Get your copy of Gone With The Wind while you still can

[KSRBEvans]

Amazon/Ebay/Walmart no longer selling items with Confederate symbols on them.

The Dukes of Hazard's General Lee no longer for sale since it has a Confederate symbol on it.

Apparently Apple pulls all Civil War games with Confederate imagery in them:

https://mobile.twitter.com/allahpundit/status/614121283794513920?p=v

Who wants to bet GWTW (either in print or on film) won't go at some point? I won't.

[suncat05]

You know, I understand the symbolism in the movie due to the period in time that it depicts. That said..........it's just a movie. It's telling a story, and it has a plot firmly centered around a love-hate relationship. Not sure that it has anything else to do with any slavery issues aside from the historical time frame of the movie. JMHO. I could be wrong, but that's what I remember when I watched that movie eons ago with my Mom when she was still alive.

[CitizenBBN]

Americans are nothing if not insanely overreacting in their political correctness. Oh, and misdirected, b/c I'm really curious how removing Dukes of Hazard DVDs will prevent the next wacko from thinking like this person.

[KSRBEvans]

And it begins....

http://nypost.com/2015/06/24/gone-with-the-wind-should-go-the-way-of-the-confederate-flag/

[KeithKSR]

Sales halted by federal government dictate? http://www.infowars.com/amazon-staff-government-ordered-us-not-to-sell-confederate-flag/

[Doc]

Yeah, I had to throw out my Jonny Rebel thong

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61JLrs%2B-VyL._UL1500_.jpg

[CitizenBBN]

Cultural fascism.

Vestiges of the Confederacy must be stomped out, but Che Guevara and Nation of Islam flags are fine. What?

I'm all for calling out racism, but I'm told by people that images of Che (a vicious bloodthirsty man the equal of any warlord) and the Nation of Islam I must tolerate b/c while some supporters are racists or fascists there are other meanings and other supporters who have nobler causes. Well that defines the Confederacy and the battle flag as well. Some who respect that flag are racists, but many are not.

Tolerance is great so long as it's tolerating what the Leftists and PC crowd want tolerated, but it goes out the window like a bullet when it's time to tolerate something they don't like. Hypocritical fascists with an agenda as based in fascism as any despot. They may not want everyone rounded up and shot, but they are fine with having them put down and forced into line, at the point of a gun if necessary.

[KeithKSR]

Liberals by and large are exceedingly intolerant.

[CitizenBBN]

OK, the world is ending. NASCAR wants to ban the battle flag? Where the F do they think they came from? That's like me not wanting to be seen with my own mother.

[UKHistory]

That is wild to think Nascar would ban the flag. I didn't realize not selling Dukes of Harard stuff would stop at Amazon.

Three things:
1) Whether that flag flies or not, that mentally sick person would have killed those folks. It is not easy to find a Rhodesian flag or a South African flag--he did. He didn't wear a Confederat flag when he killed those innocent people.
2) It means different things to different people. I see heritage. Others see a legacy of oppression and hate. The Confederate States of America, had they gained their independence, would have established their national economy on the backs of human beings used and abused as slave labor. That is morally wrong. It needed to end. And had the South gained its independence, America and the world would have been a worse place.
3) Maybe I am wrong but I see the flag issue as a statement of how powerful the gun lobby and the AMA is. Killing folks in a church after Sandy Hook and other issues tears at the heart strings. But to change the conversation from mental health problems (which is the root of this tragedy) or racism (which is a part of it) or the question of gun control over a flag's symbolism is quite interesting.

The battle flag is the sacrificial lamb. Forget getting people the right mental health care or debating guns, just tear down symbols and all will be right in the universe.

