I hate Daylight Savings Time

[KSRBEvans]

...or more specifically, I hate moving clocks back and forth. Everybody walks around sleep-deprived and a little out of sync for a few days. It's unsafe: Accidents increase the Monday after DST (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/262017/daylight-saving-time-still-bad-idea-john-j-miller).

All this to get another hour of sunlight in the summer? We can do that without moving the clocks back and forth. Now that we've "sprung forward," let's just not "fall back"--make this our permanent time zone in the US, but do away with moving the clocks around.

Who's with me? Government, get your hands off my alarm clock!

[dan_bgblue]

+1,000,000,000,000................................ ..........

[Darrell KSR]

One more in agreement.

[KSRBEvans]

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[Doc]

My alarm went off this morning and it was still dark!

[Darrell KSR]

We had one of my son's friends spending the night with us one year where "spring forward" took place. We had arranged to meet the parents and return their son to them at church. We went to church, and when church ended, they were nowhere to be found.

This was before the days of widespread cell phone usage, and we called them at home--no answer. We finally took him back home, and called them at home. Turned out, they missed the "spring forward" time, and were getting ready to go to church an hour late.

One of the parents is a neuroscientist; the other an academic egg-head. Not sure either of them could tell time.

[dan_bgblue]

Just imagine the effort clock makers and repair shops have to put forth to reset all the non digital smart clocks in their shops twice a year. I have been in clock shops that have hundreds of manual wind up clocks in inventory

[bigsky]

I like it. I really like those long afternoons.

[Darrell KSR]

I like it. I really like those long afternoons.

I like long afternoons, too. But I hate Daylight saving time.

Just keep it where it is now. Why cut it in the Fall?

[CitizenBBN]

I'm fine as long as we keep it where it is now, but in general I have to say I like it. I really don't want to give up DST b/c of summer evenings, but if we leave it like it is it's dark till way late in the morning. Given a choice I Prefer that, but I know not everyone likes that part, so I'm good with the current compromise.

[Crazy4Blue]

I agree. I'm still out of synch.

[bigsky]

Days get much longer/shorter up here than down south, and I like the adjustment

[dan_bgblue]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2015/03/21/sun-setting-on-daylight-saving-time-states-consider-alternative-to-clock/?intcmp=latestnews

[CitizenBBN]

B/c of the hassle of changing clocks twice a year? Man, what a first world problem.

It does have an interesting history, and has involved some heavy lobbying over the decades. It's been extended now to the point that daylight savings, which was the innovation, is now the norm more than the 'regular' time. If we're going to do anything just keep DST, but the problem is we'll all be driving to work, and kids will be waiting for buses, in the dark for 4 months, even more than now.

That's the real reason for it all. Personally I'd rather stay closer to actual daylight with our clocks, and the only way to do that is to shift them as the earth wobbles.

[KSRBEvans]

Re-upping in recognition of the coming collective sleep deprivation....

:sAng_soapbox:

[badrose]

I don't mind it at all. Like CBBN, if one stays permanent, I'll take DST.

[KSRBEvans]

^Yes, that's my solution, too. Spring forward once and stay there. I keep trying to figure out who would be against this. :533:

[bigsky]

I don't mind it at all. Like CBBN, if one stays permanent, I'll take DST. X2

[CitizenBBN]

^Yes, that's my solution, too. Spring forward once and stay there. I keep trying to figure out who would be against this. :533:

Believe it or not the biggest lobby for going back in fall/winter traditionally has been rural groups. The problem is the sun doesn't come up very early at all if you don't fall back so kids waiting for buses and guys going out to farm are doing it in the dark a lot longer and more often.

I think that group has softened on it over time, but the politics of it have been a pull between those who want the sun up earlier in the day and those who want it to be sunny later in the day.

The last time there was a fight over the timing of it the candy industry lobbied hard to keep the date from falling back till after Halloween, to allow for more trick or treating.

We actually studied this in a class taught by Murray Weidenbaum, who was chair of Reagan's first Council of Economic Advisors. Brilliant man, the class was in the study of political interaction with economics, so we studied how politics and lobbying for economic interests really works in Washington.

This one was picked b/c it's a great example of how there is NOTHING in Washington that isn't lobbied and political, with special interests finding ways to argue over it. After finding out people were spending money wining and dining Senators over literally the determination of the time of day I became a cynic on all things decided by government.

