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kingcat
09-12-2020, 04:12 PM
it seems to me that overall the BLM movement is widely misunderstood and has been molded into a political talking point and mode of broad based accusation for many.
I think it's good, no matter what opinion one holds, that the BLM movement be understood for what it actually is. No offense to either side of the debate but attempting to understand why and where there are differences is rather important, and required imo.

The movement/slogan itself hails from protests of the 2012 fatal shooting of Trayvon Martin. Also at that time three radical Black organizers started an organization named "Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation" It also now operates a website called blacklivesmatter.com which some consider taking advantage of the broader movement to garner support.
There is also a separate organization named “Black Lives Matter Foundation, based in Santa Clarita, California which claims no affiliation with the aforementioned although that is thoroughly debatable.

A second organization that functions as something of a hub for official Black Lives Matter organizing is the "Movement for Black Lives"
This group also operates under a fiscal sponsorship arrangement as a project of the Alliance for Global Justice. It describes itself as “a collective of more than 50 organizations,” one of which is the more radical "Black Lives Matter Network,”
There are no universal meetings. There is no centralized, national organization called Black Lives Matter. And it is inclusive to differing political agendas, making no such political distinctions. If a republican organization sympathetic to the overall cause wanted to operate under their umbrella I'm sure they could, or maybe they already do.

Such ambiguity causes confusion when decentralized movements are conflated with actual existing legal entities. It is almost certain that the huge percentage of peaceful protesters are not affiliated in any way with these organizations. But when attacking the Black Lives Matter movement it is rather easy to point to any one of the organizations or subsequent branches which operate independently.
Especially since some of those entities introduce more radical views to the movement for self benefit, and shelter more contentious views among the larger movement.
Often going unchecked and usually unnoticed by the average participant. And certainly the unaffiliated majority.

But there is no doubt that the term Black Lives Matter is a heartfelt slogan adopted from the beginning by not only concerned citizens, but also a banner for those with varying and/or extreme agendas.

Yet, we would be wise to remember that for the huge majority of people protesting, the term is a statement and not a banner tied to a particular organization, of which all came after the fact. And understand it is most often meant as a heartfelt statement.

Lumping all under one of those "non profit" banners, plays into the hands of the extremists and is not fair to the genuinely concerned. As well as being all too convenient for those detractors who might also have an extreme agenda.

So I would hope to be be careful before we judge either side too harshly on any particular matter, and take every opinion into careful consideration. There is plenty of good intention on either side..and bad intent present with both.

Just a thought.

dan_bgblue
09-12-2020, 05:50 PM
I estimate that I have seen a few hundred signs being waved by protestors, a few more hundred news organization headlines, several hundred TShirts and hooded sweatshirts displaying the words BLACK LIVES MATTER, and none of those examples have hinted at any other organization or sister outfit having a dog in this hunt. I wonder why that is?

KentuckyWildcat
09-12-2020, 06:03 PM
it seems to me that overall the BLM movement is widely misunderstood and has been molded into a political talking point and mode of broad based accusation for many.
I think it's good, no matter what opinion one holds, that the BLM movement be understood for what it actually is. No offense to either side of the debate but attempting to understand why and where there are differences is rather important, and required imo.

Been saying this all along. People are arguing and don't even know what they are fighting about.

Doc
09-12-2020, 06:28 PM
No misunderstanding from me


https://youtu.be/PdAL_-kapQY

The KKK started as a social group. Like BLM, it became an organization that advocates murder. NEVER expect any sympathy from me to any organization that calls for killing anybody...be it the KKK or BLM

kingcat
09-12-2020, 07:22 PM
I estimate that I have seen a few hundred signs being waved by protestors, a few more hundred news organization headlines, several hundred TShirts and hooded sweatshirts displaying the words BLACK LIVES MATTER, and none of those examples have hinted at any other organization or sister outfit having a dog in this hunt. I wonder why that is?

