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jazyd
08-26-2012, 12:02 AM
I went to the movie 2016 about Obama and his goal in life tonight. It was interesting to say the least, well documented and of course the main jest of it is the authors opinion. But you can see his world views once you see the writings of his father and his fathers activities and those that have 'mentored' Obama through his growing up. And his 'mentors' certainly do have the best interests of America in their hearts. They are communists, terrorists, anti Israel haters.

Two keys for me were quotes from something his father wrote and also near the end when the author has the former comptroller of the USA talking about where we are heading financially as a country.

I would recommend anyone see it. It didn't change my opinion of Obama, it just reinforced it strongly.

ukblue
08-26-2012, 01:12 PM
Never doubted who he was and is. Have already read his books and a couple of others that others have wrote about him. A long admired view of socialism and the "European system ". Where most of the EU have a socialist form of government. Most of them are broke and Obama has the US in about the same shape.

CitizenBBN
08-26-2012, 04:04 PM
I have little doubt what he is, yet I understand why many don't see him as extremist as I see him. A large part of it is that the rhetoric used against every candidate on both sides has become so overdone that the words lose meaning.

Part of it is we really dont' have nearly the extremes of other nation's political parties so we tend to assume no one from either party is that extreme. Obama is that extreme, not in his policies incrementally but in his philosophy and ideology, and that is worse because it means incrementally those policies are working towards a goal that is in my view deeply anti-American. At least the definition of America to which I adhere.

This nation was built by those escaping the ideologies he embraces. He's a European socialist, a true socialist in Euro terms, not "Clinton is a socialist b/c he vetoed welfare reform" like the word has been used in the past.

He fundamentally does not believe in free enterprise, the power of entrepreneurship or self reliance and rugged individualism. Not like some typical liberal, but at a fundamental level he sees them as wrong and unfair. He takes the European view that those are all just euphamisms for the capitalist system, a system that must be severel restrained and harnessed to further the broader goals of society. Free enterprise is to be tolerated only in so much as it provides the economic base to further the goals of society, which have nothing to do with individual economic success or liberty but with the far more mundane notions of economic quality of life for all.

"You didn't build that" should have cost him the election already, but people don't really believe a US President or even a candidate for US President could be so far out of step with the basic American vision. He can't possibly be a true democratic socialist like in France or Spain or Italy, and those who say he is are the extremists.

Sadly no. Lots of extreme liberals in this nation are driven by guilt or some other motivation, but Obama is smart and consistent and is not driven by such things. He has an ideology, not just a reactive "we need to help people" view, and his ideology is vastly different from the one i believe this nation was meant to pursue.

He sees America in international terms and measures it by international measures. I see America as unique in the world and not only am I unapologetic that we are so different in so many fundamental ways, good and bad, I am proud of it and want it to continue. If I wanted to live in Europe I'd move.

jazyd
08-26-2012, 09:34 PM
One interesting point was how Obama wants to drive us to be like Europe, and to ahve government control everything and to continue to raise taxes as high as he can and yet countries like China and others in that hemisphere are going more in the way of the real America, capitalism, business, growth, and while we are floundering in debt and our economy is stagnant, those countries that are acting more like we used to are vibrant in their growth.

Obama has a well oiled machine around him, lead by his money father Soros who wants the US destroyed, and yet even those around him in his campaign who really aren't bad people do not understand where he is coming from and where he truly wants America to go. They are blinded by their liberal ideas w/o realizing just how extreme Obama truly is.

badrose
08-27-2012, 11:46 AM
Public education, Mainstream Media (nothing mainstream about it, politically-speaking), the NAACP, mega corporations, etc. are all on board with where Obama wants to take us. Too many obvious words and actions should have been wake-up calls and were not. I don't think enough know what the end results will be, but it doesn't take a genius to figure it out. The free rides will eventually end, as well as many of our personal freedoms.

TonyRay
08-27-2012, 06:06 PM
Badrose, did you mean "Cool is a rule"?

badrose
08-27-2012, 07:21 PM
Badrose, did you mean "Cool is a rule"?

Back in the '80s a lot of folks used the word "bad" to mean, cool. Huey Lewis & the News had a song that had my signature in the lyrics. Basically, they were saying that, as a rule, bad meant cool, but sometimes it meant bad.

OK, I just looked up the lyrics and it appears that I was wrong. In the two places I looked they used "is" instead of "as." That doesn't make sense to me so we'll just say it's my take on it. Can someone enlighten me?

TonyRay
08-27-2012, 07:34 PM
I always thought it said "Cool is a rule".

TonyRay
08-27-2012, 07:38 PM
BTW, big Huey Lewis and the news fan, saw them in concert in the 80's!

ukblue
08-27-2012, 07:41 PM
Citizen, one has to respect the European socialist a little. They at least run as socialist in the light of the day and not as progressives as the socialist in this country do. Obama has shown his true feeling about capitalism and free enterprise. He sold hope and change his first go around, we had better hope there is a change at the Presidency.

TonyRay
08-27-2012, 07:41 PM
Oh, thanks for the review, would like to see the movie and it would probably shock me and I am already scared of his policies.

badrose
08-27-2012, 07:42 PM
I always thought it said "Cool is a rule".

Apparently you were right. There's some history of that phrase and Huey borrowed from that.

jazyd
08-27-2012, 09:09 PM
Tony it won't shock you but it will solidify how you feel about him and explain exactly why he is like he is and where he intends on taking this country. His mentors are what is shocking and the fact that they are allowed to teach in our Universities.



Oh, thanks for the review, would like to see the movie and it would probably shock me and I am already scared of his policies.