[Doc]

I think many people find the burning of the American flag offensive. I know I do but I've never suggested the banning of it. I understand the idea that the confederate flag shouldn't be flown over the state capital of SC. To me that makes sense. I'd object to a Muslim flag over a state capital or a Jewish flag etc.... however banning it from NASCAR or Amazon??? I find the Muslim flag offensive. The fact they decapitate Christians is offensive, and their treatment of women is as well, and lets not even talk about their treatment of Jews. Yet I can buy a HUMAS flag (http://www.amazon.com/HAMAS-FLAG-Palestine-banner-Green/dp/B00I17QW24/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435612862&sr=8-1&keywords=muslim+flag) or a NATION OF ISLAM (http://www.amazon.com/Nation-Islam-Novelty-Polyester-Flag/dp/B000EOJF26/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1435612862&sr=8-8&keywords=muslim+flag) on Amazon.

Of course you can also buy this flag on Amazon. I know some find it offensive!

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41RWWKJJ8GL.jpg

[KeithKSR]

2) It means different things to different people. I see heritage. Others see a legacy of oppression and hate. The Confederate States of America, had they gained their independence, would have established their national economy on the backs of human beings used and abused as slave labor. That is morally wrong. It needed to end. And had the South gained its independence, America and the world would have been a worse place.

The removal of the battle flag from public view represents something far different to me. It represents the quashing of First Amendment rights, and I am appalled by the ease at which people have rolled over and allowed the rights of free expression to be alienated.

[Doc]

The removal of the battle flag from public view represents something far different to me. It represents the quashing of First Amendment rights, and I am appalled by the ease at which people have rolled over and allowed the rights of free expression to be alienated.

I agree 100%. Seems one group of people have told another group of people what they can and can not do (or what they can express). IMO its no different than somebody prohibiting a group from burning the American Flag. I disagree with flag burning but its their right to do it. I've always supported their right to do it. Now we have established that a group has the right to squash another groups right to express their beliefs because it hurts their feelings! IMO that is a sad road we have gone down

[KSRBEvans]

TV Land pulls Dukes of Hazard reruns:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/01/tv-land-pulls-reruns-dukes-hazzard/

[bigsky]

No more Amos 'n Andy reruns, either...

[dan_bgblue]

Wonder how long before they pull this from the online version of the encyclopedia?

http://www.britannica.com/search?query=confederate%20battle%20flag

[Darrell KSR]

Can they just remove the car, and leave Catherine Bach in her Daisy Dukes? Or her bikini?


http://vignette1.wikia.nocookie.net/dukes-of-hazzard/images/c/c9/Daisy_Duke_in_episode_.png/revision/latest?cb=20140310003918

TV Land pulls Dukes of Hazard reruns:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/01/tv-land-pulls-reruns-dukes-hazzard/

[CitizenBBN]

TV Land pulls Dukes of Hazard reruns:

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/2015/07/01/tv-land-pulls-reruns-dukes-hazzard/

So therefore?

If she ways the same as a duck, then... she's a witch!

Burn her! burn! burn!

[KSRBEvans]

Just sayin':

http://www.kentucky.com/2015/06/29/3923906_like-confederate-flags-and-statues.html?rh=1

[Darrell KSR]

Birmingham caves to political correctness, votes to remove Confederate monument from park



http://yellowhammernews.com/faithandculture/birmingham-caves-votes-to-remove-confederate-monument-from-park/?utm_source=MadMimi&utm_medium=email&utm_content=Alabama+city+leaders+vote+to+remove+Co nfederate+memorial&utm_campaign=20150701_m126415534_Wednesday%2C+July +1st%2C+2015+Afternoon&utm_term=Read+more___

[Edward100]

Can anyone explain why one group’s heritage is more valuable than others heritage? We have people who go to great lengths to tear another apart. The Rebel Flag is as much a heritage for the people of the south as the Stars and Stripes is for America. Having to take down a monument that honored someone or something is asinine. So is trashing the Rebel Flag. Irish-American, German-American, Italian-American, and others have their heritage, and flags. We have celebrations all over the country every year that include these different heritages. What’s next, do we do away with all heritages?

[CatinIL]

Yeah, I had to throw out my Jonny Rebel thong

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/61JLrs%2B-VyL._UL1500_.jpg

I was scrolling down this thread not looking at the names of the poster on the left and came upon this and said, "That's gotta be from Doc..." Yep! :sign0141:

Here in StL there's a move to remove a confederate monument that's in Forest Park...I'm sure the politicians will cave in and remove it.

