And the leaks begin....

[Catonahottinroof]

WikiLeaks exposes how the DNC actively worked against Sanders, and the will of the voters. Hillary cannot win the election without the Sanders voters who may abstain, or vote for a third party candidate, or write Sanders in on the ballot.

I do believe Wikileaks is going to leak embarrassing data finds until Election Day regarding things such as this.

http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

[KentuckyWildcat]

With or without Sanders' voters, I'm confident we have enough idiots to give her a chance.

[jazyd]

WikiLeaks exposes how the DNC actively worked against Sanders, and the will of the voters. Hillary cannot win the election without the Sanders voters who may abstain, or vote for a third party candidate, or write Sanders in on the ballot.

I do believe Wikileaks is going to leak embarrassing data finds until Election Day regarding things such as this.

http://observer.com/2016/07/wikileaks-proves-primary-was-rigged-dnc-undermined-democracy/

https://wikileaks.org/dnc-emails/

Did you also see what they wrote to the Fox Reporter asking a very simple question? Wanting to know if they had a F@@@ U symbol several different times, wouldn't anwer his question.

[suncat05]

Let's just hope they have something juicy and very criminal in nature to leak.

[CGWildcat]

DNC Chairman Wasserman-Schulz will not preside over the DNC. That's Big!

[KeithKSR]

DNC Chairman Wasserman-Schulz will not preside over the DNC. That's Big!

Huge.

[Catonahottinroof]

More schadenfruede...

http://www.allenbwest.com/michele/desperate-democrats-make-stupefying-claim-dnc-emails-leaked

[Doc]

More schadenfruede...

http://www.allenbwest.com/michele/desperate-democrats-make-stupefying-claim-dnc-emails-leaked

Wouldn't shock me if it was the Russians since odds are they had access to Hillary's emails, both regular and classified

[CitizenBBN]

It may be the Russians, but it's not b/c they want Trump over Hillary. Why would they worry about her? it was her "reset" policy with Russia that encouraged them to allow the Crimea and we did NOTHING in response, and the Russians have spent millions with the Clintons in part to insure Hillary would not oppose their purchase of about 1/5th of the US uranium reserve, which is being exported out of this country through underhanded means as we speak.

Those are FACTS, not speculation about hackers and motives. we KNOW the company gave large sums in speaking fees to Bill Clinton and to the Foundation, and that they are tied to the Canadian businessman who fronts them, and that Hillary (among other departments) all signed off on the Russians buying our uranium mines.

Maybe they like Trump, maybe not, but there's no reason whatsoever to think they're worried about Hillary as President. Her tenure as Sec of State was a HUGE boon to them. They got the Crimea, they are re-establishing themselves in the Middle East with Syria and now possibly Turkey, they're getting contracts with Iran now that sanctions are lifted, and much more. Seriously, what has gone wrong for them during the Obama/Hillary tenure?

For a Clinton staffer to call for an investigation of ties to the Russians is hilarious. We could start by them releasing the true donor records for the Foundation and for their speeches, which we also know falsely listed go-betweens in many cases or simply didn't list the source at all.

[CitizenBBN]

BTW, she's out completely now as DNC chair.

Can't you just tell she was a b**** on wheels from her behavior?

But more to the point, was anyone really fooled in this process that they weren't fixing it for Hillary at every turn? The whole point of the DNC's setup was to make sure they could torpedo candidates they thought might win a primary but lose a general election. The super-delegate system was set up in response to the McGovern election, specifically to make sure they could do a lot to override the actual vote counts.

That's the formal system, designed for just this occasion. So why would it be a surprise they'd do other things consistent with that clear goal?

[Catonahottinroof]

That's the formal system, designed for just this occasion. So why would it be a surprise they'd do other things consistent with that clear goal?