[Catfan73]

I don't mind the change, I just hate changing the batteries in the smoke detectors.

[KeithKSR]

I like the change to dst, but don't like the fall change and the loss of an hour of daylight in the evenings. If I was to choose one it would be dst.

[KentuckyWildcat]

If I was going to change, I would fall back early Dec and spring forward mid Feb.

Otherwise spring forward and leave it.

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[dan_bgblue]

I am going to be cranky Monday morning and probably for the next 3 or 4 mornings as well. Let the sun tell the time and quit mucking about with it twice a year

[KSRBEvans]

Re-upping, ahead of the heinous leap forward.

BTW, Florida just passed a law to stay permanently in DST, my preferred solution. Would love to see this nationwide.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/03/07/us/florida-year-round-daylight-saving-time-trnd/index.html

[CitizenBBN]

I find the level of controversy over it interesting. When you talk to folks though I discover that while they all want it to not change, they're split on which time they want to keep.

But this is one area where IMO it needs to be federal, and that's that. Standard time was created by the railroads b/c every locality set their own times, and it was a mess.

There's no constitutional power for such a thing, so we'd all just have to agree to stick together on this, so it won't happen, but time needs to be standardized for whatever we pick.

[Darrell KSR]

Just pick one. I hate the changes!

[blueboss]

I am going to be cranky Monday morning and probably for the next 3 or 4 mornings as well. Let the sun tell the time and quit mucking about with it twice a year

There it is! Let the sun tell the time.

I heard a FL law maker said doing away with it in the state would be good for tourism because tourist could enjoy the sun longer.

Did I miss something? Does the earths rotation speed up between March and October? When I’m in FL I hit the beach at sun up, don’t really pay any attention to what time it is.






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[KeithKSR]

I'd prefer DST year round, I prefer the light at the end of the day.

[Catfan73]

I woke up at 5:30 (usually 5:00) but my phone said it was 6:30. That’s about the extent of the effect the change has on me.

[blueboss]

I woke up at 5:30 (usually 5:00) but my phone said it was 6:30. That’s about the extent of the effect the change has on me.

Ditto, my seven year old grandson didn’t get the DST memo. He woke me up at 7:30 and the clock said 8:30... time to play.


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[Darrell KSR]

Yeah, I just got up whenever. I don't go to church early Sunday morning, so having it on Sunday is a great start to me, as I can more or less sleep to when I want anyway.

Still don't like it.

[CitizenBBN]

Like the weather. Everyone complains about it, no one does anything. lol.

To me it makes sense. The Earth wobbles, so we get seasons and longer and shorter days. Makes sense we'd try to map to that some.

[blueboss]

DST becomes a hot topic for a couple of weeks a year, then everyone acclimates and then forgets about it.


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[Catfan73]

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[KeithKSR]

I am a big fan of DST, I like having the daylight extend longer in the evenings. I don't mind going to work in the dark, I hate coming home and it is nearly dark.

[Darrell KSR]

In 2012, the University of Alabama at Birmingham conducted a study that connected daylight saving time with a 10% increase in heart attack risk during the Monday and Tuesday after moving clocks forward in the spring.

Alabama currently has a proposed Bill to eliminate it. I think Florida just passed one.

[bigsky]

I like the extra evening hours. Just go on dst forever.

[jazyd]

I like the extra evening hours. Just go on dst forever.

I could handle it, get to do yard work after work so I can play golf on Sunday afternoon

[CitizenBBN]

If we're going to pick one, pick DST. But given that the planet wobbles it seems to only make sense we'd adjust our measurement of time to line up with that wobble.

[KSRBEvans]

Here we go again...time to be sleep-deprived, cranky and at increased risk of accidents and heart issues.

The EU has the right idea--they're voting on scrapping mandatory DST:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/eu-daylight-savings-scrap-europe-summer-time-uk-rules-a8812646.html

My solution; spring forward, never fall back.

[bigsky]

Will give me an extra hour to shovel snow in the afternoon. For February BOZEMAN had 5.5 times the normal snowfall. it has snowed every day in March. One night last week the temp was -23. The shoveled snow on the side of my driveway is 5 feet tall, in March. Global warming has failed me.

