Kerry: Air conditioners as big a threat as ISIS

[dan_bgblue]

Refrigerators and Air Conditioners (http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/07/23/kerry-air-conditioners-as-big-threat-as-isis.html)

Rotten, bacteria infested food is more dangerous than all of them put together.

Kerry is a piece of work

[badrose]

He's a piece of something.

[KeithKSR]

He's a piece of something.

Definitely.

[bigsky]

Something Chris Rock said once; "red meat aint gonna kill you. GREEN meat will kill you. Red meat will keep you alive.

[kingcat]

As usual, the beacon is just in high speed spin mode..here's their spin

Secretary of State John Kerry said in Vienna on Friday that air conditioners and refrigerators are as big of a threat to life as the threat of terrorism posed by groups like the Islamic State.

Here's the exact quote..

“As we were working together on the challenge of [ISIS] and terrorism,” Kerry said. “It’s hard for some people to grasp it, but what we–you–are doing here right now is of equal importance because it has the ability to literally save life on the planet itself.”


Although I do understand the division in thought about GW, Mr. Kerry laid his life on the line for our country in Nam' and speaks what he believes to be true, with adequate scientific support to do so.
Conservative Americans should at least cut him more slack than this.

I find no problem with what he said and who he said it to.

[KeithKSR]

As usual, the beacon is just in high speed spin mode..here's their spin

Secretary of State John Kerry said in Vienna on Friday that air conditioners and refrigerators are as big of a threat to life as the threat of terrorism posed by groups like the Islamic State.

Here's the exact quote..

“As we were working together on the challenge of [ISIS] and terrorism,” Kerry said. “It’s hard for some people to grasp it, but what we–you–are doing here right now is of equal importance because it has the ability to literally save life on the planet itself.”


Although I do understand the division in thought about GW, Mr. Kerry laid his life on the line for our country in Nam' and speaks what he believes to be true, with adequate scientific support to do so.
Conservative Americans should at least cut him more slack than this.

I find no problem with what he said and who he said it to.

Their interpretation is accurate. "Equal to" means the equivalent to, same as, etc.

[kingcat]

Their interpretation is accurate. "Equal to" means the equivalent to, same as, etc.

Then your definition of ethical journalism differs vastly from mine. The beacon is right wing agenda driven, and this article represents that.

[KeithKSR]

Then your definition of ethical journalism differs vastly from mine. The beacon is right wing agenda driven, and this article represents that.

Kerry said he was at a meeting on ISIS the previous day and that this problem is of equal importance. It's pretty clear what he meant. This administration has gone one record many times indicating that they view global warming as the biggest threat, and blame every other societal I'll on it.

[kingcat]

Hopeless propaganda. Laid to rest.
(http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp)

Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

Status: False.

Besides, that's from one of the old election year right wing handbooks. One which knows no limit to veiled anti-American propaganda.

Both parties do such things..but it still sucks.

[KeithKSR]

Dave, using Kerry as a source to debunk what others said about him is hardly debunking what was written about him.

[kingcat]

Just a little snippet from one of many accounts..

But, perhaps casting doubt on our servicemen in Nam and other wars is ok in political squabbles, but it don't seem appropriate to me.

Another member of the crew confirmed Kerry's account for the Boston Globe and expressed no doubt that Kerry's action had saved both the boat and its crew:
The crewman with the best view of the action was Frederic Short, the man in the tub operating the twin guns. Short had not talked to Kerry for 34 years, until after he was recently contacted by a Globe reporter. Kerry said he had "totally forgotten" Short was on board that day.

Short had joined Kerry's crew just two weeks earlier, as a last-minute replacement, and he was as green as the Arkansas grass of his home. He said he didn't realize that he should have carried an M-16 rifle, figuring the tub's machine guns would be enough. But as Kerry stood face to face with the guerrilla carrying the rocket, Short realized his predicament. With the boat beached and the bow tilted up, a guard rail prevented him from taking aim at the enemy. For a terrifying moment, the guerrilla looked straight at Short with the rocket.

Short believes the guerrilla didn't fire because he was too close and needed to be a suitable distance to hit the boat squarely and avoid ricochet debris. Short tried to protect his skipper.

"I laid in fire with the twin .50s, and he got behind a hootch," recalled Short. "I laid 50 rounds in there, and Mr. Kerry went in. Rounds were coming everywhere. We were getting fire from both sides of the river. It was a canal. We were receiving fire from the opposite bank, also, and there was no way I could bring my guns to bear on that."

Short said there is "no doubt" that Kerry saved the boat and crew. "That was a him-or-us thing, that was a loaded weapon with a shape charge on it . . . It could pierce a tank. I wouldn't have been here talking to you. I probably prayed more up that creek than a Southern Baptist church does in a month."