That's a good question Dan. I cant answer, other than to state that I have always believed Cal, Stoops, and the staff as well as all our kids were not supporting anything other than the Black lives that concerned them, by using a common slogan. One that another related entity also adopted as their unofficial title.

No doubt a good number of members of each organization are involved in protests also. But is it easier to believe everyone including almost all of to college, high school and professional sports as well as America in general are supporting a radical "terrorist" group, or in fact the above?

kingcat
09-12-2020, 07:23 PM
At least read what I stated with an open mind.

kingcat
09-12-2020, 07:30 PM
No misunderstanding from me


https://youtu.be/PdAL_-kapQY

The KKK started as a social group. Like BLM, it became an organization that advocates murder. NEVER expect any sympathy from me to any organization that calls for killing anybody...be it the KKK or BLM

I can agree with that. As would Cal, Stoops, our staff and players as well as most every protester on the streets of America. Black lives matter is not an organization of any kind. It is a movement.. There is an organization of another name (Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation) that operates a website called blacklivesmatter.com. because they secured that .com before anyone else did.. And at least fifty other related but separate organizations.

kingcat
09-12-2020, 07:44 PM
https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-organizational-structure-of-black-lives-matter/

KeithKSR
09-12-2020, 07:49 PM
I can agree with that. As would Cal, Stoops, our staff and players as well as most every protester on the streets of America. Black lives matter is not an organization of any kind. It is a movement.. There is an organization of another name (Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation) that operates a website called blacklivesmatter.com. because they secured that .com before anyone else did..

It is both an organization and a movement. Some are involved with one or the other, some are involved with each. The organization is Marxist.

Catonahottinroof
09-12-2020, 07:53 PM
Marxism is in BLM’s roots.....

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

kingcat
09-12-2020, 08:08 PM
Marxism is in BLM’s roots.....

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-co-founder-describes-herself-as-trained-marxist/

You refer to “Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.” also referred to as BLM Global Network Foundation

Catonahottinroof
09-12-2020, 08:23 PM
Semantics Kingcat......

kingcat
09-12-2020, 08:43 PM
No, the fact of the matter is that most who march peacefully saying Black lives matter are fine people and fine Americans holding no malice towards any individual, not holding hate, contempt, and a cultured mistrust in their heart towards them. That includes the people I listed above.

It is not semantics, but apparently some throwing the entire baby out with the bath water to fit a political talking point.

Why else not address the content of what I wrote and the site I linked? Perhaps some either refused to read, or failed to comprehend what was said. Preferring instead to stick with their handy dandy talking points..

There should have been no argument in this thread. Maybe a differing evaluation of the facts presented but no argument.

CitizenBBN
09-12-2020, 08:47 PM
You refer to “Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation, Inc.” also referred to as BLM Global Network Foundation

The problem is that the movement, which I agree is supported by a lot of people with good intentions who do not support Marxism or the Nation of Islam etc. roots, are giving them great political power.

Look at the results of this in policy. All of the focus is on limiting law enforcement, with absolutely no focus on the problems that are factually far greater plagues on minority communities.

Who have you seen demanding one of the two keys to the economic advancement of any person or group: education and jobs? Those are the two keys. that is how several other minority groups, nearly dozens, are now per capita better off than traditional "WASPS". b/c they focused heavily on education and jobs in their communities.

Minorities in Chicago probably have had bad experiences with the police, I'm sure that's the case, but they also have 12-15 people killed and dozens more wounded every weekend in gang violence. yet the call is for LESS policing? seriously? That is going to improve those neighborhoods? Heck, the cops won't go there now after dark.

So while it's true many who support "Black Lives Matter" do so for goals I would agree with completely, such as equality for all, the policy outcome I fear will have almost nothing to do with improving the lives of minorities, or creating more equality, and certainly not creating more unity.

I would rather such a movement be born in the ideals of Dr. King, who would never have condoned the violence, the looting, or the other usurpations we are seeing including rich white kids rioting in the name of causes and then going back to their Hamptons estates.