[dan_bgblue]

The rain we got here in Jan and Feb if converted to snow equaled 12.5 feet. No one here has the equipment to handle that much snow so I am dang glad it was just warm enough to not snow

[CitizenBBN]

The rain we got here in Jan and Feb if converted to snow equaled 12.5 feet. No one here has the equipment to handle that much snow so I am dang glad it was just warm enough to not snow

lol, yeah the state would look like the zombie apocalypse with that much snow in 2 months.

[CitizenBBN]

Goodbye hour. See you in the fall.

[CitizenBBN]

Testing date/time stamp on site.

[MickintheHam]

...or more specifically, I hate moving clocks back and forth. Everybody walks around sleep-deprived and a little out of sync for a few days. It's unsafe: Accidents increase the Monday after DST (http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/262017/daylight-saving-time-still-bad-idea-john-j-miller).

All this to get another hour of sunlight in the summer? We can do that without moving the clocks back and forth. Now that we've "sprung forward," let's just not "fall back"--make this our permanent time zone in the US, but do away with moving the clocks around.

Who's with me? Government, get your hands off my alarm clock!

SAVING

[KSRBEvans]

Trump gets it:


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Making Daylight Saving Time permanent is O.K. with me!

10:17 AM - 11 Mar 2019


https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1105110383227035654

[Catfan73]

Thought I was okay since I didn’t have to get up early yesterday but couldn’t get to sleep last night until late according to the clock but still had to get up at 5 am :/ Kind of in a fog today.

[KSRBEvans]

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[CitizenBBN]

BEvans I think Trump is trying to woo you. He knows your weakness. :)

[KentuckyWildcat]

Give me the daylight when I get home!

[Darrell KSR]

@thehill: JUST IN: Washington state Senate passes bill to make daylight saving time permanent http://hill.cm/MYrZlsz https://twitter.com/thehill/status/1106286388633395202/photo/1

[KSRBEvans]

Your annual reminder that we're getting ready to do something nonsensical, unsafe and unhealthy.

C'mon, President Trump, make permanent DST happen! He hasn't done it yet! Sad! :D

Have a nice weekend (until you lose your hour of sleep, then maybe get a nap).

[dan_bgblue]

:mad0049::sAng_soapbox::mixed-smiley-030::mad0176::banghead::mad0176::fing03:

[CitizenBBN]

This is the change I want to have happen. Stays lighter later that way.

The problem is the other half of people who want to end the switch want to stay on the time I don't prefer. I think those people may be Communist infiltrators. Or UL fans.

[KSRBEvans]

EU to abolish practice next year?

The practice, which is currently regulated across the European Union, has grown increasingly unpopular over the years. Critics say switching clocks disrupts biorhythms in humans and livestock alike, leading to health problems.

In 2018, an EU poll indicated overwhelming support for ending daylight saving time altogether. A year later, the European Parliament voted to abolish it by 2021.

The decision left it up to EU member states to decide whether to stick to the twice-yearly change, but there is no uniform position on whether the bloc should adopt summer or winter time. With 2021 just around the corner, no concrete plans on how to implement the EU's decision have been made since last year's vote.

Will Sunday be the last time Europeans turn back the clocks? Only time will tell.

https://www.dw.com/en/europeans-turn-back-clocks-for-daylight-saving-perhaps-for-last-time/a-55389492

[dan_bgblue]

If the EU supports this idea, it can not be a good one

[CitizenBBN]

I get that people don't like changing it, though I find it a completely minor event myself.

But I do think the reason for DST hasn't changed, which is that the planet shifts and if we stay with one time we will either be very dark early part of the year or dark pretty early at night the other part. So if we dont' change then people waking up early are in total in winter, or our summers get dark earlier.

The idea that it's "unhealthy" to conform more to the natural rotation of the planet around the sun is to me silly. The idea it impacts livestock is really silly. Artificial time is a construct. NOrmally in non-industrial society people would naturally shift to the pattern. Now maybe doing it all at once in one night has some short term impact in some way, but it seems to mostly be people don't like it.

I am curious if the vast majority just want it light longer in winter or they want it light longer in the morning. The political arguments over when to make the change are based in exactly that, with farmers wanting more light in the morning thus wanting to shift out of DST sooner, and actually candy companies being the major lobby wanting it to wait until after Halloween to provide more time for trick or treat.

[KSRBEvans]

This guy has been leading the "charge" (more like shuffle) against DST for years:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2005/04/unhappy-hour-john-j-miller/

Shifting back and forth doesn't save energy, it doesn't help agriculture, and there are more traffic accidents and fatal industrial accidents on the Monday after DST. We've gone long periods of time before (WWII and the 70s) in permanent DST. Somehow the Republic survived.