Charles Gibson, who served on Kerry's boat that day because he was on a one-week indoctrination course, said Kerry's action was dangerous but necessary. "Every day you wake up and say, 'How the hell did we get out of that alive?'" Gibson said. "Kerry was a good leader. He knew what he was doing."
Although Kerry's superiors were somewhat concerned about the issue of his leaving his boat unattended, they nonetheless found his actions courageous and worthy of commendation:
When Kerry returned to his base, his commanding officer, George Elliott, raised an issue with Kerry: the fine line between whether the action merited a medal or a court-martial.

"When [Kerry] came back from the well-publicized action where he beached his boat in middle of ambush and chased a VC around a hootch and ended his life, when [Kerry] came back and I heard his debrief, I said, 'John, I don't know whether you should be court-martialed or given a medal, court-martialed for leaving your ship, your post,'" Elliott recalled in an interview.

"But I ended up writing it up for a Silver Star, which is well deserved, and I have no regrets or second thoughts at all about that," Elliott said. A Silver Star, which the Navy said is its fifth-highest medal, commends distinctive gallantry in action.

Asked why he had raised the issue of a court-martial, Elliott said he did so "half tongue-in-cheek, because there was never any question I wanted him to realize I didn't want him to leave his boat unattended. That was in context of big-ship Navy — my background. A C.O. [commanding officer] never leaves his ship in battle or anything else. I realize this, first of all, it was pretty courageous to turn into an ambush even though you usually find no more than two or three people there. On the other hand, on an operation some time later, down on the very tip of the peninsula, we had lost one boat and several men in a big operation, and they were hit by a lot more than two or three people."

Elliott stressed that he never questioned Kerry's decision to kill the Viet Cong, and he appeared in Boston at Kerry's side during the 1996 Senate race to back up that aspect of Kerry's action.

"I don't think they were exactly ready to court-martial him," said Wade Sanders, who commanded a swift boat that sometimes accompanied Kerry's vessel, and who later became deputy assistant secretary of the Navy. "I can only say from the certainty borne of experience that there must have been some rumbling about, 'What are we going to do with this guy, he turned his boat,' and I can hear the words, 'He endangered his crew.' But from our position, the tactic to take is whatever action is best designed to eliminate the enemy threat, which is what he did."

Indeed, the Silver Star citation makes clear that Kerry's performance on that day was both extraordinary and risky. "With utter disregard for his own safety and the enemy rockets," the citation says, Kerry "again ordered a charge on the enemy, beached his boat only 10 feet from the Viet Cong rocket position and personally led a landing party ashore in pursuit of the enemy . . . The extraordinary daring and personal courage of Lt. Kerry in attacking a numerically superior force in the face of intense fire were responsible for the highly successful mission."

[Doc]

For me, any person who serves in the military has my thanks. I'd even say that about somebody like Beau Bergdahl.

Of course that does not change the fact that Kerry and the administration feel that a miniscuale alteration in the average earth's temperature over centuries, which they claim is due to man using fabricated data, is of equal or greater danger to this country than an army of religious zealots who are determined to wipe off the face of the earth AS SOON AS POSSIBLE. I dare speculate that Islamic Fundelmentalist Terrorists have killed and are going to kill a lot more people than a 0.7 degree rise per century

[HerbTarlek]

Hopeless propaganda. Laid to rest.
(http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp)

Claim: John Kerry's Vietnam War service medals (a Bronze Star, a Silver Star and three Purple Hearts) were earned under "fishy" circumstances.

Status: False.

Besides, that's from one of the old election year right wing handbooks. One which knows no limit to veiled anti-American propaganda.

Both parties do such things..but it still sucks.

So the logic, as you present it, is. . .

. . . because Kerry served in the Vietnam war, we should parse his words so that we can excuse the fact that he's a moron and an asshole? Got it. I should probably vote for Hillary as well, otherwise, I've been told, I'm a racist. I don't want to be a racist. So I'll vote for Clinton.

[MickintheHam]

Gee, I just always referred to him as a moron. There's much more to the guy than I realized.

[ukblue]

Mick, he also has poor judgment in which state he anchors a boat. Anyone that thinks he didn't do the illegal meeting with the N Vietnamese needs to google it. The pics of the meeting and Kerry's smiling face should satisfy most people.

[kingcat]

Mick, he also has poor judgment in which state he anchors a boat. Anyone that thinks he didn't do the illegal meeting with the N Vietnamese needs to google it. The pics of the meeting and Kerry's smiling face should satisfy most people.

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

I was against the war also. But I will not diss our veterans for their service because of politics.

At least not without close and careful examination as well as a measure of common sense.