But I see very little of Dr. King in the current movement as it inherently is based in identity politics that is inherently divisive. Dr. King was about finding common ground and understanding and building those relationships, and this seems to be focused very little on those things. It is far more Malcolm X than Dr. King.

catmanjack
09-12-2020, 08:59 PM
I am not confused and understand fully what BLM represents.
When you support something you should fully understand what you are supporting so shame on those that do not.

Doc
09-12-2020, 09:04 PM
Guess we will disagee. For me, people chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry like bacon" are not good people. And if you associate with those type of people, you are either ignorant of what they want or you are not a good person

catmanjack
09-12-2020, 09:11 PM
BLM does not have nor care for the best of any American, maybe that is the biggest misconception.

Catonahottinroof
09-12-2020, 10:01 PM
This argument that is being presented is similar to the ones socialists presented when The Soviet Union failed, when the Eastern Bloc failed, Venezuela, or any government that has controlled the means of production has failed, or destined to fail That’s not true socialism....
Well, you are painting a picture of what BLM is from what it is you discern BLM....like it’s not “true BLM”
The portion of BLM that is very well funded is entirely run by those with a Marxist background. Something the leaders won’t deny, but proudly wear on their sleeves. That is who sets the agenda, talking points etc...

kingcat
09-12-2020, 10:14 PM
Some very good thoughts Citizen, and a slightly different perspective. But I'd submit that what is giving them power is the desire to make them the focal point so that all become culpable. The danger in believing the protests should be halted due to the violence, gives power to the opposition to stop any such exercise and diminishes our constitutional rights.
Case in point, https://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/police-hells-angel-sparked-minneapolis-riots-floyd-72041173

Still, I see your point and agree those are the sticking points and road blocks that must be addressed. But the average man and woman out on the street, who most believe represent the huge majority, are not concerned with those organizational things and have what they consider a much bigger task at hand. Limiting those who would endanger their lives and the lives of their family and friends. And raising awareness.

Agree with them or not, their desire to do so is understandable and the methods afforded them constitutional.

kingcat
09-12-2020, 10:44 PM
This argument that is being presented is similar to the ones socialists presented when The Soviet Union failed, when the Eastern Bloc failed, Venezuela, or any government that has controlled the means of production has failed, or destined to fail That’s not true socialism....
Well, you are painting a picture of what BLM is from what it is you discern BLM....like it’s not “true BLM”
The portion of BLM that is very well funded is entirely run by those with a Marxist background. Something the leaders won’t deny, but proudly wear on their sleeves. That is who sets the agenda, talking points etc...

Only because those are the very voices the extreme opposition wants to publicize and give the loudest voice. And every other voice is put down and belittled because of it by those same individuals. But truth will win out even though some continue to refuse to acknowledge the extreme majority out in the streets.

Folks here have trashed the UK athletic programs, degraded the staffs, and slung insults at our young men. The athletic programs at the University many here once supported. Not once paying attention to what they as individuals had to say but with their minds already made up.
But there are multiple millions marching in support of the movement and a hundred million who applaud their effort. And only a small percentage represented by those entities you actually prefer to limit the discussion to.

Because admitting anything else changes the narrative. And acknowledging the facts on the Black lives matter movement I posted above would serve to do the same. And the
thought of doing that angers some people.

EDIT:
Respectfully and despite what Chuck said about MLK, i think you can stay within our borders to find the necessary similarities. It is eerily reminiscent of the civil rights movement in many ways, as is the response to it.

"A livestreamed video two days later, on May 27, showed “Umbrella Man” walking along the front of an AutoZone store and breaking out the windows with a sledgehammer. Some protesters confronted the man and asked him to stop.

Before that, the man, who was carrying a black umbrella, spray painted “free (expletive) for everyone zone” on the front doors, police said. The AutoZone fire was the first that firefighters responded to during the civil unrest, Assistant Minneapolis Fire Chief Bryan Tyner said Tuesday.