I like permanent DST--it gives us the longer summer evenings. Yes, it means it's dark longer in the mornings in winter. It's dark in the morning in winter, anyway, and it's winter, so I'm prepared to be miserable.

But even if we went with permanent Standard Time: fine. Just pick one, already.

[KentuckyWildcat]

I get that people don't like changing it, though I find it a completely minor event myself.

Before kids, we would take a long weekend trip to the beach that weekend. Worked out well, we never knew it happened.

[CitizenBBN]

This guy has been leading the "charge" (more like shuffle) against DST for years:

https://www.nationalreview.com/2005/04/unhappy-hour-john-j-miller/

Shifting back and forth doesn't save energy, it doesn't help agriculture, and there are more traffic accidents and fatal industrial accidents on the Monday after DST. We've gone long periods of time before (WWII and the 70s) in permanent DST. Somehow the Republic survived.

I like permanent DST--it gives us the longer summer evenings. Yes, it means it's dark longer in the mornings in winter. It's dark in the morning in winter, anyway, and it's winter, so I'm prepared to be miserable.

But even if we went with permanent Standard Time: fine. Just pick one, already.

You already root for snow in the winter, now you want Alaska darkness too? You must have one heck of a Vitamin D lamp. ;)

If we went with just one I'd want longer days and darker mornings myself.

My complaint is winter, regardless of how we score it on a clock. Days are just too short, but nothing we can do about it.

[KSRBEvans]

For 3 years I lived in Puerto Rico, which was on year-round Atlantic Time. So for half the year we were 1 hour ahead of ET and half the year were the same time. It was weird, but we didn't have the body clock issues.

[KeithKSR]

You already root for snow in the winter, now you want Alaska darkness too? You must have one heck of a Vitamin D lamp. ;)

If we went with just one I'd want longer days and darker mornings myself.

My complaint is winter, regardless of how we score it on a clock. Days are just too short, but nothing we can do about it.

I’m all for year round daylight savings time. I hate it getting dark so early in the evenings.

[KSRBEvans]

We're getting ready to repeat a mistake we make this time every year.

[Catfan73]

I was wondering when this thread would rear its ugly head lol

[blueboss]

Don’t we like it in the fall because we get an extra hour of sleep?


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[CitizenBBN]

I hate losing the hour of light at night, but I'm not in love with waking up in the dark either.

Can we just work with NASA to stop the wobble and leave the Northern Hemisphere in permanent tilt to the sun? That would seem to satisfy everyone.

[MickintheHam]

There's a solution to waking up in the dark. Roll over. I highly recommend it.

[bigsky]

It is more exaggerated in the north. I’d guess here above 45th parallel it’s likely 45 minutes different from Kentucky. But I like DST. If we were to lose it, I’d prefer to stay an hour ahead.

[CitizenBBN]

There's a solution to waking up in the dark. Roll over. I highly recommend it.

It works great on weekends when I don't have an auction. Not as good for getting step daughter to school however.

[blueboss]

Sunset tonight will be 5:37 est


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[bigsky]

Sunset tonight will be 5:37 est


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Sunrise today was 7:13. Sunset will be 5:02. Here somewhat above the 45th parallel.

[Catfan73]

I would prefer the fall back occurred on Sunday nights instead of Saturdays so I would get that extra hour on Monday morning. I don’t really need it on Sunday morning. They can keep the spring forward on Saturdays.

[KeithKSR]

How does one get this extra hour of sleep? I wake up and the clock says it is an hour earlier now.

[Darrell KSR]

How does one get this extra hour of sleep? I wake up and the clock says it is an hour earlier now.

Same. Somebody forgets to tell my body.

[KSRBEvans]

To give you an idea of what year-round time would look like, I'm taking Danville, KY (geographic center of KY):

Year-round Standard Time:

Longest day (June 21): Sunrise 5:16, Sunset 8:05
Shortest day (December 21): Sunrise 7:48, Sunset 5:25


Year round DST:

Longest day (June 21): Sunrise 6:16, Sunset 9:05
Shortest day (December 21): Sunrise 8:48, Sunset 6:25

[bigsky]

5:34am to 9:17pm june 20, 2022
8:01am to 4:42pm Dec. 20,2022

BozemanMT

[bigsky]

So sunrise at 9:01am here wth full time dst.

