy charged me to do it.

I have a ton of things at my house that need doing, so it's just a question of parceling them out from time to time.

Doc
11-27-2020, 09:40 AM
My contactor is a do anything guy so I know what you mean. He will do small jobs such as replacing a bar top (including going down to Miami to pick it up...was a picked of aged redwood that would not fit in our jeep) to redoing an entire house.

We actually asked him to do the walkthru on our daughters new home as they were building (one of these cookie cutter developments where you pick model A, B or C) to be sure build was up to snuff....then fix the cheap stuff they put in like removeing the plastic "tile" around tubs, install a fence around uard, etc

BigBluePappy
11-27-2020, 09:55 AM
Took out our antique model and put in a new Bosch super-duper quiet model.
Removal was less then 45 minutes and the install process on the newer one took even less time.

If you do not have the time or in the least way feel uncomfortable, call the man.

You are dealing with electrical AND plumbing; one missed fitting can create a mess or set your tail to humming...

KeithKSR
11-27-2020, 11:13 AM
They usually just have two screws right above the door that anchor them to the cabinet. When you take them out it should slide out to disconnect power and the water lines.

Get a nice braided supply line to go with the new dishwasher. They are well worth the few extra dollars.

BigBluePappy
11-27-2020, 05:27 PM
They usually just have two screws right above the door that anchor them to the cabinet. When you take them out it should slide out to disconnect power and the water lines.

Get a nice braided supply line to go with the new dishwasher. They are well worth the few extra dollars.

Amen!

blueboss
11-27-2020, 06:54 PM
We replaced our dishwasher not long ago. I don’t recall the particulars of whether the place we bought it from took out the old and replaced the new one, or we paid to have it done.

I do remember pulling a “Marlin Perkins” on the whole deal, and while the guy wrestled the old unit and installed the new unit I watched from a safe distance. I also recall thinking I was glad I had it done, while the guy made it look easy there were a few things that I’m sure I would have screwed it up and turned an hour job in to an all day three trips to Ace day.

Call the man...



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catmanjack
11-27-2020, 09:24 PM
Well honestly I am remodeling my kitchen and just removed my dishwasher, was very easy.
Will let you know on the install.

dan_bgblue
11-27-2020, 09:50 PM
Well honestly I am remodeling my kitchen and just removed my dishwasher, was very easy.
Will let you know on the install.

Did the cabinetry survive unscathed? :4chsmu1:

catmanjack
11-27-2020, 10:52 PM
Not it’s all destroyed! Have a bare kitchen!

dan_bgblue
11-28-2020, 07:41 AM
Gotcha. That would make the uninstall go quite easy.

BigBluePappy
11-28-2020, 01:51 PM
Grammy wants to do that in the next year or two...

dan_bgblue
11-28-2020, 07:49 PM
Grammy wants to do that in the next year or two...

Tell her that is a no go until the dishwasher goes kaputt.

CitizenBBN
11-28-2020, 09:37 PM
It's usually not hard, but the catch is as mentioned above having enough hoses etc. to connect it without being Mr. Fantastic (made of rubber).

As for getting the old one out that's easy enough. Turn off your water, pull really hard. :)

seriously it's not a big deal but I turn most of that over to "my guy" when I can now just b/c of time. I don't have 3-4 hours to go down a rabbit hole, and he can do it in 1-2.

kingcat
11-28-2020, 10:53 PM
Anymore I'd prefer to have things like this done.

But back in the day, Donna loved to see me bent over working to save us money. I think my youngest was indirectly the result of a fried water heater.
I guess that's understandable..

https://i0.wp.com/theplumbinginfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/IMG_1154-e1423074787149.jpg?resize=1080%2C675&ssl=1

BigBluePappy
11-28-2020, 10:55 PM
Tell her that is a no go until the dishwasher goes kaputt.

I would like to do the guest bathroom next. Not a remodel but a redo. I like the layout, just don't like the fixtures, flooring or paint.
Oh, and I may suggest that to Grammy, but that is not how Cliffco works, and she is the current CEO, COO, and Prime Minister of Finance.:D

blueboss
11-29-2020, 05:59 PM
Anymore I'd prefer to have things like this done.

But back in the day, Donna loved to see me bent over working to save us money. I think my youngest was indirectly the result of a fried water heater.
I guess that's understandable..

https://i0.wp.com/theplumbinginfo.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/IMG_1154-e1423074787149.jpg?resize=1080%2C675&ssl=1

That’s one way to keep a co worker from asking to borrow your tools...