In the affidavit, Christensen wrote that she watched “innumerable hours” of videos on social media platforms trying to identify the suspect with no luck. Finally a tipster emailed the Minneapolis Police Department identifying the man as a member of the Hell’s Angels biker gang who “wanted to sow discord and racial unrest by breaking out the windows and writing what he did on the double red doors,” according to the affidavit.

"An investigation found that the man was also an associate of the Aryan Cowboy Brotherhood, a white supremacist prison and street gang based mainly in Minnesota and Kentucky. Several of its members were present in Stillwater, in eastern Minnesota, late last month when a Muslim woman was confronted by a group of men wearing white supremacist garb."

dan_bgblue
09-13-2020, 07:10 AM
It appears to me that the part of BLM that claims to be peaceful and not a Marxist revolutionary group would come out of the shadows and announce who they are, what they stand for, and disassociate their group from the others that are giving their efforts to effect social change a bad name.

A black man running for a house seat in Utah apparently does not know how to differentiate among the various BLM groups, what they stand for, who their leaders are, and what their methods of protest are.

Linkage (https://www.foxnews.com/politics/burgess-owens-a-blm-critic-defends-utah-jazz-coach-over-donation-scrutiny)

Darryl
09-13-2020, 07:15 AM
Disgraceful that anyone can take the time to post their support for these thugs:

https://nypost.com/2020/06/25/blm-leader-if-change-doesnt-happen-we-will-burn-down-this-system/

Darryl

UKHistory
09-13-2020, 08:15 AM
Guess we will disagee. For me, people chanting "Pigs in a blanket, fry like bacon" are not good people. And if you associate with those type of people, you are either ignorant of what they want or you are not a good person

That chant is a threat. It promotes violence. I have concerns of police brutality and excessive force. That chant is dangerous. You are not peacefully protesting if you chant that or are violent. That chant invites violence.

UKHistory
09-13-2020, 08:32 AM
At least read what I stated with an open mind.

I think you make an accurate statement. Many are marching for equal treatment under the law. Many who chant the BLM slogan don’t know or fully understand it is a larger movement.

That lack of awareness though is dangerous

Darryl
09-13-2020, 09:27 AM
I will support anyone that comes out and says they are in favor of all people getting equal treatment under the law.

Anyone that supports the group Black Lives Matter can go to Hell. Calipari is nothing to me now but a spineless jellyfish.

I’m sure he cares not at all; and neither do I

Darryl

KeithKSR
09-13-2020, 09:36 AM
I think you make an accurate statement. Many are marching for equal treatment under the law. Many who chant the BLM slogan don’t know or fully understand it is a larger movement.

That lack of awareness though is dangerous

That is for sure. Many have no idea that BLM endorses the destruction of our government system in favor of installing Marxism.

Catonahottinroof
09-13-2020, 09:55 AM
Exactly. The groundswell of support and donations have went to the group that espouses that very idea.

That is for sure. Many have no idea that BLM endorses the destruction of our government system in favor of installing Marxism.

catmanjack
09-13-2020, 10:02 AM
Sorry to say but young white adults ( mainly young white girls) are very easily influenced and that is how this Domestic terrorist group has gained so much attention.

catmanjack
09-13-2020, 10:24 AM
There is a very lazy give me everything attitude going on with the young white kids, lack of respect and wanting to work hard mentality.

Darryl
09-13-2020, 10:48 AM
BLM certainly deserve to be defended by these liberals:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727929/Disgusting-scenes-outside-LA-hospital-protesters-taunt-cops-shot-deputies-inside.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-hospital-los-angeles-sheriffs-deputies-ambushed

Darryl

kingcat
09-13-2020, 11:46 AM
I support the majority who are saying Black lives matter. Those who endure racial profiling and other forms of bias and racism in ways others seldom have endured. The things that, every coach from across this country especially, have pointed out they see and deal with almost daily with the young men placed under their watch.
They and those like them are the clear majority who are protesting and unaffiliated with the more radical organized elements of that movement.
In fact, I have pointed out something factual about the make up of the BLM movement.

