Everyone having fun still?

[CitizenBBN]

I am.

This Russian thing is cracking me up, but it all has since the day Trump won.

The Left is absolutely positively refusing, deeply refusing, to admit that they simply lost. they just can't do it.

they didn't lose, it was somehow stolen from them. It was the fault of the Founders who set up the Electoral College, or it was Comey's fault she set up a home brew email server, or it was the russian's fault that her hypocrisy and lies and those of her staff and the DNC were exposed.

It just CANNOT possibly be that Hillary is as likeable as a root canal and had absolutely no message or connection with the voters b/c she's a frigid, manipulative poster child for the old world smoke filled back rooms of politics. OH NO, it can't be that she was a bad candidate, it had to be something, ANYTHING, else.


Now there is audio tape of Hillary at a high end holiday party she and Bill hosted in New York, where she said Putin did it b/c he has a personal ax to grind with her. Guys, this woman has been preaching the "vast right wing conspiracy" against her since the 90s, and before. Rush LImbaugh didn't make Bill have sex with an intern, and Comey and Putin didn't make Hillary set up a homemade server to avoid FOIA and allow them to make hundreds of millions of dollars in direct payments and Foundation money while hiding the quid pro quo that got them paid.

She's either delusional or she knows that her supporters would believe it if she said Martians did it.

It's ironic that the left is so anti-religious, when they exhibit all the behaviors of a true religious zealot or a cult, where they require ironclad adherence to dogma and become apoplectic in the face of any evidence to the contrary of their beliefs, clinging to them no matter how far they have to manipulate the facts to fit their beliefs.

Their unwillingness to question themselves is no less ardent or dogmatic than the Church persecuting Galileo.

[dan_bgblue]

I am still enjoying the case of butter popcorn I bought right after the election. Nothing like good popcorn to accompany such tragicomedy theater

[Doc]

Didn't you know that Putin is part of the right wing?

I'm expecting them to claim the Ruskies fabricated the emails but they can't do that, can they since Podesta still has them somewhere and the server not been bleached. I'm also loving the scolding Obama has given Russia, telling them they better not do it again or else!! He might get really really mad!! They did nothing about Russia until this. What a joke! His own weakness is one direction the democrats need to look. Also, who is responsible for the security of our nation? It was the government, which was primarily the left. His people!

[DanISSELisdaman]

What's surprising to me is that Trump didn't put Putin in his cabinet or maybe pick him for his vice since they're supposedly so close. :winking0011:

[dan_bgblue]

I almost laughed out loud when I read the proclamation that FLOTUS told Oprah.

"There is no more hope" “We feel the difference now. ... Now we’re feeling like what not having hope feels like. … What do you do if you don’t have hope, Oprah?” “Barack didn’t just talk about hope because he thought it was a nice slogan to get votes,” the first lady said in the CBS interview. “He and I and so many believe: What else do you have if you don’t have hope?”

[dan_bgblue]

Now the Hillary apologists are starting eat their own (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/18/clinton-advisers-point-fingers-at-huma-abedin-inner-circle-for-loss.html?refresh=true)

[CitizenBBN]

I almost laughed out loud when I read the proclamation that FLOTUS told Oprah.

"There is no more hope" “We feel the difference now. ... Now we’re feeling like what not having hope feels like. … What do you do if you don’t have hope, Oprah?” “Barack didn’t just talk about hope because he thought it was a nice slogan to get votes,” the first lady said in the CBS interview. “He and I and so many believe: What else do you have if you don’t have hope?”

I know 62 million people in 2,500 US counties with more hope than they've had in a while.

Of course the Obamas are big on hope, b/c they sure didn't give folks much else in 4 years. what else do you have? How about a job, or a safe neighborhood? You could give that to people, then they could create their own hope.

[suncat05]

All Obama did was create an illusion. That's it. And most of us here saw from the beginning that he was essentially no more than a con artist, a throwback to the olden days of snake oil salesmen.
He's a "community agitator" just like his buddies Sharpton & Jesse Jackson, but he's a much more polished orator than either one of them, and with a gift of selling BS that weak minded people will believe without questioning what he's actually saying.
Obama does, most of the time, I believe, know the truth when he hears or sees it. His choice to not heed the truth is what makes him so dangerous to us as everyday citizens. But then, that is exactly what real socialists/Communists do.......ignore the truth.

[dan_bgblue]

Bill the philanderer joins the party (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/19/bill-clinton-bashes-trump-blames-angry-white-men-and-comey-for-wifes-loss.html)

[Catonahottinroof]

And like a whiny bitch does he sound.

It would be best for him to at least acknowledge the reason she lost was her being herself.