The bad part about it this is Sanders would beat Trump by double digits IMO.
This poll was before the RNC convention and before Wikileaks exposed the DNC's dirty laundry. The next poll will only be worse. The voters she is losing are going to the 3rd party candidates, similar to the 92 election where Perot siphoned votes off of Bush Sr. and helped elect Bill Clinton. Trump is haging around 40% in the swing states with 12-15% going to the 3rd parties. Like I said above, she can't win the election without 2 of the 3 states mentioned in this poll.

http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2365

[CitizenBBN]

BTW, there is an argument for why they'd want Trump, and it's the NATO stuff, b/c no doubt Putin wants the Baltic states back next and he may think Trump is more isolationist.

In truth Hillary is something of a Hawk, or at least is perceived as one. And she will say all the right things about NATO.

But my guess is Trump is a) playing to his "we aren't the world's policeman" campaign position and b) playing the Russians during the campaign.

If I were them I wouldn't count on Trump doing anything on the foreign stage according to predictions. Personally I think he's a lot more likely to react to a threat or provocation than Hillary, he certainly does that with words.

Besides, we wont not defend a NATO member, just won't happen. IMO if anything emboldened Putin it was allowing the annexation of the Crimea, for which I think we revoked some diplomatic travel and that was about it.

[CitizenBBN]

The bad part about it this is Sanders would beat Trump by double digits IMO.
This poll was before the RNC convention and before Wikileaks exposed the DNC's dirty laundry. The next poll will only be worse. The voters she is losing are going to the 3rd party candidates, similar to the 92 election where Perot siphoned votes off of Bush Sr. and helped elect Bill Clinton. Trump is haging around 40% in the swing states with 12-15% going to the 3rd parties. Like I said above, she can't win the election without 2 of the 3 states mentioned in this poll.

http://www.qu.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/2016-presidential-swing-state-polls/release-detail?ReleaseID=2365

Trump needs to send his wife and daughter out to the swing states and pound on them, peel away some of the women voter support for Clinton.

It will all come down to PA, Ohio, Florida and maybe Michigan. But if he wins those he can win.

I don't think Sanders would have beaten him, he would have gotten his share of the non-establishment movement vote, but in the end he's a Socialist and many moderates would peel off. But I would love to have a magic looking glass where we could play out such scenarios for curiosity b/c you never know.

[Catonahottinroof]

Not sure I agree there. The millennial vote was in Sanders pocket. The same group responsible for both of Obama's terms. At this point they are either voting 3rd party, writing Sanders in, or staying home.

[StuBleedsBlue2]

Not sure I agree there. The millennial vote was in Sanders pocket. The same group responsible for both of Obama's terms. At this point they are either voting 3rd party, writing Sanders in, or staying home.

Absolutely not.

Millennials hate Trump as much as they love Bernie. They're going to come out in large numbers, they're going to vote for Hillary. I think a case can be made for the over 50 white male Bernie supporters choosing a 3rd party or staying at home. Some of them will vote for Trump.

[CitizenBBN]

Absolutely not.

Millennials hate Trump as much as they love Bernie. They're going to come out in large numbers, they're going to vote for Hillary. I think a case can be made for the over 50 white male Bernie supporters choosing a 3rd party or staying at home. Some of them will vote for Trump.

well at least they can join all us other hypocrites and sellouts. As long as they drop their self-indulgent self-righteousness I'll be OK with it. :)

OTOH, so many of them are so lazy they may not vote no matter what. lol

But they won't be enthused about Hillary, and the truth is that the whole negative "vote against" thing never plays as well as people expect come election day. that will hurt Trump too, who is getting completely off message of his strengths.

Trump should get the "break the machine" part of the Bernie vote, he fits that mold well. Hillary is the embodiment of the political elite establishment. Trump's a wackadoodle, but he's for sure not just another establishment stuffed shirt. That will appeal to some, even as his fifth grade approach to life turns out some to vote against him.

if he'd shut his mouth, stay on message, and go kiss the donor's butts to be able to run some ads he'd have this thing won, he simply has more upside than Hillary if he were to get smart, but he won't do it.