So you can be angry all you want and hurl vitriol and insults all around. But refusing to acknowledge that there are some fine Americans out there performing what they see as their civic duty, and instead lump them all into an organization with views no one has voiced support for in this thread....should give everyone pause and reason for self reflection.

This time (no smiley faces), I am also very disappointed.

KeithKSR
09-13-2020, 12:15 PM
I support the majority who are saying Black lives matter. Those who endure racial profiling and other forms of bias and racism in ways others seldom have endured. The things that, every coach from across this country especially, have pointed out they see and deal with almost daily with the young men placed under their watch.
They and those like them are the clear majority who are protesting and unaffiliated with the more radical organized elements of that movement.
In fact, I have pointed out something factual about the make up of the BLM movement.

So you can be angry all you want and hurl vitriol and insults all around. But refusing to acknowledge that there are some fine Americans out there performing what they see as their civic duty, and instead lump them all into an organization with views no one has voiced support for in this thread....should give everyone pause and reason for self reflection.

This time (no smiley faces), I am also very disappointed.

More often than not those they are protesting for in their demonstrations turn out to be criminals.

kingcat
09-13-2020, 12:42 PM
I will support anyone that comes out and says they are in favor of all people getting equal treatment under the law.

Anyone that supports the group Black Lives Matter can go to Hell. Calipari is nothing to me now but a spineless jellyfish.

I’m sure he cares not at all; and neither do I

Darryl

I'd be curious how many participating in this thread will give an amen to you.

Of course everyone supports equal treatment under the law. That is exactly what the majority are standing for.
But this thread made a point that is not being addressed. It has instead become a hate thread void of any rational dialogue about the subject. Why is that? The facts say you cannot throw the entire movement under the banner of one organization among many. 50 plus as I read it.
And that many protesters are not affiliated nor support any particular organization. And probably the huge majority.

That was the discussion. And for the life of me I cannot see why that makes folks so angry.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-organizational-structure-of-black-lives-matter/

kingcat
09-13-2020, 12:44 PM
More often than not those they are protesting for in their demonstrations turn out to be criminals.

In some cases it appears. In others they are only portrayed as such by some. But even suspected criminals have rights that can be violated.
Yet still, that is not what this thread was about.

Those are but the headlines to the protests.
There is a much broader cause and one which our coaches at UK and elsewhere have pointed out. That which they have seen and dealt with numerous times in their professions. And that they acknowledge from first hand experience as it effects the young people under their care.

Surely some consideration should be given those folks in light of the facts I presented. Politics aside.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-organizational-structure-of-black-lives-matter/

KeithKSR
09-13-2020, 01:00 PM
In some cases it appears. In others they are only portrayed as such by some. But even suspected criminals have rights that can be violated.
Yet still, that is not what this thread was about.

Those are but the headlines to the protests.
There is a much broader cause and one which our coaches at UK and elsewhere have pointed out. That which they have seen and dealt with numerous times in their professions. And that they acknowledge from first hand experience as it effects the young people under their care.

Surely some consideration should be given those folks in light of the facts I presented. Politics aside.

https://capitalresearch.org/article/the-organizational-structure-of-black-lives-matter/

The cause is a manipulated myth. If they really thought black lives mattered they would address the murder rate among blacks in the big cities run by Democrats. These people are being used to further the agenda of Marxists.

kingcat
09-13-2020, 01:22 PM
That is only politicizing the subject Keith. And is itself a manipulated myth.

What answer do you think you would get from a player or student at UK or the average person on the street? We both know such political talking points would be foreign to them, and they would answer that they themselves have dealt with problems in the real world that are being addressed.

My only point in this thread is that the factual data supports what I am saying. Black lives matter is a personal statement to the huge majority of protesters and not the loosely run organization referred to by their detractors. Nor any one of the other organizations.
Do they have undue influence? Probably so but the desire to find any negatives and the write the big story or further a political agenda contributes greatly to that.