No

[CitizenBBN]

Switching time make the most sense. The planet wobbles. Humans trying to force a linear model on a planet that is not linear doesn't make much sense to me.

Until we started trying to keep track of "time" humans automatically adjusted their internal clocks to that wobble. Why would we ignore it now? it doesn't suit us as well biologically IMO.

[blueboss]

In the Smokey’s today 7:59am - 6:36pm


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[KSRBEvans]

So sunrise at 9:01am here wth full time dst.

No

I think this is the resistance to full-time DST.

[bigsky]

I think this is the resistance to full-time DST.

And at the summer solstice the sun would rise at 4:34am.

I like switchin.

[CitizenBBN]

And at the summer solstice the sun would rise at 4:34am.

I like switchin.

Me too. I really don't get the opposition to how we do it. It is much more in tune with the movement of the planet, and losing or gaining one hour once per year each seems a small price to keep our basic life schedule at least somewhat more in tune with the planet.

I get that it's dark really early in the winter, but that's not the fault of a clock. We just have less daylight at that point and if we stretch to keep more after work it means we're all going to work before the sun comes up. I don't care for that plan.

[dan_bgblue]

If it were not so nasty, bug infested, and hot, I would move to the equator and have a 12 and 12 hour light and dark experience.

About 25 or 30 years ago, my wife and I got a call one night in December about 7:00 one evening. Wife answered the phone and it was a call from her younger sister who was a nurse in the army at that time. She was stationed in Nome Alaska. After about a 10 minute conversation my wife motioned to me then handed me the phone and I spent the next 30 to 45 minutes talking her sister down off the ledge. She was absolutely having a nervous breakdown from all the 24 hour per day darkness and dealing with roaming polar bears in the blinding snow and darkness. We talked a few more times that winter before the sun reappeared and she put in for a transfer and wound up in Washington State. She said that was a bit better but it was cloudy and dreary a lot. She had gone into the service intending to make it a 20 year career, but at the end of 4 years she had had enough of the nomads life and got out and came home.

[KSRBEvans]

Here we go again....

I've almost come full circle on this. I used to be for permanent DST, then I didn't really care as long as it's permanent something. Now I think I'm for permanent standard time.

Regardless, I don't think anything's going to change anytime soon.

[blueboss]

Yep, it’s that time again, except now we have to payback the hour we got last fall.

I don’t care what they do with the time, for me it’s only inconvenient for a day or two.


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[KentuckyWildcat]

I'm ready for the daylight when I get home!

[blueboss]

Tonight’s the night, move’m up.


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[dan_bgblue]

[QUOTE=blueboss;816664]Tonight’s the night, move’m up.


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NO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The rest of the country will just have to adapt to MY time

[Darrell KSR]

Normally it's not a big deal to me. But I'm on Eastern Time for a few days, and I normally am on Central time in birmingham. Why that matters is because I am making airport runs to take my son in the morning at 8:00 a.m., which is really 7:00 a.m. Central time, which is really 6:00 a.m. the day before time because of it. That's bad enough, but my daughter's flight leaves Monday at 6:00 a.m. She will want to be at the airport at 4:30 a.m. I'm not going to even try to do the math on that one.

[KentuckyWildcat]

It is a wonderful day :)


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[bigsky]

Always happy to spring forward.

[blueboss]

Shoulder surgery has compromised my sleep schedule so much, the time change is basically going unnoticed.


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[dan_bgblue]

what freaking time is it?

[KentuckyWildcat]

My wife didn't know about the time change. She was pretty confused this morning. I am more tired today. But 1000% worth it to have some day light to get stuff done in the evenings.

[KSRBEvans]

I saw a long line (10+ cars) in a Starbucks drive through at 4 pm this afternoon. Maybe they were wondering why they needed a pick me up today, but I knew.

[Darrell KSR]

There were 15 people in line at a Dunkin Doughnuts in Cincinnati today, and a long line in drive thru at almost 12. Crazy.

[KentuckyWildcat]

Our kids did not have school today. Just a random planned day off. I wonder if it was to give kids time to adjust.

[Darrell KSR]

Exhausted today beyond belief. Daughter ordered an Uber, but I was worried they wouldn't show up, so I got up at 3:45 ET anyway. Which was 2:45 my time. Which was 1:45 2 days ago.