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Darrell KSR
12-04-2020, 09:58 AM
Wife convinced me to try.

A few words my mama told me never to say later, some frustration because I can never find the right tools, and a little trepidation about whether I was using the voltage tester thing right, and it has been removed. Would take a normal person 15 minutes to do. Took me 90. For me, 6x is a good ratio.

Doc
12-04-2020, 10:05 AM
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Darrell KSR
12-08-2020, 10:19 AM
Well, apparently there was some screw up on when the dishwasher was supposed to be delivered. So we had to wait from Friday until today for it to be delivered.

I guess I did not remember the last time, but they actually have one truck that delivers, and then they send out the installers. The delivery people indicated that the installers would be out later today. What do you think the odds are on them not showing up today?

I actually have a couple things I have to get done today, but if I get those done and have not heard from the installers, I'm tempted… Now, where is that screw extraction kit?

BigBluePappy
12-08-2020, 11:34 AM
Good Luck to you sir, and my money is on you being able to do this, without a screw extractor.

dan_bgblue
12-08-2020, 12:35 PM
As cool as the weather is, you will probable have to choke the chain saw to get it started. Once you have it running good, you can make quick work of both the stair railing and the dishwasher removal.

Darrell KSR
12-08-2020, 01:25 PM
Well, apparently there was some screw up on when the dishwasher was supposed to be delivered. So we had to wait from Friday until today for it to be delivered.

I guess I did not remember the last time, but they actually have one truck that delivers, and then they send out the installers. The delivery people indicated that the installers would be out later today. What do you think the odds are on them not showing up today?

I actually have a couple things I have to get done today, but if I get those done and have not heard from the installers, I'm tempted… Now, where is that screw extraction kit?I win!

The plumbing company called after the delivery people delivered. They said that they had it down on their records for the delivery to be on the 16th. When I told him it was delivered today, they expressed shock, and said the best they could do was come out Friday. They are currently in the reconsideration phase.

Darrell KSR
12-08-2020, 02:14 PM
Their reconsideration phase is over. They reconsidered and decided they could, after all, be out at 9 a.m. to install.

dan_bgblue
12-08-2020, 06:26 PM
Did you have the chain saw running in the background when you talked to them the first time?

The noise of a chainsaw can sometimes move mountains when it can not be seen what is actually happening.

Darrell KSR
12-08-2020, 07:09 PM
Each and every negotiation is different.

Sometimes it's yelling and screaming. Sometimes it's logic and reasoning. Occasionally it's humor and camaraderie. I've done the pleading thing before when it seems appropriate.

Today was quiet reflection. Something other than that would have put her on the defensive to dig in her heels and explain why it wasn't their company's fault (it wasn't). The tactic today was to not put her on the defensive.

I assessed the young lady to whom I was speaking and explained quietly that each and every "solution" she proposed was a bad one, followed by a worse one. Then shut up and made her talk.

She hated it. It got to that uncomfortable stage during the conversation where there was silence, (I was smiling, because I was loving it--although she couldn't see me, of course), and then she'd say something like, "well maybe I can do X." I'd let her keep talking and then she would make it a little better. Every time there was an awkward silence, she filled it. Eventually it got to something I could live with, and she said she'd call back if she could and I quietly told her I'd expect her call.

I feel sorry for her, and I feel sorry for the customer that is likely being inconvenienced tomorrow. But those weren't my issues or concerns.

And she called back, thoroughly defeated and resigned to the fact that she'd be making another apology phone call after she hung up.

I told my wife I would never do that because you make two customers mad, rather than one. The first one won't be fully satisfied, and the second one just as irritated, so that doesn't make sense. But that's what they did. Oh well.

blueboss
12-08-2020, 07:20 PM
I’ve got a leak on the kitchen sink drain line. It appears the pipe has loosened where it goes into a 90. It’s all PVC so it looks to be a pretty easy fix. Materials needed aren’t too expensive, (2) couplings, (1) elbow, 3’ feet of pipe, (1) small can each cleaner and glue. I am going to buy a new pipe cutter. I also might put in a union instead of one of the couplings.

Measure twice cut once, sand/prep, glue, and let sit for few hours... back in business.


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kingcat
12-08-2020, 08:38 PM
Working under a kitchen sink loses it's luster at my age.

Now I'd probably need to cut a hole in the floor and lower myself to eye level.

blueboss
12-08-2020, 08:44 PM
Working under a kitchen sink loses it's luster at my age.

