It would be a disaster for us to have to choose between Sanders and Trump

[dan_bgblue]

Opinion piece from CNN (https://www.cnn.com/2020/02/28/opinions/sanders-versus-trump-disaster-dent/index.html)

[CitizenBBN]

Hard to tell what he thinks about Trump from that piece. :)

[Doc]

Those who support Trump (45%) disagree. And if the democratic party nominates Sanders, a LARGE percentage will cross lines based not on Trump but on the economy and Foreign policy. Even if that is 10%, that puts him on an easy path to reelection

As fornthe opinion writer, he has already been shown to be a poor soothesayer. He state Klobecher and Booty-judge would never drop out and support one candidate. Already happened

[CitizenBBN]

Yep, he doesn't know much. The reality is those campaigns depend on money and the DNC has done their job to work the donors to get everyone in line, and of course donors naturally dry up as candidates fall behind anyway.

Pocahontas will be out by the end of the week I imagine. She'll be the one who least wants to quit, she may try to get some delegates and take them to the convention to cut a deal for a VP or something, but I think after today that won't be an option and she'll drop out.

But of course they can't lean on anyone to get Bloomberg out, and he intends on collecting delegates today and taking them to the convention and try to broker a deal. He all but said so yesterday b/c he knows he wont' win outright either at this point.

[bigsky]

Rock bottom. But then, 23 trillion debt, do nothing congress, etc.

[CitizenBBN]

Just a reflection of the massive frustration the voters feel with establishment and Washington elites. They are flailing for ways to address what they know is a broken, corrupt system that isn't grounded in their values or views, right or left, but is just out to stay in power.

Democrats promise to help the poor and needy but have done nothing but enslave them with 60 years of bureaucracy and victim mentality, and the GOP promises fiscal conservatism and then spends like drunk sailors. They're out for themselves, not the average American nor are they really pursuing their party platform ideology. Whatever works to stay in power is their only platform.

So they turn to people who promise to drain the swamp. Trump his way on the right, Bernie his way on the left, but the same basic promise, to come in and clean house.

OF course the two directions couldn't be farther apart, and that reflects the obvious split in ideology we're seeing in the country.

[CitizenBBN]

But personally I hope that's the matchup we see.

IMO we should have a national referendum. Do we still believe in the goals of the nation's founding or not? Is this about individual liberty or are we now about relative equality of outcomes? Is this about freedom or social justice?

Let's pick. b/c if it's about the former I'm staying and if it's about the latter the rest of us need to go find another nation to build while this one rots.

We won't get that, but on ideology a Sanders/Trump election isn't far off. The personalities of course will totally overshadow that for most people, but you can't get much more contrast than pro-business Trump and nationalize-business Sanders on the economic side at least.

[ukpumacat]

I think its going to be Biden and Trump (as I posted in the other thread). And its not because of any smoke filled Democratic Establishment rooms. I think The Dems are learning from the Never-Trumpers in 2016 who simply would not drop out and it allowed Trump to win the nomination. Not just Dem candidates. Democratic voters.
Biden would not be my first choice. But he is the best choice now. And that is my opinion. And it will be shared by millions of other voters I believe. And it will start tonight. He is going to have a much better night than people think. And it won't be because of any conspiracy against Bernie. It will be because Dems don't want to lose to Trump and they don't think Bernie can beat him.

The Dem establishment didn't save Biden. Black voters in South Carolina did. And tonight, Black Southern Democrats will do their part. All imo.

[UKHistory]

It is about beating trump.

Just as trump was not a republican neither is Bernie a Democrat. A far left socialist will motivate trumps base and force middle of the road independents right

Biden for all his flaws is more stable and centrist. This will at worst mitigate the zeal of the right.

He isn’t Hilary who was campaigned against for 20 years before she ran.

We need to gouge our which polices most helped the economy and keep those while toning down the crazy and not let the Russians in the oval as much.

[CitizenBBN]

biden won't be for any of the policies that helped our economy the last 3 years, and has said so.

As for the foreign influence, Come on. There was more Russian influence under Obama with Hillary as SoS, Biden's son is clearly on the take from foreign influence, the Clintons have raked in 100s of millions from foreign governments and as a matter of policy let the Russians into our uranium reserves and transferred advanced tech from Silicon Valley, and you guys think Trump is the secret agent only b/c his opposition screams it with no evidence whatsoever.

It's about hating Trump for those of you who hate him, and those on social media. You'll find that there really isn't much more if any more hate than there was when he won the election the last time, and that people in the middle of this country don't hate him like you do. Lots of them love him, and even those who don't like him don't hate him with the visceral passion you see from some Hollywood person.

His negatives are very high, but Biden has yet to be roughed up good too, and there's plenty to hang on him. His fundamental lack of intelligence and questionable mental capacity would seem to be a good starting point. Will be easy to make some campaign ads just showing his insane statements back to back to back and let them speak for themselves.

And bernie is a democrat, at least for about 1/3rd or so of Democrats based on the results. They sure voted for him. If Trump is a Republican, and he is given the election, then Bernie is a Democrat.