[Doc]

Well as long as the liberals are touting this as something the conservatives are being "Pro-confederate flag", I figured I'd post this

http://www.cristyli.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Clinton-Gore-1992.jpg

http://3hvfzc2w6u7kruih321x50k11vq.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/ebay.jpg

http://i2.wp.com/www.bb4sp.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/hillary-alabama-pin.jpg

http://www.cristyli.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/Hillary-Clinton-Campaign-Button.jpg

because we all know that only the right redneck racist would ever embrace the confederate flag

[Doc]

But one thing we do know is that Hillary is true blue all American even down to her skivies

http://api.ning.com/files/dIvj8Y3G1kpyfO07U7XTe9NH5VrxIVXHpMZTtdzvySKP7AgBTn 789LAR9xuCVmVyCj3cn7QIsCckXPieX8ea8R13-G-T6SFn/cankles2012.jpg

After seeing that, YOU CAN GUARANTEE IT WILL NEVER BE IN FAVOR OF REMOVING THE AMERICAN FLAG!!!

[dan_bgblue]

https://sarahleelopez4377.files.wordpress.com/2014/04/oh-my-eyes_zps861989b5.jpg

[dan_bgblue]

NASCAR asking fans to not display confederate flag at the tracks, and eying means to ban the flag from the tracks (http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2015/07/02/nascar-tracks-unite-ask-fans-not-to-fly-confederate-flag/?intcmp=latestnews)

[CitizenBBN]

I wish someone could explain this phenomenon to me. I get it if I live on the frontier of the planet in Massachusetts in the 1600s when bleeding with leeches is considered sound reasoning, but I'm at a loss to explain this kind of mass hysteria in the modern era without wondering if General Ripper was right about fluoridation.

[jazyd]

I wish someone could explain this phenomenon to me. I get it if I live on the frontier of the planet in Massachusetts in the 1600s when bleeding with leeches is considered sound reasoning, but I'm at a loss to explain this kind of mass hysteria in the modern era without wondering if General Ripper was right about fluoridation.

Easy. Liberals voice their displeasure very loudly. Conservatives sit back and take it. And many with power have no backbone

[KSRBEvans]

Disney removes Confederate flag from American Adventure pavilion in Epcot:

http://www.wdwinfo.com/news/epcot-removes-confederate-flag-from-the-american-adventure-attraction/

This one's especially odd since part of the film deals with a family split by the Civil War as brothers fight on different sides. Will they also pixillate the Confederate imagery in that part of the film?

[dan_bgblue]

Will they also pixillate the Confederate imagery in that part of the film?

Not if it costs them more to edit the files than they think it will recover in sales.

[KSRBEvans]

^Afraid you're right. Disney has shown a recent willingness to degrade the guest experience to meet the bottom line (see, e.g., the abomination that is FastPass+). But they're really no different than any of the other agencies and businesses caught up in this hysteria. They'll buckle to pressure, be it economic or political.

[Darrell KSR]

^Afraid you're right. Disney has shown a recent willingness to degrade the guest experience to meet the bottom line (see, e.g., the abomination that is FastPass+). But they're really no different than any of the other agencies and businesses caught up in this hysteria. They'll buckle to pressure, be it economic or political.

We couldn't make Disney work this summer, but still interested, maybe for the Fall. What is so bad about the new fast pass plus? (Sorry for the hijack).

[KSRBEvans]

D, I could go on and on about it, but my main issues are:

--you can only get 3 (you can get a 4th after your using your 3, but by that time in the day there are rarely FPs available for the good attractions);

--you can't get multiples for an attraction (e.g., you can't 1 for Splash Mountain and 2 for Space Mountain);

--Epcot and Hollywood Studios have "tiering," which means you can only pick 1 from Tier A and 2 from Tier B. Their most popular attractions are in Tier A, so you can only get a FP for 1. For example, at Epcot Soarin and Test Track are both Tier A, so you're not getting FPs for both.