I stayed up til 6, caught an hour nap. We didn't get back til after midnight last night trying to cram in all the visiting we can, so sleep takes a backseat.

[suncat05]

I wish that we could stay in this time without all of the "spring forward, fall backward" nonsense. I prefer Daylight Savings Time personally.

[Catfan73]

I had to get up at 4:30 yesterday (formerly 3:30) to get out the door to the airport at 5:00. Went to bed last night at 10:30. I think that’s really why they call it March Madness.

[blueboss]

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[dan_bgblue]

Aw crap, that is a hoot.

[CitizenBBN]

Like it or not, until we fix this wobble in the spin of the planet it seems this time shift does the best job of matching the actual days we experience. Just me.

[dan_bgblue]

I found the cause of the wobble several years ago, and could have fixed the problem by moving the cause from the current location to one at sea just off the coast of Ireland, but the cause is not willing to be moved.

https://metro.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/09/pri_54377358.jpg?quality=90&strip=all&w=1200&h=630&crop=1

[KSRBEvans]

On Earth 2 they're not setting their clocks back tonight, because they never move their clocks forward.

[blueboss]

Sleep in.


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[Catfan73]

Tried to sleep in but woke up anyway. I might have gotten an extra 30 minutes in. It’s starting to get light out now, which is pretty cool, but I don’t like it much when it gets dark at 5:00 pm.

[blueboss]

The tab on the key broke in the lock of my Grandfather clock, I can’t open the door to adjust the time or pull the chains to wind it…so no turning back time just yet. This is going to drive me nuts for the next few days….Clock guy scheduled for Thursday.


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[Darrell KSR]

Today just seems… Weird. The timing has thrown me all off.

[BigBluePappy]

For us it has been an easy transition.
Spent the week in the central time zone and got used to the time difference. Headed north and home to the bluegrass yesterday, never reset my wife clock in the car, came in and set all of our clocks back an hour to match plus went out and set the old truck's clock to the "new" time. Went to bed and woke up at 5:00 AM on the dot...
Ready to get back at it tomorrow morning, but I sure will miss spending the days with my best friend...

[CitizenBBN]

I never feel it that I am really aware. Other than an extra hour of sleep then an hour less of sleep, but my sleep varies that much every night, usually far more.

I see stories now about how it's causing heart issues, lower productivity, you name it. For want of an hour?

I don't like that it gets dark so early, but i also don't like the last 3 weeks getting ready for work in the dark either. Neither feels "right" to me, but clearly what I don't like is not the artificial measurement of time we use, but the fact that winter just has less light.

I don't like winter. It's darker, drearier, colder. I think that may be a lot of the dislike of losing DST, b/c when you ask people it seems most want no time change, but then ask which one they want to keep and they seem pretty evenly split on the subject.

that tells me that more morning people want more morning light, more evening people want more evening light, but we all agree we just want more light, which we cannot change.

that's my .02 of the debate. For me the hour isn't a big deal, and falling on a weekend seems a good way to let it adjust without impacting work.

[blueboss]

For me, and my schedule, I’d rather have the extra hour of light in the evening. It doesn’t bother me getting up and getting ready for the day in the dark, by the time I’m out the door the sun is up. Of course, after the leaves get done falling I don’t have much to do outside in the evening anyway….

One good thing, prior to time change when I turn onto the street where I work,I am heading due east and at 8:30 the sun is blinding. Now the sun will be a little higher at 8:30 and isn’t quite as blinding.


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[dan_bgblue]

My tow behind leaf sucker is not a quiet implement and I have never tried running it in the dark, so I am sure the neighborhood is going to love it when I f1re it up at dawn to rid my lawn of leaves. It will be dark when I get home in the afternoon so I really have no choice unless I want to wait for the weekend to vacuum, and my luck runs to rain on the weekend.

[BigBluePappy]

Spent Sunday doing it by hand with a Leaf Blower and Vacuum combo. Beats having to hand rake them especially since we have only ornamental trees in our yard (2), but our neighbors have several large oak trees...

[blueboss]

I used the blower last year, this year I’m mulching.


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[KSRBEvans]

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[KentuckyWildcat]

I CAN'T WAIT!!!! :)

[blueboss]

Remember to go to bed early Saturday night so you don’t lose an hour of sleep…just in case go to bed early Sunday night too.