[Catonahottinroof]

The polling in swing states proves otherwise. Hillary has lost 8-10% of commitmented voters while the libertarian and green party's have grown by that amount.


Absolutely not.

Millennials hate Trump as much as they love Bernie. They're going to come out in large numbers, they're going to vote for Hillary. I think a case can be made for the over 50 white male Bernie supporters choosing a 3rd party or staying at home. Some of them will vote for Trump.

[Catonahottinroof]

And DWS lands in the Clinton campaign after ouster from
DNC chair. You can't make this kind of stupidity up....

http://www.commondreams.org/news/2016/07/24/mission-accomplished-dnc-clinton-hires-wasserman-schultz-top-post

https://www.hillaryclinton.com/briefing/statements/2016/07/24/hillary-clinton-statement-on-the-resignation-of-democratic-national-committee-chair-debbie-wasserman-schultz/

[KeithKSR]

The polling in swing states proves otherwise. Hillary has lost 8-10% of commitmented voters while the libertarian and green party's have grown by that amount.

A new CNN poll, just out this hour, shows Trump up five points nationwide. This is with all four candidates included.

[Catonahottinroof]

A convention bump after that farce of a convention. Wow. I suppose Hillary will see the same as well.

[KSRBEvans]

A convention bump after that farce of a convention. Wow. I suppose Hillary will see the same as well.

Probably. That's why it's usually (http://www.kysportsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?32098-Sabato-s-Crystal-Ball-Electoral-Map&p=359620&viewfull=1#post359620) good to look at the composite polling averages about 30 days after both conventions. That will be around August 28.

[CitizenBBN]

A convention bump after that farce of a convention. Wow. I suppose Hillary will see the same as well.

Sad but true I guess. it was a huge missed opportunity for Trump in so many ways, though he was always swimming upstream against the media looking to blow things up. They'll do their best to help Hillary but I don't expect much better from their convention.

[Catonahottinroof]

Political B theater......both parties.

[KeithKSR]

BTW, there is an argument for why they'd want Trump, and it's the NATO stuff, b/c no doubt Putin wants the Baltic states back next and he may think Trump is more isolationist.

In truth Hillary is something of a Hawk, or at least is perceived as one. And she will say all the right things about NATO.

But my guess is Trump is a) playing to his "we aren't the world's policeman" campaign position and b) playing the Russians during the campaign.

If I were them I wouldn't count on Trump doing anything on the foreign stage according to predictions. Personally I think he's a lot more likely to react to a threat or provocation than Hillary, he certainly does that with words.

Besides, we wont not defend a NATO member, just won't happen. IMO if anything emboldened Putin it was allowing the annexation of the Crimea, for which I think we revoked some diplomatic travel and that was about it.

Trump's statements on NATO sound like the the NATO countries he wouldn't defend are those who do not contribute to NATO monetarily.

[Catonahottinroof]

Quid pro quo....shocking I say :/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-dnc-documents-show-plans-to-reward-big-donors-with-federal-appointments/

[CitizenBBN]

Quid pro quo....shocking I say :/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-dnc-documents-show-plans-to-reward-big-donors-with-federal-appointments/

Yeah, glad I was sitting down to now that the DNC and Clintons are selling federal appointments.

In fairness that system has been in place a long time, but just like the speeches and Foundation, no one has EVER taken it to such a level. They don't even try to keep up appearances or turn down a penny from anyone including foreign governments and even foreign enemies.

I love that this list includes power lawyers that defend Wall Street, real estate developers and other champions of the downtrodden.

Maybe some of these liberal voters should ask why people who are the definition of privileged white men are so happy to donate to someone who supposedly is fighting against that privilege. Answer for those who won't see it: they're being sold a bill of goods, and none of them including Hillary care about more than being in power.

