CitizenBBN
12-19-2012, 07:54 PM
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/12/19/ex-atf-official-gun-ends-up-at-mexican-cartel-shootout-that-killed-beauty-queen/
#2 guy in Phoenix ATF in 2010 (during F&F) bought a military/LE grade handgun (FN Five- Seven) at a Phoenix store. The gun was just found in a Sinaloa/Mexican military shootout.
4473 requires a home address. on his 2 purchases he used the ATF office address with a made up apartment number, on the other the address of a strip mall. Both fraudulent, and do you think a senior ATF agent may know which address to use?
The gun showed up at this shooting along with another weapon from F&F traced to a guy who bought more than 600 guns from the F&F operation and was a primary target. An agent involved in F&F has his personal weapon show up at a cartel crime scene with another gun from the F&F operation?
From the story:
Gillett's gun was found in Sinaloa after a gun battle that killed Mexican beauty queen Maria Susana Gamez. Another weapon found at the crime scene was traced to a Uriel Patino, who illegally bought more than 600 guns and is a main suspect in the controversial Operation Fast and Furious run out of the Phoenix office of the ATF.
" That would raise the question of the extent to which that person might be involved in the gun trafficking that was going on and profiting from it. ... These are legitimate questions."
Gillett didn't respond to a request to comment for this story, though he has confirmed in other news interviews that he bought the gun, saying he later sold it on the Internet.
just to be clear, the "internet" doesn't wash this paper trail away. To sell over the internet he has to either sell to an individual in person or ship it to through a dealer to that buyer's dealer, both of them keeping records of who sold and bought the gun. If he's telling the truth it should be a simple act to trace the gun from him to the next buyer and find out more about how it got to the sinaloa cartel. "Sold it on the internet" isn't like "dropped it off the boat by accident", but what a convenient story for him to have.
The ATF's operation, whether tied to the White House or not, has handed out more guns that have killed more children than all these lunatics combined and now we find an agent's personal gun interwoven in this?
when we do our "common sense gun control" can we start with not handing cartels car loads of these "assault weapons" and also refrain our federal agents from giving them their personal guns as well?
Can we start with an administration being transparent about its own role in gun violence and tragic slaughters of innocents as part of putting all our cards on the table? Can it start with them holding people accountable for the numerous tragedies it has spawned?
Or are Mexican kid's lives not worth as much? I already have serious doubts that inner city kid's lives are worth as much as middle class suburban kids b/c they're shot every day in our cities, so I imagine Mexican kids are way down the concern list.
Not a single person involved in F&F has been criminally prosecuted to my knowledge, despite more than 200 deaths from those guns we know about so far, yet they want to curtail the rights of all Americans b/c of their concern for the lives of the Newtown children? How do I accept their sincerity when people in their own executive branch go untouched for these crimes?
#2 guy in Phoenix ATF in 2010 (during F&F) bought a military/LE grade handgun (FN Five- Seven) at a Phoenix store. The gun was just found in a Sinaloa/Mexican military shootout.
4473 requires a home address. on his 2 purchases he used the ATF office address with a made up apartment number, on the other the address of a strip mall. Both fraudulent, and do you think a senior ATF agent may know which address to use?
The gun showed up at this shooting along with another weapon from F&F traced to a guy who bought more than 600 guns from the F&F operation and was a primary target. An agent involved in F&F has his personal weapon show up at a cartel crime scene with another gun from the F&F operation?
From the story:
Gillett's gun was found in Sinaloa after a gun battle that killed Mexican beauty queen Maria Susana Gamez. Another weapon found at the crime scene was traced to a Uriel Patino, who illegally bought more than 600 guns and is a main suspect in the controversial Operation Fast and Furious run out of the Phoenix office of the ATF.
" That would raise the question of the extent to which that person might be involved in the gun trafficking that was going on and profiting from it. ... These are legitimate questions."
Gillett didn't respond to a request to comment for this story, though he has confirmed in other news interviews that he bought the gun, saying he later sold it on the Internet.
just to be clear, the "internet" doesn't wash this paper trail away. To sell over the internet he has to either sell to an individual in person or ship it to through a dealer to that buyer's dealer, both of them keeping records of who sold and bought the gun. If he's telling the truth it should be a simple act to trace the gun from him to the next buyer and find out more about how it got to the sinaloa cartel. "Sold it on the internet" isn't like "dropped it off the boat by accident", but what a convenient story for him to have.
The ATF's operation, whether tied to the White House or not, has handed out more guns that have killed more children than all these lunatics combined and now we find an agent's personal gun interwoven in this?
when we do our "common sense gun control" can we start with not handing cartels car loads of these "assault weapons" and also refrain our federal agents from giving them their personal guns as well?
Can we start with an administration being transparent about its own role in gun violence and tragic slaughters of innocents as part of putting all our cards on the table? Can it start with them holding people accountable for the numerous tragedies it has spawned?
Or are Mexican kid's lives not worth as much? I already have serious doubts that inner city kid's lives are worth as much as middle class suburban kids b/c they're shot every day in our cities, so I imagine Mexican kids are way down the concern list.
Not a single person involved in F&F has been criminally prosecuted to my knowledge, despite more than 200 deaths from those guns we know about so far, yet they want to curtail the rights of all Americans b/c of their concern for the lives of the Newtown children? How do I accept their sincerity when people in their own executive branch go untouched for these crimes?