--They have software and an RFID chip on your ticket or wristband to book your FP ahead of time and enter at the attraction. It's a positive that you can book ahead of time, but the system is very glitchy. It can cause any number of problems, such as "misplacing" your FPs or getting the "Blue Mickey of Death" when you try to check in at the attraction, which is like getting a Blue Screen of Death on your computer. Doesn't happen very often, but when it does it really creates a hassle.

People seem to really like it or really hate it. The ones who love it like being able to book their FPs ahead of time and not having to be in the parks to do it. But I'm in the latter category. I had the old FP system down cold and could really maximize our usage, getting to do more things as a result. We find we do less with the new system, but we're still paying more. Funny how that works....

[Darrell KSR]

Thanks, that's a good description.

[Doc]

Actually I like their fast pass method. Far better than the other places where they sell my spot in line. You buy (Disney everybody is given the FP option) a fast pass and can cut to the front time and time again. Now they have limits but initially it was ridiculous. I'd fork out $1300 each for an annual pass and have to stand in line for 3 hours to ride once unless I threw down another 60 bucks each time we went. The way I see it, they are selling my spot in line and I'm getting no compensation. They are allowing people to cut in line, something that will get people thrown out of the park for doing, if the pay the park

[CitizenBBN]

Disney removing that flag makes no sense. It's an historical fact on display as a point in history that we cannot change.

Were I someone who felt strong dislike of that image for those historical reasons, I'd want it to stay up rather than have us try to edit out that piece of history and forget it happened.

[dan_bgblue]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/14/living/feat-stone-mountain-georgia-naacp-confederate-symbol/index.html

[Doc]

http://www.cnn.com/2015/07/14/living/feat-stone-mountain-georgia-naacp-confederate-symbol/index.html

Total shocker. I would have never seen that coming (DWS). I understand the removal from a state capital. IMO the people of SC were idiots for putting it there. Had they not done that none of this would be happening. Now the barn door is open and the horses are out, don't look for this to stop any time soon.

[KeithKSR]

Total shocker. I would have never seen that coming (DWS). I understand the removal from a state capital. IMO the people of SC were idiots for putting it there. Had they not done that none of this would be happening. Now the barn door is open and the horses are out, don't look for this to stop any time soon.

Any reason to cause racial tension is being exploited and manipulated.

[dan_bgblue]

New Orleans (http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/09/05/pandora-box-new-orleans-prof-says-confederate-purge-would-target-andrew-jackson/?intcmp=hplnws)

[KSRBEvans]

Thought of this thread when I saw this article:

New Orleans Begins Removing Confederate Monuments, Under Police Guard (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/us/new-orleans-confederate-statue.html?_r=0)


New Orleans on Monday began removing four monuments dedicated to the era of the Confederacy and its aftermath, capping a prolonged battle about the future of the memorials, which critics deemed symbols of racism and intolerance and which supporters viewed as historically important.

Workers dismantled an obelisk, which was erected in 1891 to honor members of the “Crescent City White League” who in 1874 fought in the Reconstruction-era Battle of Liberty Place against the racially integrated New Orleans police and state militia, Mayor Mitch Landrieu said in a statement.

The monument, which was sometimes used as a rallying point by David Duke and the Ku Klux Klan, has stirred debate for decades. Local leaders unsuccessfully tried to remove it in 1981 and 1993.

The workers were dressed in flak jackets, helmets and scarves to conceal their identities because of concerns about their safety, The Associated Press reported. Police officers watched from a nearby hotel.

Pieces of the monument were put on a truck and hauled away.

Other monuments expected to be removed include a bronze statue of Gen. Robert E. Lee in a traffic circle, named Lee Circle, in the city’s central business district since 1884; an equestrian statue of P.G.T. Beauregard, a Confederate general, and one of Jefferson Davis, the president of the Confederacy.