Criticize the one by all means, but folks should understand exactly who and what they are criticizing. If it's not worth the effort, it seems to be an ingenuine, political or racially motivated concern to me.

And I had no idea the thread (not your post) would take such a turn as it did. It seems people are itching for confrontation.
Amazing.

Catonahottinroof
09-13-2020, 02:37 PM
Ludwig von Mises deemed such folks useful idiots in support of the greater cause. It’s playing out in this instance.

kingcat
09-13-2020, 03:32 PM
Thanks for admitting that.. ;)

KentuckyWildcat
09-13-2020, 04:17 PM
Those supporting BLM with good intentions need to start a new movement to separate themselves from what BLM has become IMO

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kingcat
09-13-2020, 04:29 PM
Those supporting BLM with good intentions need to start a new movement to separate themselves from what BLM has become IMO

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Or at least seek to clarify the distinction. Which is all I have tried to do here.
But in any situation like this support from all directions is usually welcomed and never refused. Black lives matter is the slogan used since 2012 by peaceful protesters abdicating awareness and change to do with law enforcement. Whether right or wrong that's what it is. The organization we are discussing delves into Black LGBT protests and many other issues.

Would it be received similarly is the question. But make no mistake, many do not want it separate. Especially the news worthy and the news media.

The movement Black lives matter was originally an organized protest while the organization by the three ladies in question formed off of that event. And it is officially of another name.
The catch is that they purchased the blacklivesmatter.com and are mistakenly assumed to own and fly that banner as a slogan. That is convenient for both them and those who seek to achieve their own unique political advantage in opposition.

We should ourselves be willing make that distinction imo. At least to some extent if our concerns are genuine.

kingcat
09-13-2020, 05:40 PM
And before I get cast in the melting pot by everyone, here is my post in a Larry Vaught thread on FB from a day or so ago with reference to changing the Rupp arena name. The response is to a Black gentleman fwiw.

First, I support our young men and the many protesters across the country. Racism certainly exists and is a continuing plague across America and the world. But, I still have not heard what Coach Rupp did that the rest of the college sports world did not. Not to mention all other such organizations across the nation. Will every coach who coached all white or all black athletic programs prior to desegregation, be held to this standard? Judged not on their actions but supposed inaction and despite knowing their personal views on racial issues? Or will some accept a scape goat or two and forsake trying to actually change the hearts and minds of their fellow Americans? And there were also predominantly Black colleges which now accept people of any race; yet before the Civil Rights movement accepted only Black students. How does that differ exactly if the coach at such a program did not stand up for desegregation in the face of social beliefs in that era, and his own faculty and fanbase? And "they" can a treacherous and misunderstood word by the way..

And so I dont agree with many things associated with the BLM movement. But I understand no one is certain of what change needs to come about which leaves folks grasping at straws. You cant change a heart or a mind by protest, but maybe you can plant a seed of serious contemplation.

catmanjack
09-13-2020, 06:24 PM
All of these current riots not protest have come about because a known criminal decided he did not want to ever obey the law and actions were taken against this known criminal. Were is the racism in these events? how were these individuals hunted down as some have mentioned?

The root of the issue that no one wants to discuss is the lack of father figures in the homes, poor role models and the continued lack of education that continues to place these individuals behind not racism or repression!
I will never buy that.
This is America get up and work for what you want and stop asking for things to be given.

KeithKSR
09-13-2020, 06:37 PM
Or at least seek to clarify the distinction. Which is all I have tried to do here.
But in any situation like this support from all directions is usually welcomed and never refused. Black lives matter is the slogan used since 2012 by peaceful protesters abdicating awareness and change to do with law enforcement. Whether right or wrong that's what it is. The organization we are discussing delves into Black LGBT protests and many other issues.

Would it be received similarly is the question. But make no mistake, many do not want it separate. Especially the news worthy and the news media.

