Will Hillary get indicted?

[CitizenBBN]

seriously, how outrageous do her gross negligence and intentional security lapses have to get before she's prosecuted? Now they have emails that are so sensitive that no amount of redacting is sufficient, and the entire email needs to be withheld. That on top of the stuff above top secret, plus the dozens of others, plus her emailing to tell a staffer to "remove the header" which is to remove the security info and fax something unsecured.

This is pathetic. I have a friend with classified clearances b/c he does IT work for a military contractor. His ANNUAL clearance form is 20+ pages, and they only do classified level email. As he said to me, if they found out he had breached the system just once and had one email out there on an unsecured, unapproved system he'd be toast. Career gone, prosecuted criminally.

This crazy wacko was running an unsecured server in the basement of her residence that was handling the very highest level of US intelligence and information, all maintained by some guy who she paid privately. Not to mention that when she "turned over" at least some of the emails, they put them all on a USB and handed that to her attorney who had no security clearances at all of which I'm aware. I guess he kept that in his desk or gave it to his secretary with the thick Russian accent.

Hillary tweeted that no one is too big to not be prosecuted. I guess we'll be testing that claim, b/c this is an open and shut felony case.

[CitizenBBN]

Did I mention that the THREE star general appointed by Obama as Intelligence IG had to get an increase in his clearance just to read at least two of these emails, yet she claims there was no classified info on it?

Seriously? how head bangingly absurd can you get? The NSA or CIA sent these things out as "unclassified" and then woke up one day years later and said "oh crap, these are above top secret"? Oh please.

Even if it was her staffers doing it, that's still actionable. BTW these systems dont' cut and paste through any normal action, so they had to be taking info off classified email systems and putting them on her private network. Think they came up with that idea themselves?

Think you could read these emails as Sec. of State and it never hit you that "man, that intelligence sure seems sensitive" and realize it was not unclassified stuff? We're talking emails so sensitive that NONE of at least two of them (with thousands and thousands left to check) can be released without creating a security risk. How do read that stuff and not realize it?

It's beyond insulting to basic intelligence. It's criminal.

[CitizenBBN]

Like doublespeak? Dig this:

Meanwhile, State Department spokesman John Kirby reiterated Friday that the 22 documents in question were “not marked classified at the time they were sent.”


But he said the State Department will look at “whether they were classified at the time they were sent.”

He said: “These emails will be denied in full, meaning they will not be produced online on our FOIA website. In response to a FOIA request, it is not unusual to deny or withhold a document in full. We are not going to speak to the content of these documents.”

So these emails so sensitive even redacting won't make them safe to release weren't classified when sent, but they need to investigate if they were classified when sent. WTF?????

[Doc]

My wife has a govt clearance, not sure what level but I suspect it somewhere below the Sec of States, and she doesn't do 1/10 of the crap that Hilliary did. I mean its absurd the level of breach. This crap about personal email vs gov't email in and of itself is absolute hogwash. Even a low level gov't worker knows not to mix the two yet the friggin Secretary of State doesn't. Personally I don't care if its she is too stupid or to incompetent, it doesn't matter (or as she says...what difference does it make).. you have to be a bluthering idiot to do what she did.

[CitizenBBN]

Doc, excellent point. Just having the private server for her Sec State business is an actionable wrong, forget what emails are on it or aren't. she's changed the debate to what was on there, but the very use of a personal server for government business is IMO a violation of FOIA requirements on its face.

My wife takes her privacy obligations as a CPA more seriously than Hillary did the nation's most serious secrets.

[dan_bgblue]

Did the former attorney general ever see an indictment?

[CitizenBBN]

Did the former attorney general ever see an indictment?

Nope, but this is a much more provable case. But a much bigger target.

[KeithKSR]

I would be pleasantly surprised if she were to be indicted.

[CitizenBBN]

I would be pleasantly surprised if she were to be indicted.

I'd be shocked, but it would restore some of my faith that the nation can be saved and the government hasn't become totally lawless.

[DanISSELisdaman]

There's no way she will be indicted! Just ain't gonna happen!!

[suncat05]

Hillary WILL NOT be indicted. Period. Lynch is Obama's puppet-in-charge @ the DOJ. She will do whatever her socialist/Communist/political master Obama tells her to do.
It is very clear that the law has been broken, you don't have to be too bright to figure that out. Right is right, and wrong is wrong. It really is that simple. But nothing is going to be done to either Hillary or her girlfriend Huma. Not going to happen.

At what point does all of this lawlessness become the straw that breaks the camel's back?

Here is what I think is in the works: Hillary DOES NOT GET INDICTED, neither does sweet cheeks Huma. Rumor has it that Obama wants to be a Supreme Court Justice........he makes a deal with Hillary that if he doesn't let her get indicted, and he helps her get elected, then she pays up and makes Obama a Supreme Court Justice. Wait a minute, you say? Obama has to be vetted by Congress and receive Senate approval, you say.........please tell me, if you will, how this doesn't happen with the same damn people who have capitulated time and time again, with the power to defund everything he has put in front of them, but don't? Congress is in on these shenanigans too, just as much as Obama & Hillary.

Our government no longer works for us. It has become the same thing that it replaced before the original American Revolution. It is corrupt, criminal, and no longer accountable to us, even though we still elect these thieves and crooks into these offices to "supposedly" represent us.

[PedroDaGr8]

Hillary is literally the personification of EVERYTHING that is wrong with politics. EVERYTHING.