[Doc]

Thought of this thread when I saw this article:

New Orleans Begins Removing Confederate Monuments, Under Police Guard (https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/24/us/new-orleans-confederate-statue.html?_r=0)

I'm fine with the removal of the first one. To me that wasn't a part of "American history", however General Lee, Beauregard and Davis are all important people in American history

[Darrell KSR]

I'm fine with the removal of the first one. To me that wasn't a part of "American history", however General Lee, Beauregard and Davis are all important people in American history

I guess I lean toward Doc's position. I can see both sides of all of this, so it frustrates me that I don't have a clear moral compass guiding me one way or the other.

[badrose]

Just an FYI, you can go to blu-ray.com and get GWTW in its original form.

[CitizenBBN]

I guess I lean toward Doc's position. I can see both sides of all of this, so it frustrates me that I don't have a clear moral compass guiding me one way or the other.

I'm a little worried the Earth is ending b/c we all seem in agreement.

The first one I can see as being seen as supporting a particularly racist cause so I can see it coming down, but taking down statues of anything tied to the Confederacy and Louisiana's membership in it is just trying to erase history.

That is very disconcerting to me. It is the doom of men that they forget the lessons of history. It would seem to me that the surest way to insure a future round of racism is to try to get everyone to forget what racism looks like.

Our history is what it is, good and bad, and there has been good and bad in all of it and the history of everyone and everything. Leftists want to see it as all bad, and commit the same mistakes as we saw in the mid 20th Century educational films when everything in America was perfect and had always been perfect.

IMO that's part of how we see the current "identity politics" movement that is nothing but early 20th century racism made to sound all new and wonderful b/c it's not being proposed by old white men, but the positions are the same. If people actually knew about the Dixiecrats and Brown v Board of Education they might see it, but since the SCOTUS doesn't have many followers on their @LandMarkCourtDecisions twitter handle very few seem to see the parallels. lol

[KSRBEvans]

BTTT

This is probably going to start again. See the UK fresco story (http://www.kysportsreport.com/forums/showthread.php?56040-University-of-Kentucky-Removing-Racist-Mural-Painted-in-1934), for example.

[blueboss]

As I understand it, statues and symbols of the confederacy are being taken down and banished because it serves as reminders of the civil war, and slavery for which the war was fought for.

Based on that thinking shouldn’t all of the civil war reminders be taken down and banished, so as not to promote bad feelings? The union soldier memorials should be removed as well. The American Indians were literally wiped out by genocide which was carried out buy the union army. Grants tomb must be extremely offensive to the indigenous people of this country, just as the mascot names in sport are.


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[KSRBEvans]

Gone With The Wind Removed From HBO Max; Will Return With 'Historical Context' (https://ew.com/movies/gone-with-the-wind-hbo-max-removed/)

[dan_bgblue]

Amazon/Ebay/Walmart no longer selling items with Confederate symbols on them.

The Dukes of Hazard's General Lee no longer for sale since it has a Confederate symbol on it.

Apparently Apple pulls all Civil War games with Confederate imagery in them:

https://mobile.twitter.com/allahpundit/status/614121283794513920?p=v

Who wants to bet GWTW (either in print or on film) won't go at some point? I won't.

Very prescient of you.

[Doc]

No kidding...I just went to Amazon kindle books and can (note- can, not did) download Mein Kampf. That would be the book by Adolph Hitler, the guy who wanted to wipe out the Jewish race, started a world war to attempt to achieve it, and successful exterminated over 6 million Jews.

[Doc]

Note...GWTW is available, cost 0.65. Hitlers is $11.00

[KSRBEvans]

Note...GWTW is available, cost 0.65. Hitlers is $11.00

If you want to make sure you can keep it forever, get the physical book (or disc if you're talking about the movie). Amazon has shown in the past that the Kindle book they give, they can also take away.

Amazon Erases Orwell Books From Kindle (https://www.nytimes.com/2009/07/18/technology/companies/18amazon.html)

[CitizenBBN]

The physical will work for now. At least until the fire department hears about it and comes and burns you out. Just watch your telescreen and obey like a good citizen.