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[blueboss]

Good afternoon, my sleep deprived friends.


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[dan_bgblue]

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[CitizenBBN]

I"ve seen senators citing studies attributing billions in lost productivity from a one hour shift over the weekend, with that impact on Monday, and through the week.

Never has there been a more bull**** study in the history of bad science than those studies.

I'm sorry, but every American routinely does things on the weekend that take away more than one hour of sleep, to such a degree we even built it right into the culture and language with things like "it's a school night", etc.

If we are so fragile now that one hour on Saturday night costs us billions in Monday work effort, we need to reinstitute the draft or, IMO better yet, make every young person at the age of 16 go work 2 years on a farm. that will teach you how to power right on through those 6am milkings and 16 hour days trying to get a crop in before a hail storm.

I'm fine that people like or don't like it, though they seem pretty split on which one they prefer, and I don't like losing an hour of sleep, but it is the smallest blip of an issue in my world. I lose more than that almost every night to some project that goes late or some thing that is due the next day, and no way I'm alone.

Now colleges probably need to shut down for the week so the kids can recover, with free kitten distribution to their dorm rooms....

:)

[CitizenBBN]

I also know I may be the only person who actually likes the shift and thinks it makes sense.

The planet wobbles, thus our seasons. It makes perfect sense we would shift our clocks and keeping of time to try to better match the reality of the planet on which we live, trying to keep the middle of our day more in the middle of the day the Good Lord and the solar system has given us.

We can't change the wobble, and thus this makes sense to try to set our clocks to the same bodily rhythm we would naturally have with the planet, sans our artificial lighting.

IMO historically the best solution was to not have clocks, and more and more research is indicating that people in that time kept a much different schedule, with the day broken up into more active and rest periods rather than one long sleep period and the rest active. It's still not fully established, but it is a fascinating area of research IMO.

[blueboss]

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[bigsky]

You are not the only person citizen. Way too many people would not like sunrise to be at 9:30am on Christmas or 4:30am on June 25th but don’t think about it because we wisely adjust human time to the wobble of the earth. (Your phrase that I stole and use on all scoffers.) if time is relative, and a construct, the. Let’s
Construct it to be relative to human needs.

[CitizenBBN]

Thanks bigsky. I've been feeling really lonely defending this shift.

It actually makes perfect sense.

Here's an article from Vox that talks about how the shift causes issues b/c of the disruption of our circadian rhythms:

https://www.vox.com/even-better/23628917/daylight-saving-time-change-sleep-advice?utm_source=pocket-newtab-en-us


OK, I certainly accept that those rhythms are real, though they do vary by person somewhat so there isn't one impact here.

BUT, here's the thing: we are mostly still ruled by the clock, i.e. we don't change when we start or end work based on the season, but our circadian rhythms are NOT set to the clock but ARE set to the sun and the seasons.

So what happens when we don't shift in response to the movement of the planet is that our rhythms in either summer or winter will be well out of whack with the clocks that rule our lives, and will do so every day. Yes we adjust, but our NATURAL rhythms will be off as we are ignoring the sun and planet that really is what we are tuned to observe.

So if we make DST permanent what happens to our rhythms when we get up, get ready, commute and are at work before sunrise for several weeks a year, when we otherwise never do that? When we leave our kids at bus stops and they are at school and in class before sunrise in some areas?

I think what people really want is just more daylight, i.e. lock the planet in at the correct angle so it's always summer in our hemisphere. I'm all for it, but even the US Congress can't make that one happen.

I get that doing an hour all at once is a clear shift, but really? Are these people laid up for a week if they change ONE time zone?

It's a small shift, and one that is necessary to avoid having our internal clocks even more far off from the official clocks that govern our universe. It seems the best approach overall, bc changing it 10 minutes a week for 6 weeks would be way too confusing.

[BigBluePappy]

I am usually up at 4:30-5:00 am summer or winter, regardless of what time it is.
My alarm is set for 55:30 am and it never has a chance to go off.
Unless, I get an occasional bout of insomnia, then, all bets are off and I am meaner than a sore-tailed bear for the rest of the day...

Oh, and I love the extra hour of daylight to do yardwork when I get home. That is my therapy...

[KSRBEvans]

1 good thing about this: no matter when I go to sleep, I usually wake up at 5:30 am. With DST I'm now waking up at 6:30. It may take a few days before my body clock starts cheating me on sleep again.