Now I'd probably need to cut a hole in the floor and lower myself to eye level.

I actually get to access it from the basement, and working overhead.


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BigBluePappy
12-11-2020, 05:35 PM
Each and every negotiation is different.

Sometimes it's yelling and screaming. Sometimes it's logic and reasoning. Occasionally it's humor and camaraderie. I've done the pleading thing before when it seems appropriate.

Today was quiet reflection. Something other than that would have put her on the defensive to dig in her heels and explain why it wasn't their company's fault (it wasn't). The tactic today was to not put her on the defensive.

I assessed the young lady to whom I was speaking and explained quietly that each and every "solution" she proposed was a bad one, followed by a worse one. Then shut up and made her talk.

She hated it. It got to that uncomfortable stage during the conversation where there was silence, (I was smiling, because I was loving it--although she couldn't see me, of course), and then she'd say something like, "well maybe I can do X." I'd let her keep talking and then she would make it a little better. Every time there was an awkward silence, she filled it. Eventually it got to something I could live with, and she said she'd call back if she could and I quietly told her I'd expect her call.

I feel sorry for her, and I feel sorry for the customer that is likely being inconvenienced tomorrow. But those weren't my issues or concerns.

And she called back, thoroughly defeated and resigned to the fact that she'd be making another apology phone call after she hung up.

I told my wife I would never do that because you make two customers mad, rather than one. The first one won't be fully satisfied, and the second one just as irritated, so that doesn't make sense. But that's what they did. Oh well.

And, how did the install go?
We got a Bosch for me and the Missus earlier this year and I did the uninstall and then installed it with the help of my son-in-law and we couldn't be happier. Sanitizing cycle, 50db washer that you have to walk over and put your hands on it to see if it is running, and it turned out better than we had hoped for.

Darrell KSR
12-11-2020, 06:56 PM
And, how did the install go?
We got a Bosch for me and the Missus earlier this year and I did the uninstall and then installed it with the help of my son-in-law and we couldn't be happier. Sanitizing cycle, 50db washer that you have to walk over and put your hands on it to see if it is running, and it turned out better than we had hoped for. I wanted a Bosch but the Costco deal was just too good on the Whirlpool. Hopefully it will be fine. Wife loves it. It's a 47db thing, super quiet as well.

Install was 10 minutes. The guy was incredulous that I uninstalled it. Said they charge Costco for uninstalling and installing and I should raise heck that they told me otherwise. He said the only tough part is uninstalling.

Oh well. I thought installing it would be easy, but his 10 minutes would have probably been my 3 hours.

BigBluePappy
12-11-2020, 07:34 PM
I wanted a Bosch but the Costco deal was just too good on the Whirlpool. Hopefully it will be fine. Wife loves it. It's a 47db thing, super quiet as well.

Install was 10 minutes. The guy was incredulous that I uninstalled it. Said they charge Costco for uninstalling and installing and I should raise heck that they told me otherwise. He said the only tough part is uninstalling.

Oh well. I thought installing it would be easy, but his 10 minutes would have probably been my 3 hours.

Dang, 47db, that is in a vacuum! And, methinks you short-sell your mechanical aptitude and abilities ab it too much at times...
Looked at a Whirlpool but the one we found was 51db and they wanted more for that then the Bosch.

CitizenBBN
12-11-2020, 09:21 PM
And, methinks you short-sell your mechanical aptitude and abilities ab it too much at times...

You'd think so, but no, not really. ;)

Darrell KSR
12-11-2020, 09:39 PM
And, methinks you short-sell your mechanical aptitude and abilities ab it too much at times...

Well, unfortunately, no... Seriously.

I just don't get it. I'm not a totally dumb guy, but you'd think so when I get around anything mechanically related.

The best thing going these days YouTube. That literally is the only thing that has allowed me to do anything.

I could give you 40 years of ineptitude just since I've been an adult and you would just shake your head. Even when I am successful, like finally locating the leak down my pillar in the car, it took a couple of months before finding the right YouTube video that showed me some weed eater trimming string and a can of air dust would fix it. And don't get me started on anything electronic related.

bigsky
12-12-2020, 09:59 AM
Well I am a landlord. I do dishwashers, toilets, sinks, disposals, stoves, microwaves, wire up light fixtures, switches, boxes and various electric stuff. Dishwashers are light work except that it’s some under the sink work.