Bill the philanderer joins the party (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/19/bill-clinton-bashes-trump-blames-angry-white-men-and-comey-for-wifes-loss.html)

[CitizenBBN]

Bill the philanderer joins the party (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/19/bill-clinton-bashes-trump-blames-angry-white-men-and-comey-for-wifes-loss.html)

Come on Bill. She's so unlikable you've been hitting up every woman that comes near you since the 90s. You really think she comes off better on a podium than she does in your own home?

Yes there are a lot of angry white men. There are also a lot of angry white women, and angry black men and women, and angry everyone who is sick of a leadership obsessed with who uses which bathroom rather than who has a job and a future.

Damn right we're angry. Or at least fed up. But it's not b/c of race, it's bc of the endless race baiting of the left where everyone is seen in terms of their ethnicity or sexuality. Fed the hell up.

[CitizenBBN]

BTW, he doesn't believe it. Sure Comey is part of it, but the truth is that the Clintons have promised a LOT to a lot of people who bet on them, and now they have to do damage control and try to maintain their influence and power, which of course means their wealth.

I guarantee Bill likes the $100 million dollar annual income and the private jets and all the perks that come with wealth and power. No way he wants to give that up and go into retirement.

They will try to hold onto power inside the DNC, be king makers. The problem is that the spoils belong to the victor,and the loser usually is forced to retire. Their only hope is to convince the Left that the Clintons are still worth supporting and keeping that influence.

Given that they reelected Pelosi maybe they feel they have a chance.

[Doc]

So how is what Russia supposedly did any different than what the media did? They (mainstream media) dug up crap on Trump then released it at the time they felt it would do him the most harm. Anybody believe the "grab the #####" was discovered 2 weeks prior to the election??? Anybody believe they didn't feed Hillary the debate questions?? Anybody think that MSNBC or CNN didn't withhold and release anti trump info strategically to do the greatest harm to him??? I'd have no complaint were the investigative reporting done equally but that clearly wasn't and had the media gotten the DNC emails would they been released? So Camp Hillary sent out e mails that were not flattering but all they did was show her real color. I guess she had the same expectation of level of privacy as Trump did on that bus 15 years ago. So, the Russians did the medias job but it was her actions, her and her staffs emails, her server (unless Putin planted that) and the investigation into her foundation that caused her to lose. Its like Bobby Petrino blaming Harley Davidson for his infamous motorcycle crash

[CitizenBBN]

Doc what is interesting to me is that if someone who was on staff obtained these emails and leaked them to the media, that's a protected source and a media doing its job as investigative journalists. But this was hacking and out of bounds.

Not really sure how that distinction works. not saying it's OK to hack files, but whoever may have hacked them isn't much different from a turncoat of the past.

In fact there's some conversation that some of it was leaked just that way to wikileaks, via a usb drive. I'm dubious on that part, but you never know.

[Doc]

Doc what is interesting to me is that if someone who was on staff obtained these emails and leaked them to the media, that's a protected source and a media doing its job as investigative journalists. But this was hacking and out of bounds.

Not really sure how that distinction works. not saying it's OK to hack files, but whoever may have hacked them isn't much different from a turncoat of the past.

In fact there's some conversation that some of it was leaked just that way to wikileaks, via a usb drive. I'm dubious on that part, but you never know.

I fully agree. Had the wiki leaks material been given to the media, I suspect it never would have been fully released. Much would have been buried.

If everything the left claims is accurate, so what. It does not make the election any less valid. The media affects elections in exactly the same manner. Their reporting and slants influence voters and the vast majority of that is toward the left. So now something gets out, bypassing the pro liberal media filter, and that somehow makes the election illegitimate?

We are a naive nation if we believe countries don't hack other countries. You think we aren't attempting to hack Russia, China, North Korea, Isreal, etc every single day? Now we want to get our panties in a wad because Russia is doing it? And Obama's scolding them like a daddy talking to a child is a joke. They better stop or else...... or else what you weakling? Is he going to send Putin to bed with no dinner? Maybe take away his allowance??? He has spent 8 years as a spineless president concerning Russia, even to the point of telling Putin he will have more leeway after the 2012 election. He drew worthless lines in the sand. The list goes on. Now he is Mr Tough Guy? I bet Putin is shaking in his boots.

[CitizenBBN]

Absolutely Doc.

First, the media is just sore that someone else like wikileaks and the internet generally has taken them out of the game. They used to be the only source for this information, so they had control of what was released and what wasn't, and now they have no control at all. Anyone can publish anything to the world without them.

I have zero doubt the Russians have tried to hack or actually hacked the DNC, the RNC, all the key players in American politics from their government emails to their facebook pages. Of course they do. Duh.