The movement Black lives matter was originally an organized protest while the organization by the three ladies in question formed off of that event. And it is officially of another name.
The catch is that they purchased the blacklivesmatter.com and are mistakenly assumed to own and fly that banner as a slogan. That is convenient for both them and those who seek to achieve their own unique political advantage in opposition.

We should ourselves be willing make that distinction imo. At least to some extent if our concerns are genuine.

Those protestors have followed the Marxists down this path, pushed by the false media narrative that police are hunting black Americans.

Darryl
09-13-2020, 06:44 PM
All of these current riots not protest have come about because a known criminal decided he did not want to ever obey the law and actions were taken against this known criminal. Were is the racism in these events? how were these individuals hunted down as some have mentioned?

The root of the issue that no one wants to discuss is the lack of father figures in the homes, poor role models and the continued lack of education that continues to place these individuals behind not racism or repression!
I will never buy that.
This is America get up and work for what you want and stop asking for things to be given.

Excellent post. The vast majority of the success people enjoy in life is a direct result of their own actions/effort

Darryl

StuBleedsBlue2
09-13-2020, 07:14 PM
That was the discussion. And for the life of me I cannot see why that makes folks so angry.

..........


And I had no idea the thread (not your post) would take such a turn as it did. It seems people are itching for confrontation.
Amazing.


First, I applaud you for trying to have an honest dialogue. 2nd, rational people who actually support movements towards equality that the statement 'Black Lives Matter' absolutely understand the differences.

Your two comments.

I'm not surprised at all of why that makes people angry. The thing that has boggled my mind for my entire life has been why would ANY person want to discriminate against any person that is not like them? A big reason why people are angry is because equality is a threat to the only systems that people understand. They think that freedoms and equality are a zero sum game. No one will ever admit this, because they can't recognize it in themselves. It is easier to blame anything and everything than to get to the root of the problems.

Your second point, when I saw the title of the thread and started reading it, it is EXACTLY how I thought it would turn out.

StuBleedsBlue2
09-13-2020, 07:20 PM
Excellent post. The vast majority of the success people enjoy in life is a direct result of their own actions/effort

Darryl

Completely disagree. It starts with environment. Available opportunities are another. There are SO many people that work hard, make good decisions and do everything right that have no opportunities or very limited ones to be able to enjoy life like so many other people do. THAT is absolutely by design.

KentuckyWildcat
09-13-2020, 09:19 PM
Completely disagree. It starts with environment. Available opportunities are another. There are SO many people that work hard, make good decisions and do everything right that have no opportunities or very limited ones to be able to enjoy life like so many other people do. THAT is absolutely by design.Agree that environment can be a contributing factor. But if Darryl is completely wrong then please explain the difference between myself and my cousins. We grew up on the same farm with nearly identical environments. I have a decent career, they can't keep a fast food job.

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catmanjack
09-13-2020, 10:56 PM
I would say you don’t fit the agenda or narrative.

Agree that environment can be a contributing factor. But if Daryl is completely wrong then please explain the difference between myself and my cousins. We grew up on the same the same farm with nearly identical environments. I have a decent career, they can't keep a fast food job.

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catmanjack
09-14-2020, 09:41 PM
It was good to see the sheriff call lebron out after this happened.


BLM certainly deserve to be defended by these liberals:

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-8727929/Disgusting-scenes-outside-LA-hospital-protesters-taunt-cops-shot-deputies-inside.html

https://www.foxnews.com/us/protesters-hospital-los-angeles-sheriffs-deputies-ambushed

Darryl

CitizenBBN
09-17-2020, 06:13 PM
Ludwig von Mises deemed such folks useful idiots in support of the greater cause. It’s playing out in this instance.

The Chinese Communists would agree:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/group-black-lives-matter-founder-is-fiscally-sponsored-project-china-report

here's one BLM organization that is funded at least in part by the Chinese.

(BTW, the Russians aren't a big threat, but the Chinese are a massive threat. The Russians lack the economic resources to do much of anything, but the Chinese are fully capable of crippling the US over time.)