(in the name of equal opportunity, that goes for the GOP establishment as well, which is the problem)

[KeithKSR]

The Democrats lack any economic sense.

[suncat05]

The Democrats lack any economic sense.

Maybe because they are all left-wing socialist/Communist idealogues who believe "more government" is the ultimate answer to all problems?

[badrose]

Sadly, the fact that Hillary is doing as well as she is evidence to what our society has become.

[Doc]

Quid pro quo....shocking I say :/

http://dailycaller.com/2016/07/24/leaked-dnc-documents-show-plans-to-reward-big-donors-with-federal-appointments/


“The disclosed DNC emails sure look like the potential Clinton Administration has intertwined the appointments to federal government boards and commissions with the political and fund raising operations of the Democratic Party,” Boehm told The Daily Caller.

I'm shocked that an individual of such high moral character as Hillary would do such a thing. That seems so out of character for her. :bonk:

[Doc]

The Democrats lack any common or moral sense.

Fixed

[MickintheHam]

BTW, she's out completely now as DNC chair.

Can't you just tell she was a b**** on wheels from her behavior?

But more to the point, was anyone really fooled in this process that they weren't fixing it for Hillary at every turn? The whole point of the DNC's setup was to make sure they could torpedo candidates they thought might win a primary but lose a general election. The super-delegate system was set up in response to the McGovern election, specifically to make sure they could do a lot to override the actual vote counts.

That's the formal system, designed for just this occasion. So why would it be a surprise they'd do other things consistent with that clear goal?
Wasserman Lundergan Shultz was truly in over her head. Completely unqualified to do the job properly and ethically.

[UKHistory]

Trump's statements on NATO sound like the the NATO countries he wouldn't defend are those who do not contribute to NATO monetarily.

Eastern European NATO countries are like Vandy and UK in SEC football. We contribute little but take up valuable space and bolster the footprint.

For Trump to publicly allude to not defending NATO countries and honoring existing US defense treaties is beyond stupid.

It is one thing to say as we strengthen NATO we look for our comrades in arms to help shoulder the defense burden of Europe against a tyrant like Putin.

You cavalierly say the US is unwilling to commit troops to Poland then goodbye Poland.

The Cold War is not over. Winter is coming.

[UKHistory]

Wasserman Lundergan Shultz was truly in over her head. Completely unqualified to do the job properly and ethically.

She had exactly the level of ethics that made her ideal for that job. I would think her counterpart in the GOP is comparable.

[Catonahottinroof]

The difference is the GOP didn't (but tried) to derail the will of the voter.


She had exactly the level of ethics that made her ideal for that job. I would think her counterpart in the GOP is comparable.

[suncat05]

You know, if I owned a rope manufacturing plant I wouldn't be able to staff it properly or be able to make as much rope as would be needed...........

[KeithKSR]

Eastern European NATO countries are like Vandy and UK in SEC football. We contribute little but take up valuable space and bolster the footprint.

For Trump to publicly allude to not defending NATO countries and honoring existing US defense treaties is beyond stupid.

It is one thing to say as we strengthen NATO we look for our comrades in arms to help shoulder the defense burden of Europe against a tyrant like Putin.

You cavalierly say the US is unwilling to commit troops to Poland then goodbye Poland.

The Cold War is not over. Winter is coming.

It is also important to note the question was asked of Trump when the coup in Turkey occurred. Should we have gone to Endergon's aid?

There are no absolutes, especially when a war weary people are involved.

[KeithKSR]

She had exactly the level of ethics that made her ideal for that job. I would think her counterpart in the GOP is comparable.

You mean the guy that let the election play out and refused to bend the rules to allow an establishment guy to be drafted and placed in nomination? If Priebus was like DWS he would have behaved much differently when faced with an anti-establishment candidate.