Corruption....check
Dishonesty....check
Above the law attitude....check
Lack of any guiding moral principle....check
No substance only image....check
Opinions are set by what is popular in the polls....check
Unabashed corporatist (which claiming shes not)....check


She by far, more than any other candidate, scares the crap out of me. Bernie Sanders, for who he is, at least you know hes honest about what he stands for. He has been saying and doing what he claims for the past 30 years. He was pro-gay marriage when Hilary was talking about the sanctity of marriage (because the polls showed that's what she should say), he votes for policies that favor the poor and middle class, etc. You, like me, may not agree with his politics but at least you know EXACTLY where he stands. With her, if a poll came out supporting the idea of converting 4-wheel vehicles to 3-wheels, you better believe she would all of sudden start spouting the evils of four wheels (and saying that she has never supported the rights of four wheels).

[bigsky]

How did she and Billy work all these years in govt service and become tens of millionaires? Corruption.

[Doc]

Realistically, she has done an incredible job of deflection. Everybody is focused on whether or not their were classified e-mails or not but realistically that point is moot. If my wife, when she had her top secret clearance EVER USED A PRIVATE SERVER FOR FOR GOVERNMENT PURPOSES, she would have been indicted on the spot, no questions asked. It would have been a no brainer, done without any second thought. She no longer has her TS clearance due in part to the amount of overseas travel we do and her job demands no longer need her to keep it but she still would never us our private computer for any work related e-mails. Its beyond idiotic and uncomprehendable. Classified or not, its just something you don't do. And that for an office person in the department of Justice, not the Secretary of State that is dealing with items of true national security. Hilliary has done what the Clinton's always do. They successfully muddy the water, make the argument about something else then delay until its old news not then say its old news. No different than Monica. They made it about getting a Hummer in the Oval Office. It wasn't. It was about lying to the public and lying under oath. Slick Willie lied under oath. Its what he did but they made it about something else, dragged it out and it became old news. Same with Vince Foster, White water

[bigsky]

I've made a small salary from 20 years of public service, five elected offices and that's it. Paid for those lunches and coffees myself. Regents, not an elected office, but substantial, paid nothing. So I believe I have a perspective. I could buy or sell when I know something from my office, ILLEGAL and IMMORAL but never prosecuted but I Have never so much as given it a thought. They've even stashed straight up bribery through their foundation, again , illegal and immoral. Bernie Sanders and his faux indian sidekick both have been speaking about this. Time to just point out, the emperors always have new clothes, houses, plane rides, bank accounts, etc. And they've never produced a thing that wasnt the moral equivalent of a bj in the Oval office.

[CitizenBBN]

I agree with everything you all said.

She is the embodiment of everything that is wrong with American politics, in every way and at every level. The party candidate, bent on power rather than anything to do with this country's betterment.

She used a private server not for convenience (she could have a full time staffer just at her side dealing with the tech, literally 24/7) but to duck freedom of information laws, making sure it would be difficult if not impossible to get to her emails. Hasn't worked like she hoped, but that's the idea.

[TNCat]

Doc, excellent point. Just having the private server for her Sec State business is an actionable wrong, forget what emails are on it or aren't. she's changed the debate to what was on there, but the very use of a personal server for government business is IMO a violation of FOIA requirements on its face.

My wife takes her privacy obligations as a CPA more seriously than Hillary did the nation's most serious secrets.

As a CPA, we can hit with a $250,000 fine for allowing a breach and having our clients personal information disclosed and misused. We have no doubt that we will be fined if it happens.

I seriously doubt that this DOJ will do anything. So much for upholding the law without prejudice.

[ukblue]

Guys, if there has been no intrusion into the server by Korea or China the case will go silent quickly. There is more than enough for the AG to turn the case over to a grand jury.

[jazyd]

Think UNC and NCAA

She is everything I hate about politics and politicians. A crook, a liar, IMO blood on her hands, no ethics or integrity.

And for the ice of me I do not understand the media. Yes I know they are all liberals but my gosh this is beyond politics, this is our national security and the lives of undercover agents. All have been exposed to our enemies. Why would any media member allow this to happen and be able to face themselves in the mirror and sleep at night.

FBI will have the evidence and Justice probably will pass. However, there is no love get seen Clintons and Obama and there is a good chance his administration is leaking info with Biden waiting in the wings with a pardon for Hillary.

[suncat05]

"Uncle Joe" is not electable either.

[Doc]

"Uncle Joe" is not electable either.

I wouldn't vote for the plagiarizer but millions would. He is electable, that's for sure. Many see him as a stately soul, not the walking gaffe that he is. A late entry does nothing but benefit him as it gives him less time to stick his foot into his mouth. I mean the democrats are voting for either a lying crook who would do anything for power or an admitted socialist. What makes you believe they wouldn't vote for Biden? He is an angel compared to them.

[KentuckyWildcat]

No real opinion if she should be indicted or not. But I know our M&O and Custodians know more about securing their email than Hillary.

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[MickintheHam]

Can she be pardoned if indicted, but not yet convicted? I'm just thinking ahead to January 19th or 20th in the Year of Our Lord 2017.

[suncat05]

Can she be pardoned if indicted, but not yet convicted? I'm just thinking ahead to January 19th or 20th in the Year of Our Lord 2017.

THAT is probably in the mix somewhere..........

[Doc]

Can she be pardoned if indicted, but not yet convicted? I'm just thinking ahead to January 19th or 20th in the Year of Our Lord 2017.

I believe so. Isn't that what occurred with Tricky Dick when Ford became President

Edit--no, he was an unindicted co-conspirator. Still, the pardon was there even though not indicted

[ukblue]

IMS isn't Hillary the only first lady to ever be indicted, whitewater, and the only one to ever be fingerprinted.k