And if you don't think that's coming, I have bad news for you. Its just a matter of time now.

[dan_bgblue]

I think I would be within my rights to shoot an arsonist that was trying to burn down my home. That law may be changed and I would feel awfully bad about tapping a fireman, but he should feel bad enough beforehand to not strike the match.

[Doc]

I think I would be within my rights to shoot an arsonist that was trying to burn down my home. That law may be changed and I would feel awfully bad about tapping a fireman, but he should feel bad enough beforehand to not strike the match.

Not if they were black, or female, or gay, or overwt, or handicapped (I forgot the "correct" term"---sorry, physically challenged), or anything not white male. Then it would be a hate crime


For clarity-that is a comment on "hate crimes" because I don't understand why a hate crime is worse. I mean if you kill somebody to steal their money its bad but not as bad as killing them because they are gay. Either way the person is dead so why is one worse? Dead is dead

[Doc]

Other movies headed to the chopping block

1) Shawshank Redemption which depicts a black man as a crimminal
2) Blazzin Saddles-yikes
3) Soul Man- OK, this one deserves it. Nothing like an entire movie based on blackface
4) Bustin Loose
5) And the Band Played On-at the 1:58:00 mark, Dr Francis (M. Modine) enters a cafe which has a Confederate flag on the wall (watched this tonight and am so offended I wont sleep tonight)

[KSRBEvans]

Disney is bending the knee, retheming Splash Mountain to a Princess And The Frog attraction:

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2020/06/new-adventures-with-princess-tiana-coming-to-disneyland-park-and-magic-kingdom-park/

Anxiously awaiting Disney removing from The Hall of Presidents those former Presidents deemed to be problematic.

[Doc]

Disney is bending the knee, retheming Splash Mountain to a Princess And The Frog attraction:

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2020/06/new-adventures-with-princess-tiana-coming-to-disneyland-park-and-magic-kingdom-park/

Anxiously awaiting Disney removing from The Hall of Presidents those former Presidents deemed to be problematic.

I was thinking about that last night. Other Disney rides and movies under the microscope?? I can say a bunch of their films play into racial stereotypes. Aladdin and Mulan are two. And Pochohantus, although expect Liz Warren to battle for that one. Song of the South, which Splash Mountain is based on, is pretty much a racial blueprint. And what is up with those "Indians" in Peter Pan?

Apparently this was an issue PRIOR to the current climate (LINK (https://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory/disney-adds-disclaimer-racist-stereotypes-67020530)). DUmbo learns to fly with the help of "JIM CROW".

This one is pretty good too (https://www.insider.com/moments-themes-in-disney-movies-that-havent-aged-well-problematic#many-people-view-disney-villains-as-queer-coded-enforcing-negative-homophobic-tropes-17).

[dan_bgblue]

If the "it happened before all this racism stuff came to a head" should work about all the statues hitting the pavement. Hell none of them have been created in 100 years.

[KSRBEvans]

Interesting developments with Puffin bowdlerizing Roald Dahl's works, and now the Ian Fleming/James Bond novels:

https://twitter.com/pmarca/status/1630011044256006145

[CitizenBBN]

Big Brother is watching, be careful. The Ministry of Truth is just making some "adjustments". Oceania has always been at war with East Asia.

[CitizenBBN]

Disney is bending the knee, retheming Splash Mountain to a Princess And The Frog attraction:

https://disneyparks.disney.go.com/blog/2020/06/new-adventures-with-princess-tiana-coming-to-disneyland-park-and-magic-kingdom-park/

Anxiously awaiting Disney removing from The Hall of Presidents those former Presidents deemed to be problematic.

FWIW I don't have time to google but apparently they are doing just that, tweaking the Presidents to suit a "modern agenda".

Apparently "progressive" is an English translation from the Chinese for "cultural revolution".

[suncat05]

Gone With The Wind was on Turner Classic Movies, either Saturday night or Sunday night.
I set the DVR to record it.
Great movie, one of the best classics of all time.