But I'll tell you guys what, since there is no room for common ground between anyone not affiliated with the group think here and the right wing political tenacity some deem appropriate for a KSR forum.

I will back out gladly, and permanently.

[jazyd]

Actually Kerry is pretty smart, divorced some lady only worth about $100 million to marry one worth $500 million even if it was her dead husbands money and he was a republican

King at, you sound like all the liberals with your unethical right wing journalism as if all the media you believe in are ethical. Which they aren't and the leaks on the DNC prove it.

The problem with liberals they speak one language, always right, always stick together even when the truth slaps them square in the face

At least conservatives and republicans here and elsewhere constantly criticize conservative politicians and tell the truth.

King at, you can leave but your arguments hold no water. You won't admit it, which reminds me of someone else here, but you are closed minded in politics and your side is tearing this country down and taking it to a socialist state and those people you love can't stand you and do nothing but lie to you

Get back in the Bible, read it close and explain to me how you can vote democrat who are against what the teachings of the Bible thru Jesus and Gods own words

[ukblue]

Other military people were convicted for treason on less than Kerry did when he involved himself with negotiations with a foreign government. Not politics, history and fact. The leftist liberals desire to ignore it makes it no less valid.

[CitizenBBN]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

I was against the war also. But I will not diss our veterans for their service because of politics.

At least not without close and careful examination as well as a measure of common sense.

But I'll tell you guys what, since there is no room for common ground between anyone not affiliated with the group think here and the right wing political tenacity some deem appropriate for a KSR forum.

I will back out gladly, and permanently.

There are some veterans worth dissing, regardless of party.

IMO Kerry isn't one of them per se b/c at least compared to most politicians he was in country. There are questions, but most don't even go and serve post the WWII generation. Gore Jr. and Bush Jr. both got token assignments given to the connected.

As for the tone of the board, well yes any liberal view will be outnumbered here, the cross-section of UK fans will be decidedly conservative by definition due to geography and culture, no way to change that part.

And frankly there's not a lot of common ground left at this point, and that's nothing to do with being close minded or "group think", it's just that people fundamentally disagree at the most basic levels about the direction and goals of our nation, and that leaves not a lot of room on the same path.

It's not going to be a very warm discussion at this point, that's just how it goes. You blame that on the media or whoever whipping up people, but that ignores that a lot of people are perfectly whipped up on their own b/c they feel increasingly squeezed by a direction with which they so strongly disagree.

I for one have formulated my political economy since middle school. It's pretty well researched, and was not handed down to me by politicians or parties or pundits. It is forged in research on political economy, a degree in economics and a lifetime in small business on the front lines. I for one do argue the position with some amount of passion, but don't confuse conviction forged with experience for being close minded. i simply have analyzed the situation long enough that I'm very comfortable with my answers.

And I just don't see much compromise with things like what I see on the other side these days. I don't like a lot of what is coming out of the establishment even on THIS side, so you can imagine how little common ground I have with someone like Obama who centers on social justice instead of liberty altogether.

And fwiw that gap has largely been there since the beginning in one form or another, and it's never been nice. Most of the harkening to the "good old days" of reason and compromise is a myth. There was some, but most of it is a myth.

[Doc]

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry.asp

I was against the war also. But I will not diss our veterans for their service because of politics.

At least not without close and careful examination as well as a measure of common sense.

But I'll tell you guys what, since there is no room for common ground between anyone not affiliated with the group think here and the right wing political tenacity some deem appropriate for a KSR forum.

I will back out gladly, and permanently.

I won't diss him for his service because of his politics. I'll dis him for his politics REGARDLESS of his service. Air conditioners are not as big a threat as ISIS. It's an idiotic concept and the belief that Muslim radicals are not as great a concern is what is leading and has lead to their rise. Allowing them to build a nuclear arsenal is stupid. Worried about global warming? Well when Iran dumps a nuke on Israel then you will see global warming to a far greater extent than anything Carrier makes.

[Catonahottinroof]

If Kerry feels that way, maybe he should put his money where his mouth is. Live without AC :)

[KeithKSR]

Then your definition of ethical journalism differs vastly from mine. The beacon is right wing agenda driven, and this article represents that.

Your ethical journalism at work: http://heavy.com/news/2016/07/wikileaks-emails-clinton-bernie-list-directory-photos-most-damaging-worst-rhode-island-delegate-fec-jvf/11/

[KeithKSR]

If Kerry feels that way, maybe he should put his money where his mouth is. Live without AC :)

That's as apt to happen as Al Gore beginning to use solar energy to power his huge Tennessee home and foregoing his private jet in favor of flying commercially in order to reduce his personal carbon footprint.

[ukblue]

As Kingcat said one guy said he saw Kerry do one of the things he said he did.However the rest of the platoon said it never happened.