But even if they were the source of the breach in this case the impact they had on this election was to release THE TRUTH of what was going on at the DNC and in Hillary's campaign to the world, not to fabricate something.

And how is that different than the NYT releasing ILLEGALLY released information on Trump's taxes? It's OK if an IRS employee violates their contracts with the government and violated Trump's constitutional right to privacy and legal right to confidential tax information, but it's a travesty if some other non-media source does it to Podesta?

The truth is that if all this was dumped about Trump they'd have no issues at all with it, just like how they were up in arms that Trump would question the validity of an election but have sat silent while Hillary and the Green Party and Hollywood have done everything possible to question this election after they lost.

I don't want the Russians hacking us, but I have NO problem with wikileaks out there releasing non-intelligence information about our political leaders. It used to be the job of the media to dig and do this job but since they absolutely won't do it to the candidates they support I'm glad someone is filling the void.

[dan_bgblue]

The angry, delusional, scheming, spineless, weenies (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/12/20/next-idea-after-electoral-college-fail-anti-trump-forces-look-for-new-cause.html?refresh=true)

[KeithKSR]

Seems to me a lot of people have forgotten Obama trying to influence the elections in Israel.

[MickintheHam]

The only thing sensible or analytical I have read was a drudge report article which was an interview with Joe Biden. Uncle Joe said he became very worried when he saw people in Eastern PA who had supported him, showing up on TV at Trump rallies. He knew then that they were losing their base.

[MickintheHam]

Seems to me a lot of people have forgotten Obama trying to influence the elections in Israel.

He has influenced the elections in America greatly. Since 2008, dems have lost 1043 seats in State houses, Congress and Governorships. It is anet loss of 959. He has presided essentially over the dismantling of the democrat machine. It is a marvelous tribute to his Presidency.

[bigsky]

The 3 worst presidents of my lifetime are in reverse order Bill Clinton, George W Bush and Barack Obama. That is a downward spiral so no it isnt really fun. Schadenfreude isnt a long term strategy for governance. It is more like getting talked into doing shots with my twenties sons and their friends. I will either be dead or feel like I'm dying.

[dan_bgblue]

I have really gotten a kick out of the soon to be X-POTUS and his claiming he would have won a third term if allowed to run, because he would and convinced people that he offered real hope for things to get better. Also his analysis of why Clinton did not win the election because she did not follow his game plan of offering real hope to the little people has been quite enlightening.

When someone does an autopsy on him at some point, they will not find a humble bone to analyze.

[MickintheHam]

My take is Obama is totally intimidated by Trump. For the first time in 8 years he is being seen in all his weakness. Trump has taken over and Obama never saw it coming. It's as though he left the White House on Nov 9. I don't think Trump will tell Putin to "cut it out" when the topic of hacking is discussed.

[Catonahottinroof]

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I have really gotten a kick out of the soon to be X-POTUS and his claiming he would have won a third term if allowed to run, because he would and convinced people that he offered real hope for things to get better. Also his analysis of why Clinton did not win the election because she did not follow his game plan of offering real hope to the little people has been quite enlightening.

When someone does an autopsy on him at some point, they will not find a humble bone to analyze.

[ukblue]

Big sky you have got to have Jimmy Carter in there somewhere. I voted for the prick and when I stand before St. Peter I will have to answer why.
If Putin owes anyone anything it would have to be Hillary for selling him a large portion of our uranium reserves when she was SOS.

[CitizenBBN]

Funny graphic, and oh so true. He hasn't gotten OK with being out of power. Most Presidents seem ready to go, it's a very demanding job. IMO Obama never poured himself into it like most presidents, so he's not as burned out as the others. True on both the left and right btw.

He really thinks that his vision is inherently the only ideology one can have and be a reasonable person. That's why he blames Fox News and Rush all the time,b/c in his mind anyone who disagrees either simply doesn't understand it (thus his comments that if he had the chance to run and explain again he'd win), is a racist/sexist/homophobe, and/or has been brainwashed from the truth of his vision by Fox.

It can't possibly be that people just as smart and often more empirically experienced than himself do understand his ideology and vision completely and have rationally rejected it in favor of another ideology.

He just can't accept that Fox News and Rush are NOT the source of that ideology, they are simply a symptom of tens of millions who share that ideology deciding to get their news from sources that also embrace that ideology.

Conservative media didn't create the conservative voting base, the conservatives of this country created that media through their demand for non-Leftist news coverage.

[Doc]

What really shows how petty this current administration is is what happened at the UN Friday (http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/23/politics/israel-official-rips-obama-un-settlements/)with the resolution to condemn Israel. By abstaining, we basically voted for it.