[Catonahottinroof]

Both parties are guilty of this, but the Dems are recorded with the dirty laundry in their voicemail.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lXk4E_LS33Q&sns=em

[jazyd]

You mean the guy that let the election play out and refused to bend the rules to allow an establishment guy to be drafted and placed in nomination? If Priebus was like DWS he would have behaved much differently when faced with an anti-establishment candidate.

I never have been a big fan of Priebus, but he won my respect by allowing the voters to decide and not give in to the elite GOP members. Nor did he give in at the beginning of the convention. Voters spoke. They wanted change and a new direction

[KeithKSR]

I never have been a big fan of Priebus, but he won my respect by allowing the voters to decide and not give in to the elite GOP members. Nor did he give in at the beginning of the convention. Voters spoke. They wanted change and a new direction

I gained a lot of respect for him over this as well. He stated all along that the candidate wouldn't come from outside of those running when it was down to Cruz, Kasich and Trump. I was skeptical. When he refused to cater to the establishment guys I was most impressed.

[Catonahottinroof]

Soros hacked. Should be an interesting week....

https://www.rt.com/usa/355919-soros-hacked-files-released/

[Doc]

This is why we need PRIVATE servers

[KeithKSR]

Soros hacked. Should be an interesting week....

https://www.rt.com/usa/355919-soros-hacked-files-released/

Could be bad for Dems.

[Catonahottinroof]

It shows the ability one person has to influence policy. Apparently giving over 60+ mil to the DNC gives him that kind of access. On the repub side that is the Koch Brothers who pull the wrongs they want to pull.

[Darrell KSR]

Lot of skeletons in closets being revealed...no such thing as government transparency without this. (I'm not saying it's "right," exactly, but, well, you know....)

[suncat05]

I am still of the opinion that there just isn't enough rope.......

[Catonahottinroof]

Revealing it is absolutely right. Assange et al are doing the job the media "should" be doing.....


Lot of skeletons in closets being revealed...no such thing as government transparency without this. (I'm not saying it's "right," exactly, but, well, you know....)

[Darrell KSR]

Other than that whole "illegal" thing, well, yeah.

[KeithKSR]

I am still of the opinion that there just isn't enough rope.......

I don't know, there seems to be an infinite amount of rope. At some point the cumulative weight of it will cause an impact.

[CitizenBBN]

It shows the ability one person has to influence policy. Apparently giving over 60+ mil to the DNC gives him that kind of access. On the repub side that is the Koch Brothers who pull the wrongs they want to pull.

One article pointed out quite rightly IMO that the media always points to the Koch brothers as if they are some menacing force. The Kochs have something over $300 million in their political fund chest, whereas Soros has about $3 BILLION, yet he never gets questioned by the mainstream media at all.

He poured about $33 million into the Ferguson/BLM thing to incite that situation, and has his fingers in the fight against voter ids, immigration and a bevy of worldwide issues.

I'm a big Bernie fan in one regard: he's right when he claims the People are no longer in charge and need to re-take their government. His direction is 100% wrong, but his premise could not be more true.

[CitizenBBN]

Other than that whole "illegal" thing, well, yeah.

What's interesting is that it seems a lot of it is being revealed with help from those in other camps but still elites. The theory is that Soros was hacked with Russian help b/c Soros and the US government were part of the hack of the Panama Papers.

Hacking and revealing these things is now just another front in the war between elites vying for more power and wealth. Hopefully this one will actually help reduce their influence overall.

[Darrell KSR]

It's good that this kind of stuff is revealed. We have a right to know.

[KeithKSR]

It's good that this kind of stuff is revealed. We have a right to know.

It would be better if it got more media coverage from the MSM.

[Catonahottinroof]

It would be better if the MSM media was the one bringing this to light. There is no investigative journalism anymore,

It would be better if it got more media coverage from the MSM.

[KeithKSR]

It would be better if the MSM media was the one bringing this to light. There is no investigative journalism anymore,

It is a far cry from the critical press the founding fathers envisioned.